Well, Linux is the kernel, we don't go around calling windows NT... I get both sides points, but if it wasn't for GNU, it is likely the world's software would be a much different place, and not for the better. Consider that Microsoft was selling NT I think it was for something like $800 in the early 90's and the home version for like $200, and the only difference was one dll file that allowed the http pipes to go from 10 to 50, which is something a business or office could use with lans. When you overwrote the home version's dll file with the NT, you got the same exact OS bit for bit. Maybe you disagree, but that highway robbery BS is just evil to me. I am glad you got a little history with GNU and Linus, it helps to make since of it all.
Had to look up your little acronym there... not sure why you used it as it doesn't save time. But anyhow, it is an upstream related thing, and will probably change in future releases. OO.org is still Libre, and it is easy to install and then uninstall OO.org if you wish.
I see where you are coming from. It is like MADD not wanting to discourage ANY drinking, instead of admitting drinking responsibly is ok and a right. And it is similar that the FSF will not endorse anything that is non-free. But that is there mission, whereas MADD's is about drinking, and then driving. Also, it doesn't make since to all but open a beer and hand it to someone if you are trying to discourage drinking and driving. And the FSF isn't endorsing anyone who hands you closed software in a neat little package. You want it, go get it.. just won't be endorsed. So, it does make since when you think about it.
Well, if you have the privacy tools/options available as you should (like not sharing data with anyone but say, friends) then that isn't as much an issue. My bank details are "published" but there is sufficient security that only I should be able to likely gain access. If my bank however sells my data, then it is an injustice if it is without my knowledge or permission, but they don't know everything about me the way Facebook might. And really, that is a whole other subject besides free/libre software. Related, but different.
One way that they are related is that you are subjugated. That is why the "jail" reference is meaningful. Because it help people understand in "plainer" English. People now often think it is okay to be subjugated with software, but mention jail, and they still understand that is something that is not right and that they don't want to be a part of. (usually)
It's about way more than being in a "jail". It's about privacy, security, etc. Even things like FaceBook are warned against, and if you tried to remove your data from certain services, good luck. In general, you are at the whims of a proprietary software maker and the only choice you have often is to use, or not to use. But even choosing not to use anymore doesn't mean irreparable damage hasn't already been done.
RMS has been using libre since at least 2007. Someone asked in another post when it came about. He didn't mention in a 2006 lecture, but he did in 2007.
AOL diskettes are usually a curse, like anything else that tends to get piled up. If I tell you there is free beer, you know exactly what is meant, no matter if you are a drunk college student, burnt out old drug user, or a Nobel Prize winner.
jspenkle, didn't you go to my highschool? Remember Rick got left on the bus and you had to chase it down so his dog wouldn't get upset? And then you rode the principal home like a horse? Good times.
It is called "Web Browser". Sort of like "Internet Explorer". It is mentioned it is Mozilla based since it helps people know about it with that mere mention.
It uses OpenOffice due to upstream, is my understanding. Here is hoping it is changed to LibreOffice soon.
Oh, and I want a real milkshake, you can keep that other crap.
Celtics are also in North Spain and much of Europe. I thought Celtic was Irish only as well, but Ruben Rodriguez, the founder who named it Trisquel is from North Spain and informed me on the history.
They needed a name since it was a fork. They wanted the name to signify the difference. One way is that libre implies not beholding as much to a proprietary company, in this case Oracle. What would you have named it, Free Office? What if that is taken? What if people think only that it means gratis? I can guarantee you the average office worker will think that.
Can you install abrowser on Ubuntu? My understanding it is done by Trisquel, but it is GPL'd so it is possible. You can still watch Flash videos, without Flash or Gnash on Trisquel. It is a joke to you since it would likely be better than Flash brand player if they could get the specs. There may be other enhancements. Does Debian use the libre kernel or a custom one?
Can you say that another way? It sounds like you are saying a more viable GNU system makes less severe the penalties of proprietary software. How so? If you use it, the "penalties" (whatever you mean by that) are still there...
GNU licenses are not a jail, unless you look at not being able to jail other people is a jail. If so, then stop reading.
The issues with Linux are largely the part of proprietary software vendors. The answer is to innovate past them.Progress is being made, but you have to admit the deck is stacked against freedom. You have to be "zealous" to not give up.
I thought at first you failed to see there are loonies everywhere, but then you above say that when you include Windows and OSX. I think you are just dissapointed there are loonies, and it is holding back progress. Me too, but those that have these in depth discussion do them because it must be done.
Yea, Windows "gets the job done". Only if that job is keeping you on a limited platform for control. You are right, they did you good. Those on a stable Linux OS get way more done, way easier. Sure, they may have to actually learn some commands in the tool (Linux) tool they are using, but that is true with any tool, whether it is a broom or a hammer. You can use it, but it's very possibly not the best way. Windows wants to hold your hand, so you always hammer or sweep like an ignorant idiot.
Cock punching is more of a "dedication to sound principles" thing than it is clever, it's true.
So is libre a dedication to sound principles. But you are so errant on hurting people in their genitalia, and probably in general you don't see you using another word would help people, SINCE it is a homophone, and one that applies to lost of software what means something other than the intent we are conversing about.
Headlines catch attention. It was written to catch the attention of those who care about libre software. We don't know how many submissions, if any you've had accepted since you are posting AC. So, your opinions are rightly weighted at a score of zero.
Don't listen to this person. "Free" according the to FSF is meant free as in speech, not free as in beer/cost. NOT both. He doesn't know what he is talking about. Libre is correct, and why it was used. If any random person read 100% free OS, they may think it was simply cost. But this person probably uses libre/free software, but has never advocated for it in his life, so therefore has not experience, or idea.
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Well, Linux is the kernel, we don't go around calling windows NT... I get both sides points, but if it wasn't for GNU, it is likely the world's software would be a much different place, and not for the better. Consider that Microsoft was selling NT I think it was for something like $800 in the early 90's and the home version for like $200, and the only difference was one dll file that allowed the http pipes to go from 10 to 50, which is something a business or office could use with lans. When you overwrote the home version's dll file with the NT, you got the same exact OS bit for bit. Maybe you disagree, but that highway robbery BS is just evil to me. I am glad you got a little history with GNU and Linus, it helps to make since of it all.
Had to look up your little acronym there... not sure why you used it as it doesn't save time. But anyhow, it is an upstream related thing, and will probably change in future releases. OO.org is still Libre, and it is easy to install and then uninstall OO.org if you wish.
I see where you are coming from. It is like MADD not wanting to discourage ANY drinking, instead of admitting drinking responsibly is ok and a right. And it is similar that the FSF will not endorse anything that is non-free. But that is there mission, whereas MADD's is about drinking, and then driving. Also, it doesn't make since to all but open a beer and hand it to someone if you are trying to discourage drinking and driving. And the FSF isn't endorsing anyone who hands you closed software in a neat little package. You want it, go get it.. just won't be endorsed. So, it does make since when you think about it.
Well, if you have the privacy tools/options available as you should (like not sharing data with anyone but say, friends) then that isn't as much an issue. My bank details are "published" but there is sufficient security that only I should be able to likely gain access. If my bank however sells my data, then it is an injustice if it is without my knowledge or permission, but they don't know everything about me the way Facebook might. And really, that is a whole other subject besides free/libre software. Related, but different.
One way that they are related is that you are subjugated. That is why the "jail" reference is meaningful. Because it help people understand in "plainer" English. People now often think it is okay to be subjugated with software, but mention jail, and they still understand that is something that is not right and that they don't want to be a part of. (usually)
It's about way more than being in a "jail". It's about privacy, security, etc. Even things like FaceBook are warned against, and if you tried to remove your data from certain services, good luck. In general, you are at the whims of a proprietary software maker and the only choice you have often is to use, or not to use. But even choosing not to use anymore doesn't mean irreparable damage hasn't already been done.
RMS has been using libre since at least 2007. Someone asked in another post when it came about. He didn't mention in a 2006 lecture, but he did in 2007.
AOL diskettes are usually a curse, like anything else that tends to get piled up. If I tell you there is free beer, you know exactly what is meant, no matter if you are a drunk college student, burnt out old drug user, or a Nobel Prize winner.
jspenkle, didn't you go to my highschool? Remember Rick got left on the bus and you had to chase it down so his dog wouldn't get upset? And then you rode the principal home like a horse? Good times.
Unity will not be in Trisquel, it has been confirmed, by default. You are correct, it keeps much of the stuff that makes Ubuntu successful...
It is called "Web Browser". Sort of like "Internet Explorer". It is mentioned it is Mozilla based since it helps people know about it with that mere mention.
It uses OpenOffice due to upstream, is my understanding. Here is hoping it is changed to LibreOffice soon.
Oh, and I want a real milkshake, you can keep that other crap.
Celtics are also in North Spain and much of Europe. I thought Celtic was Irish only as well, but Ruben Rodriguez, the founder who named it Trisquel is from North Spain and informed me on the history.
Well, it wasn't mentioned here in RMS's 2006 lecture. It is here with "free/libre" in 2007.
They needed a name since it was a fork. They wanted the name to signify the difference. One way is that libre implies not beholding as much to a proprietary company, in this case Oracle. What would you have named it, Free Office? What if that is taken? What if people think only that it means gratis? I can guarantee you the average office worker will think that.
Can you install abrowser on Ubuntu? My understanding it is done by Trisquel, but it is GPL'd so it is possible.
You can still watch Flash videos, without Flash or Gnash on Trisquel.
It is a joke to you since it would likely be better than Flash brand player if they could get the specs.
There may be other enhancements. Does Debian use the libre kernel or a custom one?
I don't need to compile anything to use old versions of anything. These days you can find old versions of any proprietary program via the Internet ....
Which will promptly be upgraded again as soon as you connect to the Internet...
I can't wait until they get the GNU voice released. That will be awesome!
Can you say that another way? It sounds like you are saying a more viable GNU system makes less severe the penalties of proprietary software. How so? If you use it, the "penalties" (whatever you mean by that) are still there...
GNU licenses are not a jail, unless you look at not being able to jail other people is a jail. If so, then stop reading.
The issues with Linux are largely the part of proprietary software vendors. The answer is to innovate past them.Progress is being made, but you have to admit the deck is stacked against freedom. You have to be "zealous" to not give up.
I thought at first you failed to see there are loonies everywhere, but then you above say that when you include Windows and OSX. I think you are just dissapointed there are loonies, and it is holding back progress. Me too, but those that have these in depth discussion do them because it must be done.
Yea, Windows "gets the job done". Only if that job is keeping you on a limited platform for control. You are right, they did you good. Those on a stable Linux OS get way more done, way easier. Sure, they may have to actually learn some commands in the tool (Linux) tool they are using, but that is true with any tool, whether it is a broom or a hammer. You can use it, but it's very possibly not the best way. Windows wants to hold your hand, so you always hammer or sweep like an ignorant idiot.
Cock punching is more of a "dedication to sound principles" thing than it is clever, it's true.
So is libre a dedication to sound principles. But you are so errant on hurting people in their genitalia, and probably in general you don't see you using another word would help people, SINCE it is a homophone, and one that applies to lost of software what means something other than the intent we are conversing about.
Headlines catch attention. It was written to catch the attention of those who care about libre software. We don't know how many submissions, if any you've had accepted since you are posting AC. So, your opinions are rightly weighted at a score of zero.
Don't listen to this person. "Free" according the to FSF is meant free as in speech, not free as in beer/cost. NOT both. He doesn't know what he is talking about. Libre is correct, and why it was used. If any random person read 100% free OS, they may think it was simply cost. But this person probably uses libre/free software, but has never advocated for it in his life, so therefore has not experience, or idea.
Good idea.