Citation needed. It seems there are at least two cases of this happening at different stores. You're telling me in both cases it was Iranian clerks? That's a pretty astounding claim. It also doesn't correlate with the fact she was apparently asked what language it was - which should have been obvious if you were telling the truth.
So if McDonalds tells you they can't serve you because you are black, you'd go to Burger King and just shrug at the situation? Yeah..., sounds like someone who has no idea what it means to be singled out.
"It's not Apple Retail's issue since they were not conducting a transaction involving an export from the US. What happens to the iPad once it leaves the store isn't their concern."
Which is why the law doesn't apply here, and why it is simply ignorance and arrogance from Apple. What I find really shocking is the people here rushing to defend them with false claims. Stay at least a little classy, Mac users...
Then show me some cases of this happening with other large electronics stores - actually, show me enough that it cancels out the small market share of Apple stores. Then you can claim it's just those evil Apple haters singling you out.
Yeah, right. Which is why we hear this out of Walmart, Target, Best Buy, and all the other electronics-selling stores constantly, which sell orders of magnitude more than Apple stores do. No, sorry, this is Apple-specific. Take the blinders off.
Refusing to sell a piece of electronics to Iranians because they might send it to Iran seems like racism to me, but I guess I must be some kind of insane political-correctness person. Yeah, that sounds about right... (read previous posts of mine if this doesn't sound enough like irony).
If you're buying from Apple, I think it's fair to say you're not really thinking to begin with. However, I just find this astounding. This wouldn't happen at the hickish farming supply store here in the deep south if someone speaking Farsi bought a half a ton of fertilizer - why is it happening in a store which sells to people who at least think themselves to be progressives? It seems like death to their company image unless the reality distortion field gets turned up to 11.
Iranian, maybe? Does it matter? You hear someone speaking another language, demand to know what country they are from, and then refuse them service because they are from the wrong one. That is racism - pure and simple - none of the usual complexities.
That is somewhat hard to do. The only proof possible is either a developer stating that is the case, or to take lack of attempts to get the game past the censorship board as proof. I am sure I could find cases of the second, but that is poor proof and you'd just ignore it anyway. Instead, I think it simply stands to reason that if you ban even 25 games, it is likely many smaller companies will not even bother trying to get theirs past the censorship.
Further - do you think it being only 25 makes it OK? Is banning books alright if I only ban 10? Is censoring the internet alright if I only block 1% of sites? Do you think the small number makes you better than, you know, the United States, where we actually have protected speech and fight for it? I am not completely sure on Britain, but I have heard of no such censorship out of either them or Canada. How does that make my original statement about Australia being the most screwed up country in the English speaking world false on this topic, when they are the only country in it to employ this censorship at all?
"you mean that proposed legislation that never passed into law?"
Because of the protests of people around the world against it? Given, this is a case where Australia is not alone (Britain is trying), but they were the first, and their proposed law was still the worst.
Again, does it make it OK that it wasn't passed, despite that barely being the case?
I don't hold anything against Australians, but your government is screwed up, and I don't think forcing everyone to vote is disconnected from that. If you want to go online and start spouting off about how your voting system is the best, you need to deal with the fact most people see some issues in your brand of democracy and would prefer what they have, which is working a damn lot better from where I am standing.
"What bugs me to no end is people who feel entitled to something but do not want to take the responsibility for it. Yes, guns are dangerous and yes, they can not only kill but also, as we can see here, cause a lot of other troubles."
Political speech can also kill and cause a lot of other problems, which is why your line of thinking makes me as sick as the people who claim "free speech doesn't mean no responsibility" - which, of course, is just a ploy to claim you have free speech when you in fact do not. Go to Europe if you're OK with rights being taken away by majority vote, stay the fuck out of my country.
The Darwin Award is strictly for people whose genes never propagate in cases where that is the preferred outcome. Basically, people too stupid for their own good. I highly doubt one of the first computer scientists falls under that category.
"Australia to pass ratings. that's not 25 recently released games. that's 25 games that have ever been made. while i don't agree with censored content, 25 is nowhere close to a majority of games that currently exist."
And how many more were simply not considered to be brought to the country? Yet I still must be trolling and/or have my head up my ass, despite you agreeing? What crack are you smoking and where can I get some?
"such as?"
The great firewall of Australia? Sorry, that's all I have off hand, I don't pay attention to the country much, precisely because it is screwed up and I have little reason to care. But it does irk me when people say that they somehow have a better system when, demonstrably, they do not. At the very best you can claim it is the same.
False. Completely false. The drivers for different cards are always the same, as long as they are supported. You are referring to differences in the card BIOS - which has nothing to do with the driver. Unlocking disabled features is not done via a driver, but via overriding memory registers in the card during runtime with an external program, or permanently altering the BIOS (after which it will have the features enabled, no matter what OS it runs on or drivers it uses). Documenting the API would not change anything since the information on how to enable unused card functionality is already well-known and widely used. Not sure how you got modded up.
...it takes approximately an hour and an internet connection. Further, it's not just a massive edit war, it's a multi-directional war in which a few sides always seem to out-gun the other. Whoever has more administrators on their side ultimately end up deciding what happens. The only good thing is that there is very little large-scale coherency, so the bias is more random noise than outright propaganda. However, there are some wide reaching factions (inclusionists and deletionists) which do serve to screw things up in their own ways, not to mention the higher ups have proven incompetent and unreliable in many cases.
Unfortunately, this all doesn't make wikipedia that much worse than anything else. In a way, it makes people assume what they are reading might have been fiddled with, which is, I think, good. Blind faith in any source of information, no matter how reliable, is bad. That people learn to treat at least wikipedia as a useful but not fully reliable source of information means they might learn to do so elsewhere.
"It's not, but if it were to be developed, by government-funded research, they'd cry about the massive unemployment."
Don't worry. They'd sell the taxpayer funded research to the highest bidder, to allow them to strangle the market for the technology with patents. There would be no need for any worry about post-scarcity economics, since we have already shown that scarcity will be legally enforced by those who currently profit from it if it ceases to exist. That's why we have copyright.
Everything is a conspiracy, eh? Anything bad that happens proves Obama is evil and/or incompetent. Anything good that happens proves he is just manipulating the American people. You know, these arguments are basically the same but inverted as the ones given for why an all powerful god would allow evil to exist... ie, not coherent internally, even ignoring the lack of evidence which would be required to take them as fact.
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Citation needed. It seems there are at least two cases of this happening at different stores. You're telling me in both cases it was Iranian clerks? That's a pretty astounding claim. It also doesn't correlate with the fact she was apparently asked what language it was - which should have been obvious if you were telling the truth.
Apologize more.
So if McDonalds tells you they can't serve you because you are black, you'd go to Burger King and just shrug at the situation? Yeah..., sounds like someone who has no idea what it means to be singled out.
"It's not Apple Retail's issue since they were not conducting a transaction involving an export from the US. What happens to the iPad once it leaves the store isn't their concern."
Which is why the law doesn't apply here, and why it is simply ignorance and arrogance from Apple. What I find really shocking is the people here rushing to defend them with false claims. Stay at least a little classy, Mac users...
Then show me some cases of this happening with other large electronics stores - actually, show me enough that it cancels out the small market share of Apple stores. Then you can claim it's just those evil Apple haters singling you out.
Yeah, right. Which is why we hear this out of Walmart, Target, Best Buy, and all the other electronics-selling stores constantly, which sell orders of magnitude more than Apple stores do. No, sorry, this is Apple-specific. Take the blinders off.
Flamebait? I can see some Apple fans got mod points today and would like to censor.
Refusing to sell a piece of electronics to Iranians because they might send it to Iran seems like racism to me, but I guess I must be some kind of insane political-correctness person. Yeah, that sounds about right... (read previous posts of mine if this doesn't sound enough like irony).
If you're buying from Apple, I think it's fair to say you're not really thinking to begin with. However, I just find this astounding. This wouldn't happen at the hickish farming supply store here in the deep south if someone speaking Farsi bought a half a ton of fertilizer - why is it happening in a store which sells to people who at least think themselves to be progressives? It seems like death to their company image unless the reality distortion field gets turned up to 11.
Iranian, maybe? Does it matter? You hear someone speaking another language, demand to know what country they are from, and then refuse them service because they are from the wrong one. That is racism - pure and simple - none of the usual complexities.
Lawsuit of the year incoming! Raw, unbridled racism from Apple, which is apparently company policy. Think different, indeed.
The point is that people did the exact thing you said they might as well do. Which means they might as well do this, by your argument.
"try and find a single example."
That is somewhat hard to do. The only proof possible is either a developer stating that is the case, or to take lack of attempts to get the game past the censorship board as proof. I am sure I could find cases of the second, but that is poor proof and you'd just ignore it anyway. Instead, I think it simply stands to reason that if you ban even 25 games, it is likely many smaller companies will not even bother trying to get theirs past the censorship.
Further - do you think it being only 25 makes it OK? Is banning books alright if I only ban 10? Is censoring the internet alright if I only block 1% of sites? Do you think the small number makes you better than, you know, the United States, where we actually have protected speech and fight for it? I am not completely sure on Britain, but I have heard of no such censorship out of either them or Canada. How does that make my original statement about Australia being the most screwed up country in the English speaking world false on this topic, when they are the only country in it to employ this censorship at all?
"you mean that proposed legislation that never passed into law?"
Because of the protests of people around the world against it? Given, this is a case where Australia is not alone (Britain is trying), but they were the first, and their proposed law was still the worst.
Again, does it make it OK that it wasn't passed, despite that barely being the case?
I don't hold anything against Australians, but your government is screwed up, and I don't think forcing everyone to vote is disconnected from that. If you want to go online and start spouting off about how your voting system is the best, you need to deal with the fact most people see some issues in your brand of democracy and would prefer what they have, which is working a damn lot better from where I am standing.
You obviously do not watch the news. Hint: look up Syria and Libya. Educate yourself.
"What bugs me to no end is people who feel entitled to something but do not want to take the responsibility for it. Yes, guns are dangerous and yes, they can not only kill but also, as we can see here, cause a lot of other troubles."
Political speech can also kill and cause a lot of other problems, which is why your line of thinking makes me as sick as the people who claim "free speech doesn't mean no responsibility" - which, of course, is just a ploy to claim you have free speech when you in fact do not. Go to Europe if you're OK with rights being taken away by majority vote, stay the fuck out of my country.
Ban cooking meat, obviously. Only rational response!
So you're ok with limiting the 2nd, but not with the 1st? Ah, right. Double standards.
Yeah, because no one ever undertook that exact effort. Archaeologists the world over just wrung their hands at it.
The Darwin Award is strictly for people whose genes never propagate in cases where that is the preferred outcome. Basically, people too stupid for their own good. I highly doubt one of the first computer scientists falls under that category.
murder is so much more interesting!
"Australia to pass ratings. that's not 25 recently released games. that's 25 games that have ever been made. while i don't agree with censored content, 25 is nowhere close to a majority of games that currently exist."
And how many more were simply not considered to be brought to the country? Yet I still must be trolling and/or have my head up my ass, despite you agreeing? What crack are you smoking and where can I get some?
"such as?"
The great firewall of Australia? Sorry, that's all I have off hand, I don't pay attention to the country much, precisely because it is screwed up and I have little reason to care. But it does irk me when people say that they somehow have a better system when, demonstrably, they do not. At the very best you can claim it is the same.
So NVIDA's product is the driver, and the card is just an extra? Ok, they can go out of business. (Or not, since it isn't, and you're full of shit.)
False. Completely false. The drivers for different cards are always the same, as long as they are supported. You are referring to differences in the card BIOS - which has nothing to do with the driver. Unlocking disabled features is not done via a driver, but via overriding memory registers in the card during runtime with an external program, or permanently altering the BIOS (after which it will have the features enabled, no matter what OS it runs on or drivers it uses). Documenting the API would not change anything since the information on how to enable unused card functionality is already well-known and widely used. Not sure how you got modded up.
...it takes approximately an hour and an internet connection. Further, it's not just a massive edit war, it's a multi-directional war in which a few sides always seem to out-gun the other. Whoever has more administrators on their side ultimately end up deciding what happens. The only good thing is that there is very little large-scale coherency, so the bias is more random noise than outright propaganda. However, there are some wide reaching factions (inclusionists and deletionists) which do serve to screw things up in their own ways, not to mention the higher ups have proven incompetent and unreliable in many cases.
Unfortunately, this all doesn't make wikipedia that much worse than anything else. In a way, it makes people assume what they are reading might have been fiddled with, which is, I think, good. Blind faith in any source of information, no matter how reliable, is bad. That people learn to treat at least wikipedia as a useful but not fully reliable source of information means they might learn to do so elsewhere.
"It's not, but if it were to be developed, by government-funded research, they'd cry about the massive unemployment."
Don't worry. They'd sell the taxpayer funded research to the highest bidder, to allow them to strangle the market for the technology with patents. There would be no need for any worry about post-scarcity economics, since we have already shown that scarcity will be legally enforced by those who currently profit from it if it ceases to exist. That's why we have copyright.
Everything is a conspiracy, eh? Anything bad that happens proves Obama is evil and/or incompetent. Anything good that happens proves he is just manipulating the American people. You know, these arguments are basically the same but inverted as the ones given for why an all powerful god would allow evil to exist... ie, not coherent internally, even ignoring the lack of evidence which would be required to take them as fact.