I have a problem with the *owners* who act as if owning an "unhackable" Apple was like being married to the most beautiful wife on the planet. ("Why would anybody choose a different partner/ manufacturer???")
Who cares? Besides, for the non-geek, and for the multimedia professional it's true -- there is nothing that can touch OS X and the software available for it. It's an idiot-proof, user-friendly *nix.
Yes, it's limited, dumbed-down, locked-down, and has an aggravating tendency to try to force users into doing things "the Apple Way". In that regard, it's just as frustrating to me as windows. But it's still got the power of bash out of the box, and is every bit as capable as linux or any other BSD in many key ways. I can understand why people pay the premium, if the money isn't an issue it's a no brainer for lots of people.
Apple's personal computers are still..... just PCs. Just like Acuras/Lexuses are just Hondas/Toyotas.
Custom PCs with custom mobos running commodity chipsets, with an OS tuned, tested, and optimized for the hardware. It's a completely reasonable choice for people who like what Apple offers. The security isn't "all that", but it certainly beats the hell out of windows for the average user. The whole applehatred thing is weird, like racism or religious zealotry..
Not one word of apology is present in my post nor the post with which I expressed agreement. You're very emotional, which has made you irrational. Now that you have blurted out your little troll you have to try to defend it rationally, which is of course a doomed prospect. You have no leg upon which to stand. You have simply attached your emotional baggage inappropriately, and reacted hysterically. Perhaps you can rationalize it away to yourself, but it won't wash with anyone paying attention.
I think this is the important point. It doesn't matter that the Mac failed first, it matters that it failed at all. The order isn't important - all of the exploits took a small amount of time, and all were done just by making the machine visit a malicious site. Which one was tried first is not the important bit.
Exactly. It might have been far more interesting if we'd had a summary that at least made an effort to tell the whole story, rather than just the one-sided flamebait we got...
Yes pretty much, but the average slashdotter is always looking for opportunities to vent displaced rage and Apple is it lately.
What's that rumbling sound I hear? Ach mein gott, it's the stampede of anti-apple trolls with their one-dimensional stereotypes, flaming straw men, and tired, old memes!
Since they went out of their way to emphasize % of distributions, that tells me that Debian probably isn't the root of the majority of user installations -- if it was, they would have said so.
Ever heard of Ubuntu? Based on Debian, a few people are using it...
(Yes, I only care about user installations. Server installations can bite my shiny metal ***.)
Sounds awfully arbitrary to me. Why do you wintards always have to erect weird little barriers anytime the adults try to communicate?
That's what you insecure people always think. A lot of us just find it a lot easier to do what we have to do from the CLI because it's often the most powerful way to do the job, offering the best control, etc. I hate it when people say stupid things like, "oh you think you're so smart". Truly, I wish I was so smart I could be at risk of being arrogant about it! No, I do not think I'm particularly smarter than people who need kde, gnome, or whatever. I just like my system to be fast, responsive, and appropriate to my needs, and I've had the luxury of time to invest in learning how to really go for that. It's easy for me now, I can do it in my sleep (and sometimes do) .
So give the "you think you're so smart" bullshit a rest. If anything, you probably think you're so stupid, and you can't stand it so you 're just lashing out at anyone you fear may be smarter than you.
On behalf of the many gentoo, arch, and slackware users, I'd like to point out that "old school Linux" is alive and well and more capable than ever, thanks.
It's a relatively open platform, which makes it easier to dupe users into installing trojans.
The thing that troubles me is that google doesn't vet the apps before they're published, leaving a lot of users vulnerable. There's surely a better middle ground between "walled garden" and "wide open wild west".
It takes less than five minutes to personally disassemble and crack Google's default copyright protection library built into the majority of protected Android apps. I don't know why anyone would want to use an unknown market to do it.
One click, duh! Convenience trumps everything for most consumers.
I'm beginning to think it's a bizarre inferiority complex that is triggered by the sight / mention of Apple products. The same way some people flip out and feel oppressed when they spot "Happy Holidays" or something.
It's called "displaced rage". Most geeks have a lot of rage, and one common coping mechanism is venting rage at surrogate issues. Makes it easy and simple to point and blame, which saves one the trouble of actually confronting and taking responsibility for their personal issues.
Same here. In fact, the reason I'm a CLI geek is that I find GUIs and menus confusing and hard to memorize, but commands, arguments, man pages, etc are pretty easy. Maybe most of us who prefer the CLI are just wired a bit differently than most people...
You should stop worrying about what other people should buy.
No doubt! We have so much of that nonsense on/., it gets old fast. Reading/. made me realize that I too could be obnoxiously zealous about FOSS, so I try to remember that people are free to chose "incorrectly".;)
That's a lot of unnecessary trouble to go through though. I just specify the appropriate interpreter. Works perfectly well, both in BSD and Linux (I have multiple versions of python in each).
Like this:
the clear advantages to doing GUI stuff in Linux doesn't apply to me.
Whaa? As a user of both FreeBSD and gentoo, I'd like to remind you that there is no difference in the GUI, they both use xorg. In fact, the only real advantage I've found Linux has over BSD is the support for so many filesystems and partition types. I do wish they'd add that to BSD, but whenever I've brought it up the devs were somewhat antagonistic toward the notion. Can't imagine why, really... But anyway, that's why gentoo became my preferred desktop OS, it's the swiss army knife utility of being able to mount and read/write just about any filesystem. I love FreeBSD though; there's a lot to be said for using a kernel so small you could easily configure it in ee if you wanted.:)
I doubt anyone really hates you, but surely it's true that if you didn't spend so much time trolling and and making up stories people might not call you names so often. Parent post is a classic example -- substituting the "N" word for "troll" and trying to shame and blame over it. That was truly idiotic as well as totally dishonest.
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Who cares? Besides, for the non-geek, and for the multimedia professional it's true -- there is nothing that can touch OS X and the software available for it. It's an idiot-proof, user-friendly *nix.
Yes, it's limited, dumbed-down, locked-down, and has an aggravating tendency to try to force users into doing things "the Apple Way". In that regard, it's just as frustrating to me as windows. But it's still got the power of bash out of the box, and is every bit as capable as linux or any other BSD in many key ways. I can understand why people pay the premium, if the money isn't an issue it's a no brainer for lots of people.
Custom PCs with custom mobos running commodity chipsets, with an OS tuned, tested, and optimized for the hardware. It's a completely reasonable choice for people who like what Apple offers. The security isn't "all that", but it certainly beats the hell out of windows for the average user. The whole applehatred thing is weird, like racism or religious zealotry..
Not one word of apology is present in my post nor the post with which I expressed agreement. You're very emotional, which has made you irrational. Now that you have blurted out your little troll you have to try to defend it rationally, which is of course a doomed prospect. You have no leg upon which to stand. You have simply attached your emotional baggage inappropriately, and reacted hysterically. Perhaps you can rationalize it away to yourself, but it won't wash with anyone paying attention.
Thanks for illustrating my point with your blind, irrational, displaced rage.
:P
Read it again troll, this time thinking about the fact that I'm a gentoo and freebsd user.
Exactly. It might have been far more interesting if we'd had a summary that at least made an effort to tell the whole story, rather than just the one-sided flamebait we got...
Yes pretty much, but the average slashdotter is always looking for opportunities to vent displaced rage and Apple is it lately.
What's that rumbling sound I hear? Ach mein gott, it's the stampede of anti-apple trolls with their one-dimensional stereotypes, flaming straw men, and tired, old memes!
Since I tried pentadactyl, firefox has become the only browser I can stand to use. The interface is worth the performance issues.
"password", mmm, no. "123456" Oh, hey -- we're in!
Klaus, you're getting the keyboard wet, get back in your bowl!
Not being linux, they don't.
Ever heard of Ubuntu? Based on Debian, a few people are using it...
Sounds awfully arbitrary to me. Why do you wintards always have to erect weird little barriers anytime the adults try to communicate?
You're just pissy 'cause you're not smart enough to build, install, and use it.
That's what you insecure people always think. A lot of us just find it a lot easier to do what we have to do from the CLI because it's often the most powerful way to do the job, offering the best control, etc. I hate it when people say stupid things like, "oh you think you're so smart". Truly, I wish I was so smart I could be at risk of being arrogant about it! No, I do not think I'm particularly smarter than people who need kde, gnome, or whatever. I just like my system to be fast, responsive, and appropriate to my needs, and I've had the luxury of time to invest in learning how to really go for that. It's easy for me now, I can do it in my sleep (and sometimes do) .
So give the "you think you're so smart" bullshit a rest. If anything, you probably think you're so stupid, and you can't stand it so you 're just lashing out at anyone you fear may be smarter than you.
On behalf of the many gentoo, arch, and slackware users, I'd like to point out that "old school Linux" is alive and well and more capable than ever, thanks.
It's a relatively open platform, which makes it easier to dupe users into installing trojans. The thing that troubles me is that google doesn't vet the apps before they're published, leaving a lot of users vulnerable. There's surely a better middle ground between "walled garden" and "wide open wild west".
One click, duh! Convenience trumps everything for most consumers.
It's called "displaced rage". Most geeks have a lot of rage, and one common coping mechanism is venting rage at surrogate issues. Makes it easy and simple to point and blame, which saves one the trouble of actually confronting and taking responsibility for their personal issues.
It's bad news when TFS is a troll.
I take it you're not familiar with imagemagick?
I've been reading ebooks on my mobile devices for at least six years. It's hardly an "untested fad".
Same here. In fact, the reason I'm a CLI geek is that I find GUIs and menus confusing and hard to memorize, but commands, arguments, man pages, etc are pretty easy. Maybe most of us who prefer the CLI are just wired a bit differently than most people...
Real geeks know that mplayer is still the One True Media Player for *nix. And we use it from the CLI and have our fave streams and playlists scripted.
No doubt! We have so much of that nonsense on /., it gets old fast. Reading /. made me realize that I too could be obnoxiously zealous about FOSS, so I try to remember that people are free to chose "incorrectly". ;)
That's a lot of unnecessary trouble to go through though. I just specify the appropriate interpreter. Works perfectly well, both in BSD and Linux (I have multiple versions of python in each). Like this:
/usr/bin/python2.4
/usr/bin/python2.7
#!
or
#!
Whaa? As a user of both FreeBSD and gentoo, I'd like to remind you that there is no difference in the GUI, they both use xorg. In fact, the only real advantage I've found Linux has over BSD is the support for so many filesystems and partition types. I do wish they'd add that to BSD, but whenever I've brought it up the devs were somewhat antagonistic toward the notion. Can't imagine why, really... But anyway, that's why gentoo became my preferred desktop OS, it's the swiss army knife utility of being able to mount and read/write just about any filesystem. I love FreeBSD though; there's a lot to be said for using a kernel so small you could easily configure it in ee if you wanted. :)
I doubt anyone really hates you, but surely it's true that if you didn't spend so much time trolling and and making up stories people might not call you names so often. Parent post is a classic example -- substituting the "N" word for "troll" and trying to shame and blame over it. That was truly idiotic as well as totally dishonest.