"just have used Palms since my old PalmPilot Pro, but lost interest when they went to color without the proper CPU support to make it usable."
THAT WAS THE PALM IIIc!!
So, you "lost interest" with the Palm IIIc, and now you judge the current color PalmOS PDAs and smartphones based on your 6 years old Palm IIIc experience.
And you want me to believe your comment is not just coming from a WinMob lover?
You say: "This is wrong. I've written sourcecode in C# that used Gtk# and Mono. No behind-chasing, and pure open source."
Well, the fact that you *can* write sourcecode in C# that uses GTK doesn't exclude the fact that an app written for.Net, with MSFT tools, will often end up making use of Winforms and other code that the Mono camp has to reverse-engineer and "behind-chase" forever, since they don't have control of the API or platform.
That is what you're advocating for - and a Microsoft platform that you're indirectly promoting by perpetuating the myth that.Net is cross platform- by using Mono.
Period.
You can cry all you want and point fingers of blame at Java because your little Microsoft.net copycat platform doesn't get attention, but truth is, Java and Swing remains the best way to create cross-platform apps.
And soon with Apache's open source java VM builds, you'll no longer have an excuse to complain about.
Are you aware that Sun is allowing the Apache Software Foundation to create a 100% open source build of java that complies with the official Sun spec?.
This is the best of both worlds and gives those who want a "Free Software" VM their own VM, while allowing Sun to continue shaping the future of the platform according to outside comments (JCP - Java Community Process, a process where IBM, Nokia, Intel, etc. have a say), but preserving the right to prevent "pollution" of the platform like Microsoft attempted years ago with their windows-only win32 hooks in their Java implementation.
I think some slashdotters need to read The Inquirer more often...;-)
About Java based apps, the "Java is a failure on the desktop" is an old MYTH. Java has been getting really nice on the desktop lately, starting with J2SE 5.0 just at the time most systems above 1Ghz are now (finally!) the norm and at a time when 512MB ram is the average.
There's a lot of java based apps that I run on my linux AND windows desktop and whic I've learned to love:
https://mustang.dev.java.net/ "Sun is releasing weekly early access snapshots of the complete source, binaries and documentation for Java SE 6 ("Mustang"). These raw snapshot releases let you review and contribute to Mustang as it is being developed."
What part of "Source" don't you understand??
I rest my case.
Finally about Desktop apps and Swing. Swing is MUCH faster in Java 6.0 (aka 1.6.0), because a lot of stuff is maped to native windows and gnome widgets.
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"just have used Palms since my old PalmPilot Pro, but lost interest when they went to color without the proper CPU support to make it usable."
THAT WAS THE PALM IIIc!!
So, you "lost interest" with the Palm IIIc, and now you judge the current color PalmOS PDAs and smartphones based on your 6 years old Palm IIIc experience.
And you want me to believe your comment is not just coming from a WinMob lover?
Give me a break!.
You say: "This is wrong. I've written sourcecode in C# that used Gtk# and Mono. No behind-chasing, and pure open source." Well, the fact that you *can* write sourcecode in C# that uses GTK doesn't exclude the fact that an app written for .Net, with MSFT tools, will often end up making use of Winforms and other code that the Mono camp has to reverse-engineer and "behind-chase" forever, since they don't have control of the API or platform.
That is what you're advocating for - and a Microsoft platform that you're indirectly promoting by perpetuating the myth that .Net is cross platform- by using Mono.
Period.
You can cry all you want and point fingers of blame at Java because your little Microsoft .net copycat platform doesn't get attention, but truth is, Java and Swing remains the best way to create cross-platform apps.
And soon with Apache's open source java VM builds, you'll no longer have an excuse to complain about.
Are you aware that Sun is allowing the Apache Software Foundation to create a 100% open source build of java that complies with the official Sun spec?.
;-)
e rview.jsp - http://www.jedit.org/ - http://sourceforge.net/projects/frinika ...Editors, Music, Office Suites, P2P clients, 3D design, financial apps, games.... you name it, there is one best-of-breed app written in Java. And without having to chase a Microsoft API from behind like it happens with Mono...
This is the best of both worlds and gives those who want a "Free Software" VM their own VM, while allowing Sun to continue shaping the future of the platform according to outside comments (JCP - Java Community Process, a process where IBM, Nokia, Intel, etc. have a say), but preserving the right to prevent "pollution" of the platform like Microsoft attempted years ago with their windows-only win32 hooks in their Java implementation.
I think some slashdotters need to read The Inquirer more often...
Sun-approved Open Source Java making progress
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30688
MAR 31, 2006
Argentina students help Apache's Open Source Java effort
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30689
MAR 31, 2006
Apache Foundation to create clearn-room Java
with Sun's blessing
Compatible open source J2SE in the works
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23127
MAY 10, 2005
About Java based apps, the "Java is a failure on the desktop" is an old MYTH. Java has been getting really nice on the desktop lately, starting with J2SE 5.0 just at the time most systems above 1Ghz are now (finally!) the norm and at a time when 512MB ram is the average.
There's a lot of java based apps that I run on my linux AND windows desktop and whic I've learned to love:
http://phex.kouk.de/ http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ http://www.artofillusion.org/index
http://www.evermoresw.com/weben/product/productOv
http://sourceforge.net/projects/javaamp - http://sourceforge.net/projects/humaitrader - http://sourceforge.net/projects/jgnash/
http://megamek.sourceforge.net/idx.php?pg=main
https://mustang.dev.java.net/
"Sun is releasing weekly early access snapshots of the complete
source, binaries and documentation for Java SE 6 ("Mustang"). These raw snapshot releases let you review and contribute to Mustang as it is being developed."
What part of "Source" don't you understand??
I rest my case.
Finally about Desktop apps and Swing. Swing is MUCH faster in Java 6.0 (aka 1.6.0), because a lot of stuff is maped to native windows and gnome widgets.