I think it will be interesting to read it. It will give developers insight into how things work at Microsoft. How they think.
If the protocol is bad and filled with bugs, then we will say "typical Microsoft". If it is reliable and clever, we will say "Hah! It must have been outsourced.."
Considering the percentages of *nixen out there, I feel pretty safe.
.. so UNIX is Y2K compliant? That's news to me. I know there are UNIX versions that are not Y2K compliant. I have been so fortunate to actually work on Y2K testing, and Solaris 2.5 needed to be patched.. but I do not know how extensive the bugs were.
Come on; there has to be many UNIX boxes running old OS versions out there. There are still people using dusty, old X-Terminals, for crying out loud.
Yea, great isn't it?.. Linux at home and quite a lot out there serving our connections.. I think it's 2038 or something that the 32-bit date field is good to under Linux isn't it?.. nice lot of time to move to a 64-bit architecture.
Well.. I'm no expert, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but the 32-bit date field error in 2038 is common to all UNIX'es because of the UNIX specifications, right?
The specs say that it should count the number of seconds since 1. January 1980, and it should all fit into 32 bits. So any code using this will probably get into trouble when it rolls over..
nice lot of time to move to a 64-bit architecture.
Well.. 38 years is a lot of time in the history of computers, but we shouldn't take anything for granted.
Currently, there exists a lot of 32-bit computers, and 32-bit computers will continue to be sold for a while. I think there is a big chance that many of these will still exist in 2038.
Here in Oslo, the capitol of Norway, we had a 75% solar eclipse. The result of a 75% solar eclipse is simply a banana shaped sun.. It may have been a little darker too, but the a cloud blocked the sun when the eclipse was at its peak, so it was hard to tell. All in all it was interesting to look at, but nothing spectacular.
Anyway; it was an excuse to take a break from work (Y2K testing).;-)
Someone once said; The Kennedys are the closest thing to a royal family the americans have. (or something similiar, anway..)
I'm sure many of you don't agree with that statement, but the fact is that many people need someone to look up to and admire. Many americans have selected the Kennedys for this.
In Europe, we have a lot of royal families that people use for this, but we also have our differences between generations. Personally, I don't care much about the royal family in Norway, where I live, but many people actually do. I have a hard time understanding why people care so much, but that's the way it is.
It's the same thing with religion.
Wasn't it Einstein who said something about the individual being smart and the masses being stupid?
I agree. It's strange that we tolerate PCs as they are now, but we would not even consider buying a TV or VCR that needed reinstallation of software every month, or if it crashed during The Simpsons.
(dark, eerie voice:) All they wanted to do was bring an extinct species back to life.. All they wanted to do was to give nature a second chance.. But something went wrong. Something went very wrong in the laboratory, which had fatal precussions... and now they're back.. The flesh-eating Huia birds from hell! Buahhahahahahahaahahha..
From director John Woo. Starring Bruce Willis as a farmer from New Zealand, and Gary Oldman as the master of the Huia-birds.
Callins? Ahem.. excuse me, but there are a lot of people in europe too, you know.. I really don't want to spend all my hard earned money on calling to USA (or perhaps I could call from work;)).
At least it should be possible to use some kind of internet-phone thingy.:-)
Considering the current legal difficulties Microsoft are in, I doubt (well.. it would be really stupid of them) that they would actually do what you say. It would just be another log on the fire (.. or another brick in the wall.. whatever).
Maybe it wouldn't make us good, but it would force us to obey certain rules. There are strict rules for how a lawyer or doctor must behave and what they can and cannot do.
I think a license could be very good for us.
I consider the ACM code of conduct to be a very good "pointer" to how we should behave.
Well.. I wouldn't care much for it, personally, but many people could save a fortune!
Schools could get the latest and best software and still have enough money to buy books:) People with strict budgets (read: poor or students) could be given a chance to buy software (and hardware) without living on bread and water the rest of the year.
I see possibilities here, but it's not something I would like personally. And I imagine people with slow internet connections wouldn't care much for it either..
Well.. I hope I won't be flamed for this, but he has a point (where's the fire extinguisher?) There are many people that treat linux like it was sacred, and doesn't have any flaws.
F.ex. when the mindcraft test was released, many people instantly denied it. The mindcraft test is a bad example, but what about the process/thread test where it was shown that WindowsNT actually handled forking and threading faster than linux (I'm sorry I don't have a reference, but I read about it in an LJ issue once). In this case it required a quick fix, but nevertheless it illustrates my point.
Linux is not perfect, and we have to accept that, but many refuse to.
I feel that there is a group of people that claim linux is the best and the only operatingsystem to use, but we have to keep objective and keep our minds open for other possibilities, or we will become known as short sighted nerds and hackers.
Damn. this actually brought a tear to my eye..:) My first computer was an Atari ST. Oh how I loved it. I should never have sold it..
I remember the day my dad bought it to me.. it had only a single sided disk drive (one of ataris mistakes) and no games whatsoever. Only a demo of a bouncing 3D ball. But! It came with a programminglanguage. Many evenings were spent drawing circles and boxes.
Finally I got some games.. Microprose Soccer was my favourite. Anyone remember Defender of the Crown?
This brings out another problem.. if someone does a similar test that shows f.ex. that Linux in fact is faster, it will without doubt be turned down if those who make the test somehow are related (directly or sponsored) to OpenSource or Linux.
Slashdot Mirror
I think it will be interesting to read it. It will give developers insight into how things work at Microsoft. How they think.
If the protocol is bad and filled with bugs, then we will say "typical Microsoft".
If it is reliable and clever, we will say "Hah! It must have been outsourced.."
.. ok.. so the net wont stop completely, but it will get slower because of fewer links. Oh goody.
Considering the percentages of *nixen out there, I feel pretty safe.
.. so UNIX is Y2K compliant?
That's news to me. I know there are UNIX versions that are not Y2K compliant. I have been so fortunate to actually work on Y2K testing, and Solaris 2.5 needed to be patched.. but I do not know how extensive the bugs were.
Come on; there has to be many UNIX boxes running old OS versions out there. There are still people using dusty, old X-Terminals, for crying out loud.
UNIX Y2K compliant? Don't count on it...
Yea, great isn't it? .. Linux at home and quite a lot out there serving our connections .. I think it's 2038 or something that the 32-bit date .. nice lot of time to move to a 64-bit architecture.
field is good to under Linux isn't it?
Well.. I'm no expert, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but the 32-bit date field error in 2038 is common to all UNIX'es because of the UNIX specifications, right?
The specs say that it should count the number of seconds since 1. January 1980, and it should all fit into 32 bits.
So any code using this will probably get into trouble when it rolls over..
nice lot of time to move to a 64-bit architecture.
Well.. 38 years is a lot of time in the history of computers, but we shouldn't take anything for granted.
Currently, there exists a lot of 32-bit computers, and 32-bit computers will continue to be sold for a while. I think there is a big chance that many of these will still exist in 2038.
.. until 2038, at least ;)
As opposed to Oslo, the capitol of... wyoming?
;)
:-D
I just wanted to protect myself from comments like; "Norway? Isn't that the capitol of Sweden?" or "Oslo? Isn't that north of Dallas?".
BTW: No; there are not polar-bears in the streets.
Var det noe mer du lurte på?
Here in Oslo, the capitol of Norway, we had a 75% solar eclipse. The result of a 75% solar eclipse is simply a banana shaped sun.. It may have been a little darker too, but the a cloud blocked the sun when the eclipse was at its peak, so it was hard to tell.
;-)
All in all it was interesting to look at, but nothing spectacular.
Anyway; it was an excuse to take a break from work (Y2K testing).
Does it run WinCE? ;-)
Someone once said; The Kennedys are the closest thing to a royal family the americans have. (or something similiar, anway..)
I'm sure many of you don't agree with that statement, but the fact is that many people need someone to look up to and admire.
Many americans have selected the Kennedys for this.
In Europe, we have a lot of royal families that people use for this, but we also have our differences between generations. Personally, I don't care much about the royal family in Norway, where I live, but many people actually do. I have a hard time understanding why people care so much, but that's the way it is.
It's the same thing with religion.
Wasn't it Einstein who said something about the individual being smart and the masses being stupid?
I agree. It's strange that we tolerate PCs as they are now, but we would not even consider buying a TV or VCR that needed reinstallation of software
every month, or if it crashed during The Simpsons.
Maybe the answer is to use IRC. SlashNET maybe?
;)
Yeah, that's a much better idea. Internet-phone over the atlantic is probably not such a good idea anyway
.. or perhaps mail-ins?
(dark, eerie voice:) All they wanted to do was bring an extinct species back to life.. All they wanted to do was to give nature a second chance.. .. and now they're back .. The flesh-eating Huia birds from hell! Buahhahahahahahaahahha..
But something went wrong. Something went very wrong in the laboratory, which had fatal precussions.
From director John Woo. Starring Bruce Willis as a farmer from New Zealand, and Gary Oldman as the master of the Huia-birds.
Coming soon to a park or forest near you.
and when are the callins going to begin ??
;)).
:-)
Callins? Ahem.. excuse me, but there are a lot of people in europe too, you know.. I really don't want to spend all my hard earned money on calling to USA (or perhaps I could call from work
At least it should be possible to use some kind of internet-phone thingy.
Considering the current legal difficulties Microsoft are in, I doubt (well.. it would be really stupid of them) that they would actually do what you say. It would just be another log on the fire (.. or another brick in the wall.. whatever).
Maybe it wouldn't make us good, but it would force us to obey certain rules. There are strict rules for how a lawyer or doctor must behave and what they can and cannot do.
I think a license could be very good for us.
I consider the ACM code of conduct to be a very good "pointer" to how we should behave.
vr
Yeah, you're right.. but it shouldn't be that way.. We should try to keep objective and not get emotional about stuff like this.
oh, well.. *sigh*
vr
Well.. I wouldn't care much for it, personally, but many people could save a fortune!
:)
Schools could get the latest and best software and still have enough money to buy books
People with strict budgets (read: poor or students) could be given a chance to buy software (and hardware) without living on bread and water the rest of the year.
I see possibilities here, but it's not something I would like personally. And I imagine people with slow internet connections wouldn't care much for it either..
vr
Well.. I hope I won't be flamed for this, but he has a point (where's the fire extinguisher?)
There are many people that treat linux like it was sacred, and doesn't have any flaws.
F.ex. when the mindcraft test was released, many people instantly denied it.
The mindcraft test is a bad example, but what about the process/thread test where it was shown that WindowsNT actually handled forking and threading faster than linux (I'm sorry I don't have a reference, but I read about it in an LJ issue once). In this case it required a quick fix, but nevertheless it illustrates my point.
Linux is not perfect, and we have to accept that, but many refuse to.
I feel that there is a group of people that claim linux is the best and the only operatingsystem to use, but we have to keep objective and keep our minds open for other possibilities, or we will become known as short sighted nerds and hackers.
vr
Yes it did. And it was great! :-) :'-)
Well.. it may not have been that good, but I'd like to rember it that way..
Damn. this actually brought a tear to my eye.. :)
:-)
My first computer was an Atari ST. Oh how I loved it. I should never have sold it..
I remember the day my dad bought it to me.. it had only a single sided disk drive (one of ataris mistakes) and no games whatsoever. Only a demo of a bouncing 3D ball.
But! It came with a programminglanguage.
Many evenings were spent drawing circles and boxes.
Finally I got some games.. Microprose Soccer was my favourite. Anyone remember Defender of the Crown?
aaahh.. those were the days
vr
This brings out another problem.. if someone does a similar test that shows f.ex. that Linux in fact is faster, it will without doubt be turned down if those who make the test somehow are related (directly or sponsored) to OpenSource or Linux.
vr
My company is named Slashdot Software!
I command you to give me your hostname!"
It is obviously a misprint. Amazon.co.uk lists it as approx. 15 pounds.
Check it out.
vr