"Who has mastered this game more", Ugh, this is like holding up a big sign that says "bring weapons, i'm a troll" to chess players. =P
First of all, it's been proven thru tests of all sorts that high level chess players are intellectually very strong. For existance the Grandmaster and World Champion Emanuel Lasker was a good friend of Einstein and talked with him on par about Einsteins theories and all kinds of subjects.
On the flip side of the coin, Chess players can be extremely autistic and/or not so socially responsible, For instance Bobby Fisher today is insane and also an Anti-Semetic who claims that the Jews are out to get him, (You can hear his radio interviews at chess-space.com , I think.)
You don't Memorise games, you memorise lines, admittedly for the opening lines this is a pre-requisite to do well in chess, but this hasn't stopped people from developing new openings like the Pirc Modern and the Dragon.
However memorising these opening lines is pretty easy, and if you are going to be playing on a tournament level, studying the major lines, (Indians, Kings pawn, etc.) isn't really that much of a pain. More important in chess are concepts and general strategies.
Chess is a studious game, and people who study chess play better, and on the higher levels of chess a large vocabulary of opening lines is required, but believe me, games would most likely have the same result given these 'altered rules', I could mention bughouse and myriad other variants but I wont, needless to say, it has little effect as long as the general strategic concepts are the same, and in chess they are sweeping.
"Good god man, you're addicted to chess and now you are going to take up bridge? Once you get the hang of bridge you'll be useless for any worthwhile occupation!" - Emanuel Lasker
No, society today is diffrent than it was in the 1970's. unless you're saying that the presence of the machine breeds apathy for change...? Please clarify.
I honestly don't think a clotho is necessary, sure it's a cool idea, but it's kind of self defeating. Why would you need an AI to decide this for you? This is just another AI (Other AI's we use today include Policy (Zero Tolerance)/Charters/Law) to remove the need to use logic and let preconceived databases of knowledge determine what is needed and what isn't.
Ignoring the fact that such a 'God' Isn't really needed, the logistical concerns of updating such a collective personality, if we had such a machine built in 1970 and it was still around today, it would almost certainly be almost useless, due to culture shifts, scientific/medical knowledge, mass changes in opinion on moral and ethical issues (read: information on abortion, cancer survival. etc.), etc, a Clotho made by the programmer from 1970 just couldn't keep up, even if it was given the faculties we have for computing today.
As for screening out the monica lewinsky scandal, it might have been under 4.0 until, even though we don't care, we hit the key phrase, 'President breaks law (purjury)' where clotho would have hit a huge rating on principle, unless we decided that we didn't care about the laws that affect our society and rights, and unfortunately this is the case for many people, they just don't care for whatever reason.
I saw a good example today of why we might never need Clotho, Microsoft Released a mouse without a ball which moved by using a digital camera. Heh, it's already impressing absoloutely no one.
Besides, Clotho can't solve the big problem, people forced by Laws or Corprate policy, or whatever similar situation.
You know the one thing you have to remember is that Corel is kind of an old fashioned company (tm) who don't want to release the source code and not distribute it for a few reasons.
1. They lottery and select people to beta test, they only have a few people do this because if they had 900 people telling them about some error they (being the programmers) would be in hell.
2. It gives off the impression to other companies, (and more importantly, Wall street) that they've got some big secret thing comming out, it actually seems pretty impressive, in the 'high levels' of companies (read: clueless stockholders and investors who read press releases and use that as their sole form of research), that they appear to be developing one of them "new linux things",
Corel is just trying to maintain it's normal image. I think it's a little early to say that they don't believe in any of the things that the "open source community" does. I'm sure corel will somewhat change it from vanilla debian, which would explain why they are beta testing, I guess.
The answer is simple, don't buy stuff you don't need, don't use things you don't need to use, however, thats not the main problem.
The problem is getting the solution to work in the minds of most people. Unfortunately in most companies, hospitals, governments, and the like, common sense and logical thought is more than often defeated by policy and everything a person ever needs to do in any given situation on a card.
So what better solution than to have computers carry out the policy for us? When a terminal in a hospital gives the nurse instructions from a database to pull the plug on a patient, without input from the family, the patient, or the _human_ doctors, based simply on a form of questions with yes or no answers, that is the day that we must go to war.
A war against those who consider their policies better than any one mans logic or experience, or the end all solution to any and all situation.
A war against apathy and complacency, and the lack of the will to fight against the AI's that already control our schools, governments, courtrooms, and companies.
The AI's that sacrifice our employees to 'downsize' and increase profits by not having to pay as many people.
The AI's that control the schools and have pre-set policies and actions for any given situation to prevent violence and destroy individuality and defeat the logic of individual situations.
The AI's that run the government that we call corruption yet do nothing about; a testament to the fact that the AI's are winning.
AI is here, and it's not in a computer like the literary prophecies we all know, it's a policy made by people that doom themselves to carry out the policy as agents of it, told by their minds that their logic is irrelevant, and that they can only do what the AI, the laws or policies, let them.
We are doomed.
Doomed to a war with these AI's, or Doomed to complacency and apaty for our pitiful situation.
Perhaps we are doomed to a legislature that programs in the endless complexity of the programming language of law, never escaping our own trap.
Of course, these AI's can also defend us, depending on their internal logic.
This friend I speak of, to you americans, is the first amendment, and the second we give this up is the day we lose the war.
How ironic that the very AI's that we must fight against also help us, at times.
At least I corrected Taco on "residuals" (The money you make when you are on TV when your show or movie is in syndication) on the skywalker ranch episode. Does this make me the first person with a correction?
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Well First Off Cyber Patrol/cyber Sitter and the all of those 'filtering' software thingys are racist, anti Non-Christian (jewish sites are blocked or so i'm told so shrug.) and espically anti- Pagan. simple solution? Delete the software, unless you really want to use software created by bigots for bigots. -Shanoyu
Why do people imply that these sort of things will be the end of the world? Either Way in 2000 the end of the world begins anyway so you might as well kill your local government. I guess this makes me the only slashdot reader to favor violent overthrow of government though.
Obviously this is so the next foreign leader who plans their domination of the world from an orbital space platform will know exactly when they should tell the French leaders to lie down and play dead, or at least put up the glorious Twenty Minute Struggle.
Since it's obvious that we aren't going to learn anything in high school anyway due to the tragedy, lets organise a mass drop out day for may 19th, (star wars day too) We all drop out, give the man the Finger, and take the year off, all the while bringing attention to the tragedy that the Media and School Administrators fueled. Whos with me?
-Shanoyu
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If we don't stop people like Jerry Falwell, who said that Role Playing Games made kids do this, or Bill Maher, who is convinced that all Children are the spawn of satan anyway, the internet will simply be destroyed by the hurricane of ignorance and stupidity sweeping our country due to stories like this from media Trolls like Wolf Blitzer, Katie Couric, Ted Brokaw, Sam Donaldson, And the like. We need to take a stand against stupidity, and if we don't, we are going to lose big time. Maybe CmdrTaco can start a/. feature of a petition against media trolls.
First things first, someone arrange that a horses head wakes up next to this man.;)
Second, This man is quite obviously failing his courses if hes done this little research anyway.
Also, The man is an ex-cop, and we all know that cops do very well with avoiding stereotypes, don't we?
In addition, If all hackers come from broken homes, why can't we classify all criminals, or athletes before they become so? This stereotype is older than the World, anyone with a grain of intellect can see thru it like Glass.
On the one hand, This is generally our only shot at protecting code and such from government and the like, other than getting Al Gore to learn Linux and C++ and then getting him in the white house (not bloody likely).
Also, encryption doesn't have any big lobby like firearms do with the NRA, I mean sure we have tiny organisations like the EFF, but we don't have people like Heston, The original Ben Hur, or the likes of someone in power who accutally has a freaking clue. The main problem is that Programmers don't go into Politics, and that Politicians don't go into Programming. One doesn't understand the other. I'm sure if we did a poll on people in congress giving them a quiz on the factual information of encryption, at least 99% would fail.
Of course, that being our curse, the Supreme court probaly doesn't have much of a clue either, heck, the majority of the people in the USA don't have a clue, just look at what they are fed on TV everyday, the only people who get real news have the internet. Instead of something about Monica Lewinsky or the latest Dumb Macro Virus.
That being said, I think that the real issue is how do we get people like Justices and Politicians to learn about and understand the issues we are talking about, can we? Is it possible? Or are they simply (and us too) doomed for them to wallow in ignorance?
G'luck with Linux, it's kind of hard to use when your boss starts looking for reasons not to use linux (so they don't get fired when you can't blame tech support =)
Ever tried to order a non-QWERTY keyboard?
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Ummmm, heh, I tried to order an ergonomic keyboard from siemens for my desk the other day, and the response was: "We do not find it neccessary to buy you a ergonmic keyboard as you were not trained to use one according to your job description and resumae." If this is the response I get for that, I wonder what it would be like ordering a DEVORAK keyboard =)
And so it is written upon the book of the Disc 6:66 that Upon the 99th year of the 20th century that a great plague will be upon us. And so a great hero named DaViD will come and save us from our blight; and so the evil demon known to us as DivX will be engaged in a battle of the Titans With DaViD, and He shall taketh his Quake CD, and his SlackWare CD, and his Debian CD, and his Quake 2 CD, and he shall use the Disk Launcher fromth the game Tribes, and he shalt use it upon the evil Demon, and it shall be destroyed, it is so written in the Man pages of god.
Nostradamous predicted something like this didn't he? someone owning knowledge or some BS like that? Jesus, prophets suck:( anyway, it looks like we are all screwed.
Yawn. Every group has to have a name, They chose LoU, so what? You don't even act like you know what the word hack means. I hack my own machine to see what security flaws it has, and most people do, I don't see why that sould be looked down on just because a Group of people who use computers to access networks or computers in ways that they normally would not be. (hackers)
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"Who has mastered this game more", Ugh, this is like holding up a big sign that says "bring weapons, i'm a troll" to chess players. =P
First of all, it's been proven thru tests of all sorts that high level chess players are intellectually very strong. For existance the Grandmaster and World Champion Emanuel Lasker was a good friend of Einstein and talked with him on par about Einsteins theories and all kinds of subjects.
On the flip side of the coin, Chess players can be extremely autistic and/or not so socially responsible, For instance Bobby Fisher today is insane and also an Anti-Semetic who claims that the Jews are out to get him, (You can hear his radio interviews at chess-space.com , I think.)
You don't Memorise games, you memorise lines, admittedly for the opening lines this is a pre-requisite to do well in chess, but this hasn't stopped people from developing new openings like the Pirc Modern and the Dragon.
However memorising these opening lines is pretty easy, and if you are going to be playing on a tournament level, studying the major lines, (Indians, Kings pawn, etc.) isn't really that much of a pain. More important in chess are concepts and general strategies.
Chess is a studious game, and people who study chess play better, and on the higher levels of chess a large vocabulary of opening lines is required, but believe me, games would most likely have the same result given these 'altered rules', I could mention bughouse and myriad other variants but I wont, needless to say, it has little effect as long as the general strategic concepts are the same, and in chess they are sweeping.
"Good god man, you're addicted to chess and now you are going to take up bridge? Once you get the hang of bridge you'll be useless for any worthwhile occupation!" - Emanuel Lasker
-[ World domination - rains.net ]-
No, society today is diffrent than it was in the 1970's. unless you're saying that the presence of the machine breeds apathy for change...? Please clarify.
-[ World domination - rains.net ]-
I honestly don't think a clotho is necessary, sure it's a cool idea, but it's kind of self defeating. Why would you need an AI to decide this for you? This is just another AI (Other AI's we use today include Policy (Zero Tolerance) /Charters/Law) to remove the need to use logic and let preconceived databases of knowledge determine what is needed and what isn't.
Ignoring the fact that such a 'God' Isn't really needed, the logistical concerns of updating such a collective personality, if we had such a machine built in 1970 and it was still around today, it would almost certainly be almost useless, due to culture shifts, scientific/medical knowledge, mass changes in opinion on moral and ethical issues (read: information on abortion, cancer survival. etc.), etc, a Clotho made by the programmer from 1970 just couldn't keep up, even if it was given the faculties we have for computing today.
As for screening out the monica lewinsky scandal, it might have been under 4.0 until, even though we don't care, we hit the key phrase, 'President breaks law (purjury)' where clotho would have hit a huge rating on principle, unless we decided that we didn't care about the laws that affect our society and rights, and unfortunately this is the case for many people, they just don't care for whatever reason.
I saw a good example today of why we might never need Clotho, Microsoft Released a mouse without a ball which moved by using a digital camera. Heh, it's already impressing absoloutely no one.
Besides, Clotho can't solve the big problem, people forced by Laws or Corprate policy, or whatever similar situation.
-[ World domination - rains.net ]-
You know the one thing you have to remember is that Corel is kind of an old fashioned company (tm) who don't want to release the source code and not distribute it for a few reasons.
1. They lottery and select people to beta test, they only have a few people do this because if they had 900 people telling them about some error they (being the programmers) would be in hell.
2. It gives off the impression to other companies, (and more importantly, Wall street) that they've got some big secret thing comming out, it actually seems pretty impressive, in the 'high levels' of companies (read: clueless stockholders and investors who read press releases and use that as their sole form of research), that they appear to be developing one of them "new linux things",
Corel is just trying to maintain it's normal image. I think it's a little early to say that they don't believe in any of the things that the "open source community" does. I'm sure corel will somewhat change it from vanilla debian, which would explain why they are beta testing, I guess.
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The answer is simple, don't buy stuff you don't need, don't use things you don't need to use, however, thats not the main problem.
The problem is getting the solution to work in the minds of most people. Unfortunately in most companies, hospitals, governments, and the like, common sense and logical thought is more than often defeated by policy and everything a person ever needs to do in any given situation on a card.
So what better solution than to have computers carry out the policy for us? When a terminal in a hospital gives the nurse instructions from a database to pull the plug on a patient, without input from the family, the patient, or the _human_ doctors, based simply on a form of questions with yes or no answers, that is the day that we must go to war.
A war against those who consider their policies better than any one mans logic or experience, or the end all solution to any and all situation.
A war against apathy and complacency, and the lack of the will to fight against the AI's that already control our schools, governments, courtrooms, and companies.
The AI's that sacrifice our employees to 'downsize' and increase profits by not having to pay as many people.
The AI's that control the schools and have pre-set policies and actions for any given situation to prevent violence and destroy individuality and defeat the logic of individual situations.
The AI's that run the government that we call corruption yet do nothing about; a testament to the fact that the AI's are winning.
AI is here, and it's not in a computer like the literary prophecies we all know, it's a policy made by people that doom themselves to carry out the policy as agents of it, told by their minds that their logic is irrelevant, and that they can only do what the AI, the laws or policies, let them.
We are doomed.
Doomed to a war with these AI's, or Doomed to complacency and apaty for our pitiful situation.
Perhaps we are doomed to a legislature that programs in the endless complexity of the programming language of law, never escaping our own trap.
Of course, these AI's can also defend us, depending on their internal logic.
This friend I speak of, to you americans, is the first amendment, and the second we give this up is the day we lose the war.
How ironic that the very AI's that we must fight against also help us, at times.
-[ World domination - rains.net ]-
Mindspring works with everything, although if you live in a big city (like Atlanta, where I am.) the dial-ups are constantly clogged.
-[ World domination - rains.net ]-
At least I corrected Taco on "residuals" (The money you make when you are on TV when your show or movie is in syndication) on the skywalker ranch episode. Does this make me the first person with a correction?
-[ irc.dal.net - #eblana ]-
-[ misc.txt, karma for a new generation ]-
Well First Off Cyber Patrol/cyber Sitter and the all of those 'filtering' software thingys are racist, anti Non-Christian (jewish sites are blocked or so i'm told so shrug.) and espically anti- Pagan. simple solution? Delete the software, unless you really want to use software created by bigots for bigots. -Shanoyu
Why do people imply that these sort of things will be the end of the world? Either Way in 2000 the end of the world begins anyway so you might as well kill your local government. I guess this makes me the only slashdot reader to favor violent overthrow of government though.
Obviously this is so the next foreign leader who plans their domination of the world from an orbital space platform will know exactly when they should tell the French leaders to lie down and play dead, or at least put up the glorious Twenty Minute Struggle.
Since it's obvious that we aren't going to learn anything in high school anyway due to the tragedy, lets organise a mass drop out day for may 19th, (star wars day too) We all drop out, give the man the Finger, and take the year off, all the while bringing attention to the tragedy that the Media and School Administrators fueled. Whos with me?
-Shanoyu
If we don't stop people like Jerry Falwell, who said that Role Playing Games made kids do this, or Bill Maher, who is convinced that all Children are the spawn of satan anyway, the internet will simply be destroyed by the hurricane of ignorance and stupidity sweeping our country due to stories like this from media Trolls like Wolf Blitzer, Katie Couric, Ted Brokaw, Sam Donaldson, And the like. We need to take a stand against stupidity, and if we don't, we are going to lose big time. Maybe CmdrTaco can start a /. feature of a petition against media trolls.
-shanoyu
Do we have another option?
Someone make a 'I boycott alta vista' button and then pass it around, please.
-Shanoyu
But did they *win* ?
First things first, someone arrange that a horses head wakes up next to this man. ;)
Second, This man is quite obviously failing his courses if hes done this little research anyway.
Also, The man is an ex-cop, and we all know that cops do very well with avoiding stereotypes, don't we?
In addition, If all hackers come from broken homes, why can't we classify all criminals, or athletes before they become so? This stereotype is older than the World, anyone with a grain of intellect can see thru it like Glass.
-Shanoyu
On the one hand, This is generally our only shot at protecting code and such from government and the like, other than getting Al Gore to learn Linux and C++ and then getting him in the white house (not bloody likely).
Also, encryption doesn't have any big lobby like firearms do with the NRA, I mean sure we have tiny organisations like the EFF, but we don't have people like Heston, The original Ben Hur, or the likes of someone in power who accutally has a freaking clue. The main problem is that Programmers don't go into Politics, and that Politicians don't go into Programming. One doesn't understand the other. I'm sure if we did a poll on people in congress giving them a quiz on the factual information of encryption, at least 99% would fail.
Of course, that being our curse, the Supreme court probaly doesn't have much of a clue either, heck, the majority of the people in the USA don't have a clue, just look at what they are fed on TV everyday, the only people who get real news have the internet. Instead of something about Monica Lewinsky or the latest Dumb Macro Virus.
That being said, I think that the real issue is how do we get people like Justices and Politicians to learn about and understand the issues we are talking about, can we? Is it possible? Or are they simply (and us too) doomed for them to wallow in ignorance?
-shanoyu
Welcome to the trial by fire, noobie. =)
G'luck with Linux, it's kind of hard to use when your boss starts looking for reasons not to use linux (so they don't get fired when you can't blame tech support =)
Ummmm, heh, I tried to order an ergonomic keyboard from siemens for my desk the other day, and the response was: "We do not find it neccessary to buy you a ergonmic keyboard as you were not trained to use one according to your job description and resumae." If this is the response I get for that, I wonder what it would be like ordering a DEVORAK keyboard =)
I heard on headline news that the government will be able to see what was encrypted.
No thanks.
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And so it is written upon the book of the Disc 6:66 that Upon the 99th year of the 20th century that a great plague will be upon us. And so a great hero named DaViD will come and save us from our blight; and so the evil demon known to us as DivX will be engaged in a battle of the Titans With DaViD, and He shall taketh his Quake CD, and his SlackWare CD, and his Debian CD, and his Quake 2 CD, and he shall use the Disk Launcher fromth the game Tribes, and he shalt use it upon the evil Demon, and it shall be destroyed, it is so written in the Man pages of god.
Yeah, I'm boycotting yahoo too. Nothing against them, but I don't want to give money to someone who might take my friends Domain away.
Nostradamous predicted something like this didn't he? someone owning knowledge or some BS like that? Jesus, prophets suck :( anyway, it looks like we are all screwed.
This little bug cost one unnamed company that is Not siemens, (wink) half a million. Thats not good.
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Meryll lynch *has* been wrong about computers before, espically about Microsoft being aquired by IBM, remember that? =P
Yawn. Every group has to have a name, They chose LoU, so what? You don't even act like you know what the word hack means. I hack my own machine to see what security flaws it has, and most people do, I don't see why that sould be looked down on just because a Group of people who use computers to access networks or computers in ways that they normally would not be. (hackers)