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The Treo 700p Confirmed
Tam Hanna writes "People have been rumoring about the Treo 700p for quite some time, Now, HandMark has "officially" confirmed the Treo 700p's existance on their home page. While developers have had access to the machine for quite some time; this is the first "real" sighting""
Since when have top line slashdot articles been links to 3 line blog posts? Perhaps in the future, we'd like to see someone who, you know, has something to say about the issue, rather than just announcing the thing.
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Now we know what gadget Jack Bauer will be using next season.
This is the best-kept secret since Halo 3!
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700 p? That one very cheap PDA. Me no can wait to buy.
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According to the information there May 28, 2006 is the release date.
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It's existence, not "existance"
WTF is Treo 700p?
Palm OS?
The 700w running Windows Mobile still seems wrong to me.
Well, since this has become a thread of rumors, I may as well post the following pics:s ible-images-of-the-treo-700p/
http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/8358/rumor-pos
Again, not confirmed.
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Wish I could go on a vacation...
Or Treonauts 700p page which now has what they claim is a pulled TechWorld article with crunchy info.
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Fortunately for us, useless toys are what run the economy!
Will the 700P present a better target for installing Linux than the 700W, the same way Windows HW is the main platform for Linux, but Palm HW is usually more problematic?
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Earlier on it was a link to nothing even resembling confirmation, 10 minutes later it's Slashdotted. Lovely.
Sorry, I'm not terribly excited about this to be honest, the Palm OS has become as bloated and annoying an operating system as earlier versions of Windows CE. I run a SmartPhone device (MPX220) and despite its flaws I find it superior to recent versions of Palm. I'm not a Microsoft apologist... I just have used Palms since my old PalmPilot Pro, but lost interest when they went to color without the proper CPU support to make it usable. Recent versions just seem to have become "feature rich" without really fixing its problems.
Wake me up when there's a GSM version of the 700w, now THAT I'll be interested in to replace my MPx220 and Ipaq.
Im thinking Xbox 360....
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That which does not kill me only postpones the inevitable.
I have the treo 650, third one actually, the last 2 were lemmons. So far this one hasn't let me down too much. But I really want one like the new 700w that Verizon has, but I don't want to switch to Verizon. It would be great if that had a 700c for cingular...
Google "700p site:handmark.com" and you will see that it is listed as a supported model on most of the PalmOS software titles.
h andmark.com&btnG=Google+Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=700p+site%3A
I have used the Treo 300, 600, and 650. My company switched from the 650 to the PPC6700 due to problems some people had with Versamail and Exchange 2003 integration. Half the people that switched are asking for their Treos back after a couple of months with the 6700.
I will be buying a 700p for myself. We have a hand-me-down system in the family and my wife wants my 650 and then her mother gets the old 600 that my wife uses.
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Some more info here
Yes, there's a slim possibility it's a Photoshop job, but it's sure as hell a lot more fun to look at that a Slashdotted site. heck, even Engadget had the Treo 700p featured back in February!
The Palm-based PDAs I have used were pretty good. The only problem I had with my current unit, a Tapwave Zodiac, was a bad sync/charging cable. I think it multitasks, at least it allows playing music while doing other things. I've never had the need to run SSH or web browsing on such a tiny device.
Blame the carrier, not Palm. Each carrier hacked up the Treo's firmware to varying degrees (eliminate BT networking, custom ringtone downloaders, etc). If a carrier can't turn off features, they won't carry the phone. Whee, isn't it wonderful to have carrier-locked phones?
Cingular Treo 650s are absolutely horrible. The half-dozen I've had to work with have been totally nightmarish. Audio stops mid call, freaky volume controls, and horrible data transfers. Worse, Cingular seems to have no clue how to support it and pushes you to use their add-on business email product. If you are going with Cingular, get the unlocked GSM Treos. I wish I'd known that before half our executives went with Cingular Treos.
Sprint 650's are pretty much rock solid with great data transfer speeds. Yeah, mine's crashed a few times but each time the internal log pointed at a 3rd party app I'd installed; I find an alternative product or report a bug and my life goes on. On average the Blazer web page download + render comes out to 150Kbit while FTP and email downloads is closer to 250kbit. The Sprint Blazer still has the limit on large web pages but it doesn't crash, just stops downloading additional data. They are better about most common data issues but their sales staff still get confused about the difference between SMTP/POP and crackberry push email.
It's a relief that Cingular doesn't serve all the areas we've got offices so that Sprint 650s can counter the bad press of the Cingular ones.
Can't talk about Verizon or T-Mobile Treos so they could be angels or devils.
And yeah, I dislike WinCE not because of how the devices function but because of the problems ActiveSync seems to engender. I can't count the number of email accounts that have gone over their limit due to the massive ActiveSync error log. I personally prefer PalmOS over WinCE but I can understand why some people are drawn to the WinCE devices.
I've been on slashdot so long I'm starting to get out of touch with the cool stuff if it ain't on slashdot.
Check this out:
http://www.cio.com/blog_view.html?CID=20986
I don't know what you're doing with them, but I have a Treo 600 and it works pretty much flawlessly. The 650 is somewhat different so maybe it's a hardware issue.
* Walks away in disgust. *
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In case no one has noticed the US dollar is about to fall off a cliff and the thought of affording such a lavish cell phone will be an impossibility in the near future. I suggest you slashdotters start paying more attention to what's happening in macro economics and less time on useless toys.
Amen. My advice: Empty your bank accounts and buy all the "useless toys" you want right now!
And, to AC: What fucking good would it do me to may "more attention to what's happening in macro economics"? Will the dollar magically be shored up with happy days here again if I do?
I know medical software is mostly Palm-based, but there's enough on PPC to get by. How is Windows Mobile in general? Any other comments/suggestions?
first off I work at sprint. they first started talkin about this in feb., then set a roll out for late may/early june. I figured since we had a target date ppl already knew about it. look for them in the legacy nextel stores first with legacy sprint stores getting them a cpl weeks later.
I too have had great success with my Palm based units... until I got my 650. I previously had two Palm IIIs and three Palm Vx's. I only replaced them when I dropped one and had the screen crack. I loved my Palm PDAs and loved the idea of marrying my PDA and my phone.
But I've had trouble with my 650. The first one that I had, had some serious hardware problems - it would just randomly reboot during a phone calls I couldn't keep the thing running for more than 20 mins. The second one that I had, the headset got jammed somehow and I could no longer use the phone without the headset plugged in. And almost all of the bluetooth headsets seem to have volume problems except the one that Palm sells!
The third one has been better on the hardware side (but still not perfect), but the sync conduits for Outlook that ship on the CD completely suck! I had appointments that would migrate one hour earlier every time I synced. They also changed the owner of appointments, so that if someone sent me a meeting invite, it would suddenly change to being owned by me. I solved these problems by purchasing third party sync software.
I still wouldn't switch to a windows mobile based phone. The guy in the next cubicle down has one and my problems seem tiny in comparison to his. But the reputation that Palm had built up for their devices is tarnished in my opinion by these problems. I hope that the 700p is better.
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Actually, second time you made this comment in the thread.
As a former escalation manager at Cingular,as of two weeks ago, I transferred over to a parent company.
Palm screwed the pooch on the Cingular Treos. The cellphone companies do not rewrite the firmware. Palm does to the specifications of each carrier.
Palm flubbed the firmware and issued a silent recall. I know I have replaced many and only until recently has Palmone released any decent ones. The only diffrence between unlocked palm ones is branding and a few other bells and whistles you can activate on them.
The only thing the carrier provides to palm is the algos for the unlock codes, and palm supplies each carrier with a keygen.
I can count three horrible batches from Palm of the top of my head.
Cingular support does leave a bit wanting, but call and ask for the PMC data group, front line CSRs do not know to much about the Palm.
Palm does not do GSM well at all. We test bacthed unlocked ones straight from the factory, and same issues.
Currently Sprint does have a better data network. Cingular is somewhat lacking, and hopefully they will get it together. I have seen some pretty neat stuff in a few test markets that was damned impressive. And that is me not showing company loyalty.
And what most people do not realize. Cingulars main tech center is located in Gulfport Missipi, another in Mobile, another in Miami, they got whacked pretty hard by the hurricanes in the middle of the network integration.
I have my own issues with Cingular. But I know a Cingular GSM phone will get your more coverage than a sprint one across the nation, I own a Sprint phone as well. Girlfriend is on sprint.
Curious what areas does Cingular not service?
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I had a treo 300 and wanted to replace it with the the latest handheld from palm WITH PalmOS. That was the 650, but the 700w was available. I waited for 5 months for the 700p and I was going to buy as soon as it was available. However, my 300 finally died so I had no choice. Since I couldn't get a 700p I was forced to look at other avenues for replacement/upgrade device. I wasn't about to spend top dollar for a previous model just because I didn't want Windows. Long story short, I bought a used one for much less.
As far as I'm concerned, that's a lost sale to PalmOne. After all, I was going to buy a brand new 700p but now I don't need to. I've upgraded to "current" and I won't need to do so again for quite some time. I've been saying all along that a Windows model of their handheld isn't a BAD idea but letting their own OS suffer because of it wasn't a good idea. They should have simply been released together, or atleast released close enough together that it wouldn't have been almost half a year that people had to wait. After all, I've been a loyal palm owner since Palm II and to be perfectly honest, I feel almost like they've taken a giant dump on my loyalty.
It might be the bells and whistles that Cingular demands be disabled that is causing the snafus. Imagine a Ford dealer requesting all Tauruses be shipped with a carbureator instead of a fuel injector. I can't say, it's conjecture on my part. I just know Cingular Treos have been only slightly better than putting rabid weasels up to your head.
And if there is/was a silent Palm1 recall, Cingular was dragging their feet about doing device swaps. They could have cheerfully offered to replace handsets on PalmOne's dime instead of making people jump through hoops to do so.
I frequent TreoCentral and MyTreo and the unlocked/international crowd don't seem to have the same quantities of complaints or it could be that PalmOne's unlocked firmware is released more often than Cingular will allow. For instance, the unlocked firmware (1.2) has the revised Blazer while Cingular's firmware (1.17) does not.
I ask to speak with a CSR/department who is familiar with Palms and network services each time I'm forced to call. They pretty much refused to transfer me anywhere. Nothing like having someone tell me that a "relaying denied" message on a Palm when using the Cingular mail server was a problem with "my corporate mail server" to demonstrate I'm talking to experts. I'd be fine with waiting for someone trained if they'd just send me there.
Since the AT&T buyout, probably none. I'm still a bit bitter about the AT&T buyout since they were my carrier. Quality dropped during the migration, they making noise about dismantling the TDMA towers (which way outnumbered GSM towers in my region of Kentucky) getting a Cingular rep to do anything but repeat herself like a parrot when they misbilled me was like pulling teeth. I know *how* I got misbilled (they changed my billing date and swapped how minutes were used between "standard" and "bonus") but the stupid woman didn't seem to understand that if I have a 400minute plan and I only use 225 minutes in the billing cycle that there's no way I am (or should be) paying for 75 minutes of "out of plan usage."
I've been on slashdot so long I'm starting to get out of touch with the cool stuff if it ain't on slashdot.
Just as useless as a some new flashy clothing, or a diamond ring, or a fast sports car, or the last football game....
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Whats your point? When you realize this come back to me
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"just have used Palms since my old PalmPilot Pro, but lost interest when they went to color without the proper CPU support to make it usable."
THAT WAS THE PALM IIIc!!
So, you "lost interest" with the Palm IIIc, and now you judge the current color PalmOS PDAs and smartphones based on your 6 years old Palm IIIc experience.
And you want me to believe your comment is not just coming from a WinMob lover?
Give me a break!.
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There is an official site There's even a comparison with other treo's. It seems it will be only US for now, and the only major difference is a better camera and more RAM. While it sounds ok, it's not a killer upgrade over 650.
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This atleast shows a picture. http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/04/palm-treo-700p- looking-legit/
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=conewssto ry&refer=conews&tkr=PALM:US&sid=ae.rzYcC2VaQ
Enjoy.
What about this link on Palm's own website? http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treo70 0p/index.html?creativeID=HmPg_BB|treo700p_announce ment
I mean, am I being dense, or is it so hard to find info on the 700P?
I've heard a few people complain about the Treo650's reliability, but very few, and almost all on Cingular.
My Sprint Treo 650 has a few minor warts, but it's still a very solid device, although it's not as solid, or as well-integrated from a phone perspective as the Kyocera 6035 Palm phone I had before. No Palm phone I've seen is as solid and reliable as a Palm PDA-only device yet. (Although any Palm device is orders of magnitude more stable and rugged than any Windows Mobile device I've seen.)
My biggest gripe is the execrable Blazer browser. The Sprint data network actually doesn't suck (even without EVDO) but you'd never know that from using Blazer. (To get an idea of the underlying network's true speed, notice the performance you get when bypassing Blazer to make a similarly large data connection - upgrading Pocket Tunes is a great example - it flat flies.)
Really, in today's world, the browser could easily be the most important app on the device, and Blazer is just awful - it's so bad, in so many important ways, that it's hard to find words to express how stupid, dumb and broken it is. At his point, there is no really good alternative, either - no proxied browser makes any sense in today's web apps/Ajax world, and Opera Mini is enormous (counting Java, which you must) and doesn't work with anything else on the device, making it an island. Palm needs to get us a real, fast browser - I'd give up all other new features for that. (Although replacing the incredibly lame RealPlayer with PocketTunes is a great move, since it's the only really functional audio player option available for Palm devices. The Blazer guys could learn a LOT from the programmers at Normsoft!)
Still the Treo 650 is a very solid device, with one weird exception: pressing the green phone key to wake it up after WorldClock has sounded an alarm causes a spontaneous reboot. Annoying, but not critical.
"The future's good and the present is nothing to sneeze at." - Roblimo's last
"...rumoring about the Treo 700p for quite some time, Now, HandMark has "officially" confirmed the Treo 700p's existance...." Rumor? How about checking with Palm? http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treo70 0p/index.html?creativeID=HmPg_BB|treo700p_announce ment
I've been waiting for this for six months.
I just received email (5/15/06 9:18am CDT) from Palm Products Newsletter announcing "The new Treo 700p smartphonecoming soon on the Sprint and Verizon Wireless networks." Basic ad email with some pictures.
For most purposes, 355/113 is close enough.
I guess it's for real, and not just some blogger's fantasy:
0 0p/index.html?sssdmh=dm13.112777
http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treo7
If it's from the horse's mouth, I suppose it's not bs. Plus, Palm's website is unlikely to be slashdotted. The site also has, you know, lists of features, brochures, and stuff.
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http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treo7
(coming soon, allegedly)
Form factor is the same. Slightly heavier.
Looks like a nice upgrade, for my purposes, anyway. Plus I could punt my 650 to my wife. I wish they'd have a standard headphone jack, though, for mp3 playback.
Lots of petrified grits
When you say "their own OS", what exactly are you talking about? Palm spun off their OS business a long time ago. The new OS company, "PalmSource", was itself bought up by a Chinese firm. If the OS and hardware were still part of the same concern, you can bet that a Windows model would never have been released at all.
Sean
Look. I loved my Treo 600. Palm said it was going to release a Blackberry emulator http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=68 24
for it, then changed the tune to say it would only be relased for the Treo 650 (sometime in December 2005). It still hasn't been released for the Treo 650 and still isn't available for the 700W. I HATE the blackberry Im forced to use on a daily basis and would much prefer to have a Palm on my hip again. How about an info update, Palm? Will you EVER release the Blackberry Connect port for PalmOS?
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I have been waiting forever for the 700p to come out! I was going to go with cingular or unlocked GSM, but now I'm not sure.
For starters, is cingular selling customer data to the government?
And it has been pointed out that if cingular phones have less than 4 out of 5 antenna bars they totally garble the conversation. I have confirmed this is the case with two different friends by asking them how many antenna bars they have when their phone started dropping multiple words from every sentence. One had a 650p (3 of 5 bars) and the other some newish flip phone (3 full bars and 2 half bars, whatever that means).
But then again Sprint doesn't work well in my house on my old, old phone and I usually have to outdoors, and half the time it doesn't even ring when someone calls... Will a newer phone work better? Do they all suck?
I too have been waiting for Blackberry Connect and would like to see it for the new Treo 700p. However, Blackberry Connect isn't necessary for the Treo 700w, as it will work natively with Microsoft Exchange 2003 SP2 as long as you've installed the MSFP (Microsoft Security and Features Pack) for the Treo 700w. Verizon released the MSFP for the 700w on Verizon's network at the end of April. I've installed it and it essentially makes the Treo 700w work like a Blackberry, with no BES license required. The tools to remotely wipe a Treo or to enforce a password policy are crude compared to what the BES offers, but it definitely works.