Your nickname says a lot. It's ignorant self absorbed fuckers like you that got us in this mess in the first place. Get out of your mom's basement and see the real world - maybe, just maybe, you'll understand it a little better. And no, 2nd life does not count as the real world.
You may find more opportunities in your field in research instead. What I have in mind is REU, Research Experiences for Undergraduate, a program sponsored by the NSF. There are many sites in the US - but there are also many abroad. My roommate spent a summer at CERN, loved it so much, spend the following semester there as well. Receiving a stipend, instead of paying for courses, is nice too.
If you need credit, I'm sure you can talk to a professor to sponsor you for independent study credit.
Then they don't need to show you anything and can ignore your request - especially if the ShowMyPC program and VNC "communicate at arms length, that they are not combined in a way that would make them effectively a single program." On their page they don't say it is a GPL program, but based on open source programs.
ShowMyPC should have a page like this that explains how they do not violate GPL http://www.crossloop.com/VNC.html
What's most relevant to this topic is probably this.
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCGPLInP roprietarySystem
I'd like to incorporate GPL-covered software in my proprietary system. Can I do this?
You cannot incorporate GPL-covered software in a proprietary system. The goal of the GPL is to grant everyone the freedom to copy, redistribute, understand, and modify a program. If you could incorporate GPL-covered software into a non-free system, it would have the effect of making the GPL-covered software non-free too.
A system incorporating a GPL-covered program is an extended version of that program. The GPL says that any extended version of the program must be released under the GPL if it is released at all. This is for two reasons: to make sure that users who get the software get the freedom they should have, and to encourage people to give back improvements that they make.
However, in many cases you can distribute the GPL-covered software alongside your proprietary system. To do this validly, you must make sure that the free and non-free programs communicate at arms length, that they are not combined in a way that would make them effectively a single program.
The difference between this and "incorporating" the GPL-covered software is partly a matter of substance and partly form. The substantive part is this: if the two programs are combined so that they become effectively two parts of one program, then you can't treat them as two separate programs. So the GPL has to cover the whole thing.
If the two programs remain well separated, like the compiler and the kernel, or like an editor and a shell, then you can treat them as two separate programs--but you have to do it properly. The issue is simply one of form: how you describe what you are doing. Why do we care about this? Because we want to make sure the users clearly understand the free status of the GPL-covered software in the collection.
If people were to distribute GPL-covered software calling it "part of" a system that users know is partly proprietary, users might be uncertain of their rights regarding the GPL-covered software. But if they know that what they have received is a free program plus another program, side by side, their rights will be clear.
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Maybe the poster was Mark Zuckerberg. If portfolio.com is not going to post wrong information, surely slashdot will.
Considering Zuck did work with them, I'd say there's merit. But forget about that. Lets just look at defense for Zuckerberg..
First, even if he stole all the code, Facebook's interface has changed a lot in the past 4 years so yeah, a company that makes millions of dollars per week better probably will not have the same interface as a site created in a dorm room.
Second, it's not all about looks. Assuming connectU used a 3-tier archiecture (most likely, I can't say for sure) Zuck could have stolen the database and logic tiers and created his own interface, because people would just look at the interface and say it's not the same, he didn't steal it. Considering that I can steal your interface by going to View -> Source, I'd say the interface isn't worth as much. I personally spend the least time coding web interface and more on the backend.
This isn't the only lawsuit concerning stolen code...for a social network. Google's socal network, Orkut has been accused of using stolen code from Affinity Engines http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2004/06/64 046. Google denies it, when your code has he exact same bugs...there's probably merit.
I read a few weeks ago Craiglists has a revenue of $10million per year with a company of 25 people. I'm sure Craig Newman and his employes are happy or else they wouldn't be doing it.
Invetors and banks aren't happy because they can't get a slice of the pie and can't create something themselves to do it.
At the University of Florida, it's not atypical to have classes of over 200 students, especially the business area. To accomodate this, videos of course, are recorded and posted online. You can always watch the professor live, but most students opt to watch the lectures 2 days before the exam.
From an engineering side, many students do distance learning. The notes and lectures are recorded, and put online. There is an extra fee to do distance learning, and it's to pay for the equipment and staff to do the recording. Luckily, if you are a student that attends the class, and it is part of distance learning, you get access to all the material. Many times I would watch parts of a clip over and over because my handwriting sucked, teacher went too fast, I was asleep, or whatever. If a professor is willing to take his/her time to do this, and they are not compensated by the school, I'd pay a minimal fee for them.
Hell, get 10 of your buddies, buy 1 copy and copy it. Stick it to em!
I got a cellphone plan from Amazon last August that came with a $200 rebate. 11 months and 4 phone calls later, with a promise for sending it to me every time, I am still empty handed.
Sh!t happens, but when you're down $200 bucks, I don't think you'll like rebates as much.
If you've actually done 50 rebates then, you should know about Staples easy rebates. You don't have to mail in anything and you get your money in 2 weeks. The other companies are just slow.
Not what I'd call optimistic. sigh
Put your shoes in the average Windows user. Would you want some alien OS you'll probably never use taking up precious storage space on your hard drive (assuming duel boot)?
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Your nickname says a lot. It's ignorant self absorbed fuckers like you that got us in this mess in the first place. Get out of your mom's basement and see the real world - maybe, just maybe, you'll understand it a little better. And no, 2nd life does not count as the real world.
You may find more opportunities in your field in research instead. What I have in mind is REU, Research Experiences for Undergraduate, a program sponsored by the NSF. There are many sites in the US - but there are also many abroad. My roommate spent a summer at CERN, loved it so much, spend the following semester there as well. Receiving a stipend, instead of paying for courses, is nice too. If you need credit, I'm sure you can talk to a professor to sponsor you for independent study credit.
Then they don't need to show you anything and can ignore your request - especially if the ShowMyPC program and VNC "communicate at arms length, that they are not combined in a way that would make them effectively a single program." On their page they don't say it is a GPL program, but based on open source programs. ShowMyPC should have a page like this that explains how they do not violate GPL http://www.crossloop.com/VNC.html What's most relevant to this topic is probably this. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCGPLInP roprietarySystem
I'd like to incorporate GPL-covered software in my proprietary system. Can I do this?
You cannot incorporate GPL-covered software in a proprietary system. The goal of the GPL is to grant everyone the freedom to copy, redistribute, understand, and modify a program. If you could incorporate GPL-covered software into a non-free system, it would have the effect of making the GPL-covered software non-free too.
A system incorporating a GPL-covered program is an extended version of that program. The GPL says that any extended version of the program must be released under the GPL if it is released at all. This is for two reasons: to make sure that users who get the software get the freedom they should have, and to encourage people to give back improvements that they make.
However, in many cases you can distribute the GPL-covered software alongside your proprietary system. To do this validly, you must make sure that the free and non-free programs communicate at arms length, that they are not combined in a way that would make them effectively a single program.
The difference between this and "incorporating" the GPL-covered software is partly a matter of substance and partly form. The substantive part is this: if the two programs are combined so that they become effectively two parts of one program, then you can't treat them as two separate programs. So the GPL has to cover the whole thing.
If the two programs remain well separated, like the compiler and the kernel, or like an editor and a shell, then you can treat them as two separate programs--but you have to do it properly. The issue is simply one of form: how you describe what you are doing. Why do we care about this? Because we want to make sure the users clearly understand the free status of the GPL-covered software in the collection.
If people were to distribute GPL-covered software calling it "part of" a system that users know is partly proprietary, users might be uncertain of their rights regarding the GPL-covered software. But if they know that what they have received is a free program plus another program, side by side, their rights will be clear.
Maybe the poster was Mark Zuckerberg. If portfolio.com is not going to post wrong information, surely slashdot will.
Considering Zuck did work with them, I'd say there's merit. But forget about that. Lets just look at defense for Zuckerberg.. First, even if he stole all the code, Facebook's interface has changed a lot in the past 4 years so yeah, a company that makes millions of dollars per week better probably will not have the same interface as a site created in a dorm room. Second, it's not all about looks. Assuming connectU used a 3-tier archiecture (most likely, I can't say for sure) Zuck could have stolen the database and logic tiers and created his own interface, because people would just look at the interface and say it's not the same, he didn't steal it. Considering that I can steal your interface by going to View -> Source, I'd say the interface isn't worth as much. I personally spend the least time coding web interface and more on the backend. This isn't the only lawsuit concerning stolen code...for a social network. Google's socal network, Orkut has been accused of using stolen code from Affinity Engines http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2004/06/64 046. Google denies it, when your code has he exact same bugs...there's probably merit.
I read a few weeks ago Craiglists has a revenue of $10million per year with a company of 25 people. I'm sure Craig Newman and his employes are happy or else they wouldn't be doing it. Invetors and banks aren't happy because they can't get a slice of the pie and can't create something themselves to do it.
At the University of Florida, it's not atypical to have classes of over 200 students, especially the business area. To accomodate this, videos of course, are recorded and posted online. You can always watch the professor live, but most students opt to watch the lectures 2 days before the exam. From an engineering side, many students do distance learning. The notes and lectures are recorded, and put online. There is an extra fee to do distance learning, and it's to pay for the equipment and staff to do the recording. Luckily, if you are a student that attends the class, and it is part of distance learning, you get access to all the material. Many times I would watch parts of a clip over and over because my handwriting sucked, teacher went too fast, I was asleep, or whatever. If a professor is willing to take his/her time to do this, and they are not compensated by the school, I'd pay a minimal fee for them. Hell, get 10 of your buddies, buy 1 copy and copy it. Stick it to em!
I got a cellphone plan from Amazon last August that came with a $200 rebate. 11 months and 4 phone calls later, with a promise for sending it to me every time, I am still empty handed. Sh!t happens, but when you're down $200 bucks, I don't think you'll like rebates as much. If you've actually done 50 rebates then, you should know about Staples easy rebates. You don't have to mail in anything and you get your money in 2 weeks. The other companies are just slow.
Their corporate operations were in Purchase, N.Y, and recently moved to NC. Raleigh is where IBM's R&D campus was. Or something like that
Not what I'd call optimistic. sigh Put your shoes in the average Windows user. Would you want some alien OS you'll probably never use taking up precious storage space on your hard drive (assuming duel boot)?