I suppose you have a point, the republicans will carry texas probably no matter what.
But, may I ask, how come these people should not be voting? Because they are democrats? Because they go against the norm of the community? We cannot simply dismiss votes because they are different; that, sir, goes against what this country stands for.
Now you say if the machines are inhibiting republican votes, it would somehow be more serious then it is now. How come this is any different? Peoples votes are being changed! Their view points are not being registered! That is a situation that needs to be looked into -- regardless of what party is being benifited.
Finally, you suggest that it is only a serious problem when it is detrimental to "The Party". What are more concerned about: the party or your personal liberties?
Just to be obnoxious, or maybe just to tell you something, the U.S. Constitution isn't amended with Copyright laws; or any other laws for that matter. Laws are put into service via the terms written into the constitution however the constitution isn't changed.
One can add amendments by introducing it, then having a vote with all the states. If it passes by a 2/3's vote, it becomes an amendment.
Actually, this is a pretty big deal. When ever I have tried to uninstall toolbars in the past, from computer impaired relatives' systems, it was difficult, to say the least. I have no tried the IE7 removal yet, primarily because I haven't had the chance. But by the screenshots it looks much easier then in the past.
Does the remove toolbar reset the local hosts file to it's original state when a toolbar hijacks it? I don't know for sure, but I'll guess no.
I am not sure either, so I cannot comment on that. It would also be a good thing to find out if it completely cleansed the host file. I have had to modify my hosts file once or twice legitimately and I don't want to constantly write to the hosts file after every reset.
Can you install IE7 on Win2k or 9x? No? So are these people expected to buy a new OS because their web browser sucks?
No, they should use firefox.
What about those toolbars that replace OS files, install services, or actually shut down your anti-spyware? Is all of that fixed?
Once again, I am not sure. It would be a good thing to find out by asking the IE team.
What about the annoying Flash pop-ups not blocked by the IE pop-up blocker? Can I install grease monkey or Adblock to stop them?
If you are trying to install a Mozilla extensions, such as AdBlock, to block advertisements in Internet Explorer I don't think so. However, there are applications that will block advertisements and pop ups in Internet Explorer which users can install.
Now ask yourself how many of these toolbars people actually want or use. I look at a ton of business and home desktops every day, and I have never met anyone who wants or uses some of these Cool Web Search, Home Search Assistant, Starware, etc. toolbars. Google, MSN, and Yahoo *sometimes*. So if nobody wants them, and some of them perform malicious actions on your PC, why does the browser allow them to install? The Microsoft attitude is "These spyware people are connected to the global mass marketing machine, so we cannot offend them. We had better let them install their software first, then remove it if too many people complain". Intrusive marketing companies are held in higher regard by Microsoft than their own OS users.
I believe this issue was cleared up in previous posts. Microsoft seems to be a honey pot for Anti-Trust law suits. If Microsoft were to disable all toolbars from being installed one can expect a flurry of lawsuits heading their way.
Now, in high school I took an economics class as required by state law. We learned about forms of money, how banks work, micro and macro economic theories. It was pretty interesting, actually, no not really. But if you look at a Supply and Demand curve, when demand is low usually supply is high, which one can assume is the case in this instance. But, with such a high surplus of products, in this case toolbars, the price of the product would be driven so low that suppliers cannot make money. This leads me to believe that at least some people actually want toolbars and not just Google, Yahoo, or MSN's.
One should take that logic with a grain of salt, simply due to the ethics of the companies who install toolbars without the consumer's knowledge or consent. But for legitimate developers people must want their products.
My opinion is that cleaning up a mess which is only possible in their own web browser, Microsoft is not being proactive on security. It's an insufficient reaction at best.
Reactionary practices are not always that bad. Yes, I am a firm believer in actually securing a computer making sure it doesn't get exploited to begin with, but take the U.S.'s reaction to Pearl Harbor. It was reactionary, didn't happen immediately, and was pretty effective.
A proactive security measure might be to A) Further limit the scope of what the "install on demand" system can actual
Hmm, thats not entirely what I meant.
I was trying to say that many people are ranting about how bad IE is, whereas yesterday they where accepting it as reasonable. Thats all.
First off, I for one can't wait for the new Internet Explorer. The new transparent PNG and CSS support will finally make cross browser compatibility a, slim, possibility! The older versions of Internet Explorer where horrible at both and made any site much more difficult to code.
Secondly, as I have read the comments for this story I have noticed a general change in mood from yesterday's article concerning toolbars. Yesterday the general assembly of "slashdotters" was remarkably pro-Microsoft, whereas now, it seems like it is the usual Microsoft screws up this, Microsoft screws up that, etc. etc.
Even though the articles are completely different, it is kind of interesting to see how the reactions differ, especially in the span of 24 hours.
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The problem with your statement in relation to the article is that Anyweb, intentionally installed every single toolbar that ended up corrupting his browser. I do not doubt your statements about how websites install toolbars without permission nor do I doubt that this is a problem. So, personally, I think you are right. Microsoft has issues with security, everybody knows that.
But simply put, due to the manner in which the author installed the toolbars, and the great lengths he went to do so (in some cases actually downloading the installer via FireFox) this article should not be used as a gauge of whether or not the Internet Explorer team has a lot of work left on their hands or not. Clearly they still have some work left as IE7 in still in beta stage and as the article pointed out IE turns of protection mode for the rest of the browsing experience once a toolbar is installed.
I think this that this article shows that Microsoft has, in fact, taken security seriously for a change. The author had to click warning dialogues multiple times to install a single tool bar. Though any windows user can install the toolbars, I would not be surprised if many get too bored or worried after facing, seemingly, endless warnings. And also, assuming a user does make a "mistake" and installs a toolbar, they can simply remove it from the system with a couple of clicks of the mouse, which is much, much, easier then before.
That is true, but I think what they have now is an ever growing problem. Actors want to avoid the paparazzi, and the paparazzi will do anything to actually get the photos.
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Wow, screwed up the formatting on *that* one!
I suppose you have a point, the republicans will carry texas probably no matter what. But, may I ask, how come these people should not be voting? Because they are democrats? Because they go against the norm of the community? We cannot simply dismiss votes because they are different; that, sir, goes against what this country stands for. Now you say if the machines are inhibiting republican votes, it would somehow be more serious then it is now. How come this is any different? Peoples votes are being changed! Their view points are not being registered! That is a situation that needs to be looked into -- regardless of what party is being benifited. Finally, you suggest that it is only a serious problem when it is detrimental to "The Party". What are more concerned about: the party or your personal liberties?
The same thing is happening in texas. News Report
She is just jealous....
You *clearly* haven't watched President Bush speak, have you?
Just to be obnoxious, or maybe just to tell you something, the U.S. Constitution isn't amended with Copyright laws; or any other laws for that matter. Laws are put into service via the terms written into the constitution however the constitution isn't changed. One can add amendments by introducing it, then having a vote with all the states. If it passes by a 2/3's vote, it becomes an amendment.
Ok the toolbars can be removed, big whoop.
Actually, this is a pretty big deal. When ever I have tried to uninstall toolbars in the past, from computer impaired relatives' systems, it was difficult, to say the least. I have no tried the IE7 removal yet, primarily because I haven't had the chance. But by the screenshots it looks much easier then in the past.
Does the remove toolbar reset the local hosts file to it's original state when a toolbar hijacks it? I don't know for sure, but I'll guess no.
I am not sure either, so I cannot comment on that. It would also be a good thing to find out if it completely cleansed the host file. I have had to modify my hosts file once or twice legitimately and I don't want to constantly write to the hosts file after every reset.
Can you install IE7 on Win2k or 9x? No? So are these people expected to buy a new OS because their web browser sucks?
No, they should use firefox.
What about those toolbars that replace OS files, install services, or actually shut down your anti-spyware? Is all of that fixed?
Once again, I am not sure. It would be a good thing to find out by asking the IE team.
What about the annoying Flash pop-ups not blocked by the IE pop-up blocker? Can I install grease monkey or Adblock to stop them?
If you are trying to install a Mozilla extensions, such as AdBlock, to block advertisements in Internet Explorer I don't think so. However, there are applications that will block advertisements and pop ups in Internet Explorer which users can install.
Now ask yourself how many of these toolbars people actually want or use. I look at a ton of business and home desktops every day, and I have never met anyone who wants or uses some of these Cool Web Search, Home Search Assistant, Starware, etc. toolbars. Google, MSN, and Yahoo *sometimes*. So if nobody wants them, and some of them perform malicious actions on your PC, why does the browser allow them to install? The Microsoft attitude is "These spyware people are connected to the global mass marketing machine, so we cannot offend them. We had better let them install their software first, then remove it if too many people complain". Intrusive marketing companies are held in higher regard by Microsoft than their own OS users.
I believe this issue was cleared up in previous posts. Microsoft seems to be a honey pot for Anti-Trust law suits. If Microsoft were to disable all toolbars from being installed one can expect a flurry of lawsuits heading their way.
Now, in high school I took an economics class as required by state law. We learned about forms of money, how banks work, micro and macro economic theories. It was pretty interesting, actually, no not really. But if you look at a Supply and Demand curve, when demand is low usually supply is high, which one can assume is the case in this instance. But, with such a high surplus of products, in this case toolbars, the price of the product would be driven so low that suppliers cannot make money. This leads me to believe that at least some people actually want toolbars and not just Google, Yahoo, or MSN's.
One should take that logic with a grain of salt, simply due to the ethics of the companies who install toolbars without the consumer's knowledge or consent. But for legitimate developers people must want their products.
My opinion is that cleaning up a mess which is only possible in their own web browser, Microsoft is not being proactive on security. It's an insufficient reaction at best.
Reactionary practices are not always that bad. Yes, I am a firm believer in actually securing a computer making sure it doesn't get exploited to begin with, but take the U.S.'s reaction to Pearl Harbor. It was reactionary, didn't happen immediately, and was pretty effective.
A proactive security measure might be to A) Further limit the scope of what the "install on demand" system can actual
Hmm, thats not entirely what I meant. I was trying to say that many people are ranting about how bad IE is, whereas yesterday they where accepting it as reasonable. Thats all.
First off, I for one can't wait for the new Internet Explorer. The new transparent PNG and CSS support will finally make cross browser compatibility a, slim, possibility! The older versions of Internet Explorer where horrible at both and made any site much more difficult to code. Secondly, as I have read the comments for this story I have noticed a general change in mood from yesterday's article concerning toolbars. Yesterday the general assembly of "slashdotters" was remarkably pro-Microsoft, whereas now, it seems like it is the usual Microsoft screws up this, Microsoft screws up that, etc. etc. Even though the articles are completely different, it is kind of interesting to see how the reactions differ, especially in the span of 24 hours.
The problem with your statement in relation to the article is that Anyweb, intentionally installed every single toolbar that ended up corrupting his browser. I do not doubt your statements about how websites install toolbars without permission nor do I doubt that this is a problem. So, personally, I think you are right. Microsoft has issues with security, everybody knows that.
But simply put, due to the manner in which the author installed the toolbars, and the great lengths he went to do so (in some cases actually downloading the installer via FireFox) this article should not be used as a gauge of whether or not the Internet Explorer team has a lot of work left on their hands or not. Clearly they still have some work left as IE7 in still in beta stage and as the article pointed out IE turns of protection mode for the rest of the browsing experience once a toolbar is installed.
I think this that this article shows that Microsoft has, in fact, taken security seriously for a change. The author had to click warning dialogues multiple times to install a single tool bar. Though any windows user can install the toolbars, I would not be surprised if many get too bored or worried after facing, seemingly, endless warnings. And also, assuming a user does make a "mistake" and installs a toolbar, they can simply remove it from the system with a couple of clicks of the mouse, which is much, much, easier then before.
That is true, but I think what they have now is an ever growing problem. Actors want to avoid the paparazzi, and the paparazzi will do anything to actually get the photos.