I've seen a couple of posts like this... I'm not sure what your point is. Its like saying gtk is stupid because its yesterdays technology (athena widgets) repackaged, or. I'd much rather use an instant messaging service than talk or irc, especially talk. Not only that, whenever someone says this they are also assuming that its pointless to talk online to anyone who isnt a computer geek. I being a college student a couple of hours away from home occasionally talk to my family online, which is a whole hell of a lot cheaper than long distance rates...and they certainly dont know or care how to use something as archaic as talk, or something as involved and annoying as irc. I consider ease of use, and ease of getting other people to use it part of functionality, and programs such as AIM, ICQ, and hopefully Jabber, provide this in amounts several orders of magnitude greater than talk and irc. I guess all I'm saying is that I think instant messanging programs have a purpose, and whether they are to some degree of old technology doesn't matter, since they are presented in a form that is useful. Quite a bit of technology is old technology repackaged with some superficial change such as a nicer interface.
this is silly...b02k doesnt do anything that can't be done with linux command line tools. Are they evil? and command line tools that perform those functions are installed with the OS
I often am unable to get slashdot, or i get an incredibally slow connection speed to it. Tracerts show that its not my connection nor intermediate routers. I don't generally take that as a sign that linux has crashed and that its not a great server os. What you are saying doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Anyways, I had no trouble getting to it just now. Someone claimed that they use qnx on the space shuttle; if this is true, I'd think that its pretty damn stable. Be curious to see more about that.
Examples of these evil archetypes that no right minded american should use except for middle aged english teachers (I've had some damn good ones, actually)? Though I suppose "archetype" is in and of itself one of those "big unfamiliar words [used] as labor saving devices," unless you've taken some of those english classes. Anyways, arent big words by definition labor saving devices, used so that you dont have to use a larger collection of smaller words? Seems like it is just straight big words you object to. Course I'm just getting upset cause Brin is one of my favorite sci fi authors, a field where he writes some fascinating (though overly optimistic) novels, with the occasional big word sprinkled in...
I havent even seen the starship troopers movie...not even a trailer or anything. I have to wonder if you've actually read ST; I would describe it much more as commentary on the military, how the military mindset works, what a society based on the military would be like, etc etc. Your comment about xenephobia shows that you have actually read little, if any, Heinlein. His work is anything but xenephobic, and I really dont see that at all in ST. Some of the cultures he presents are extremely foreign to us; Glory Road, Stranger in a Strange Land, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, are the ones that come to mind immediately. Read those and then say that heinlein is a xenephobe. I wasnt really even making that strong a statement on aliens; it just didnt interest me. But then, I read ST, and quite a bit of other sci fi before I saw it. I was more saying that in my opinion that trilogy doesnt fit in two well with brin's statement of how all trilogies follow that pattern. I think the political statements regarding a society based on war are far more interesting than the stuff about mans arrogance of mastering nature (or alien life forms) with technology, which I was watching on Doctor Who when I was a kid. I happen to think that "its been done before" does have some bearing on whether something has value, especially if its been done a lot or better before. However, the statement "everything is based on something so it doesnt matter whether its been done before" seems a bit silly to me. Quite simply, aliens bored me (except for the fight scenes etc etc) Sad that one of the other responses to my post thought I meant the ST movie. Blech...rant...
Education is not the business of dissemenating truth. Its the business of dissemenating "accepted" truth, and often, politically correct truth. I do not believe that Harvard is any different than any other university in this respect. Maybe they are just better at it. Truth is all about perception, anyway.
Things seem to be clearing up...Harvard has not in fact wiped the site completely, and antionline is no longer online...
from www.hackernews.com: AntiOnline is currently offline. It is unknown if this was done due to a descision by John Vranesevich, his ISP, or if some other action has been taken. HNN has offered to host AntiOnlines comments but we have not received a response.
We have word that the PacketStorm site has not been deleted and that Harvard University will be supplying Ken Williams with a back up copy of the site.
I found the technical introduction to be extremely well written. Of course, most people would probably prefer to just read the press release and not have to wade through lengthy technical details.
To the best of my knowledge, GTK themes have nothing to do with enlightenment. E does not use them. However, most gnome apps are built with gtk, since gtk is the widget library of gnome. If you were to run straight E without all the gnome apps (which incur a lot of overhead by themselves), you wouldnt see this performance hit. You should see some of the screenshots of E running in 16 color mode. Pretty nice, for something that needs state of the art hardware...
The server is actually eggshell.mudservices.com, theoretically owned by a company that rents out accounts on a collection of linux servers to people for the purpose of MU* hosting. Someone probably decided to rebroadcast this shoutcast stream on their account, along with running a mud or whatever. Doubtless they will be surprised when mudservices pulls their account, not having realized that there would be anything wrong with running a shoutcast server (I think that accounts on providers like that generally share computers, depending on how much they pay, so the person is probably violating some sort of rule in the agreement they signed)
David Brin is an excellent author. His novel Earth is one of the best books I've read recently. I highly recommend that people check out some of his writing.
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When I'm at home from school, I've been running a 2.2 kernel on a 486/50 with 20 megs of RAM, doing IP masquerading etc via a cable modem. I really haven't noticed much of a speed difference from when the box had a 2.0.35 kernel, but maybe thats because I have more than 16MB of ram (though only slightly more). Other reasons that I could imagine someone wanting to use 2.0 kernels is because they are tried and tested, and while the 2.2 series is earmarked as a stable series, it is still very new. For people who are using their box as a server, it might be preferable to have something tried and true, that has been in use for a significant period of time. In the lab I work in, there is a mixture of dec alphas, rh 5.1, and rh 6. These boxes are all managed by a central admin group, only one person in the lab has root on any of these. In this situation it is just as easy not to upgrade the older rh5.1 box(es) (not sure how many we have), since there really is no critical need to upgrade, and the one that I use at least is a critical file server, so downtime on it would have something of a negative impact on the fragile web of nfs mounts in the lab.
What you say makes quite a bit of sense. It also ties in with the rumours that have been floating around and the brief mentions of microsoft looking at the open source paradigm. If you think about it, it amounts to a rather brilliant and interesting legal/marketing/publicity strategy; MS can say that they have embraced the open source community, while not actually having to do so with any of their code, and reap various strategic benefits therein. The public perception of MS being an evil empire, while it won't drop among geeks like us, may drop in the populace in general. MS can have something to crush the competition in win32 JVMs, all for some spare change out of their back pocket.
Also, if you look around a little bit more, you discover that this 200mhz overclocking is being wasted on...you guessed it...Windows 98. With the hope of upgrading to NT 5. Its a shame....
The statement "hard to find jocks and other popular types in the library", at least at the high school I graduated from a year ago, is very innacurate. Due to the phasing out of an open campus, juniors and seniors were not given assigned study hall, but could not go anywhere besides the library. Since they tended to have less classes than geeks (such as myself), it would have been more likely to find them in the library, than the geeks. My impression from talking to people who attend other schools is that similar situations are not uncommon. Libraries are commonly used as places to send students who dont have anywhere better to be, since they have a staff of several people, and are often fairly large. My mother works in my former high school's library; she complains quite often about the number of extremely immature jock type people she has to deal with. You may be right that they decided to do something to get attention. But what they chose to do was based on the pressures society had exerted on them most likely from the first time they started interacting outside their families. And the backlash against the internet and other issues just shows this to a higher degree; these things are different. Society does not like different. Perhaps you are using a different definition of the word superlative than the one in my dictionary. What these people did, and what Hitler did, are certainly not what I would call "Of the highest quality or degree."
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I dont really find the comparison to the french revolution particularly promising...wasn't a pretty event.
I've seen a couple of posts like this...
I'm not sure what your point is. Its like saying gtk is stupid because its yesterdays technology (athena widgets) repackaged, or. I'd much rather use an instant messaging service than talk or irc, especially talk. Not only that, whenever someone says this they are also assuming that its pointless to talk online to anyone who isnt a computer geek. I being a college student a couple of hours away from home occasionally talk to my family online, which is a whole hell of a lot cheaper than long distance rates...and they certainly dont know or care how to use something as archaic as talk, or something as involved and annoying as irc. I consider ease of use, and ease of getting other people to use it part of functionality, and programs such as AIM, ICQ, and hopefully Jabber, provide this in amounts several orders of magnitude greater than talk and irc.
I guess all I'm saying is that I think instant messanging programs have a purpose, and whether they are to some degree of old technology doesn't matter, since they are presented in a form that is useful. Quite a bit of technology is old technology repackaged with some superficial change such as a nicer interface.
this is silly...b02k doesnt do anything that can't be done with linux command line tools. Are they evil? and command line tools that perform those functions are installed with the OS
I'm wondering why thats a troll...
looks more like on opinion to me.
I bet thats compressed, too.
I often am unable to get slashdot, or i get an incredibally slow connection speed to it. Tracerts show that its not my connection nor intermediate routers. I don't generally take that as a sign that linux has crashed and that its not a great server os. What you are saying doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Anyways, I had no trouble getting to it just now.
Someone claimed that they use qnx on the space shuttle; if this is true, I'd think that its pretty damn stable. Be curious to see more about that.
Examples of these evil archetypes that no right minded american should use except for middle aged english teachers (I've had some damn good ones, actually)?
Though I suppose "archetype" is in and of itself one of those "big unfamiliar words [used] as labor saving devices," unless you've taken some of those english classes. Anyways, arent big words by definition labor saving devices, used so that you dont have to use a larger collection of smaller words? Seems like it is just straight big words you object to.
Course I'm just getting upset cause Brin is one of my favorite sci fi authors, a field where he writes some fascinating (though overly optimistic) novels, with the occasional big word sprinkled in...
I havent even seen the starship troopers movie...not even a trailer or anything.
I have to wonder if you've actually read ST; I would describe it much more as commentary on the military, how the military mindset works, what a society based on the military would be like, etc etc. Your comment about xenephobia shows that you have actually read little, if any, Heinlein. His work is anything but xenephobic, and I really dont see that at all in ST. Some of the cultures he presents are extremely foreign to us; Glory Road, Stranger in a Strange Land, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, are the ones that come to mind immediately. Read those and then say that heinlein is a xenephobe.
I wasnt really even making that strong a statement on aliens; it just didnt interest me. But then, I read ST, and quite a bit of other sci fi before I saw it. I was more saying that in my opinion that trilogy doesnt fit in two well with brin's statement of how all trilogies follow that pattern. I think the political statements regarding a society based on war are far more interesting than the stuff about mans arrogance of mastering nature (or alien life forms) with technology, which I was watching on Doctor Who when I was a kid. I happen to think that "its been done before" does have some bearing on whether something has value, especially if its been done a lot or better before. However, the statement "everything is based on something so it doesnt matter whether its been done before" seems a bit silly to me. Quite simply, aliens bored me (except for the fight scenes etc etc)
Sad that one of the other responses to my post thought I meant the ST movie.
Blech...rant...
bah...the only good alien was the first one. The second was just a cheap starship troopers knockoff, and the third just plain sucked.
Education is not the business of dissemenating truth. Its the business of dissemenating "accepted" truth, and often, politically correct truth. I do not believe that Harvard is any different than any other university in this respect. Maybe they are just better at it. Truth is all about perception, anyway.
back up now...for a while, I couldnt even do a dns lookup or connect to the IP.
Things seem to be clearing up...Harvard has not in fact wiped the site completely, and antionline is no longer online...
from www.hackernews.com:
AntiOnline is currently offline. It is unknown if this was done
due to a descision by John Vranesevich, his ISP, or if some
other action has been taken. HNN has offered to host
AntiOnlines comments but we have not received a
response.
We have word that the PacketStorm site has not been
deleted and that Harvard University will be supplying Ken
Williams with a back up copy of the site.
I found the technical introduction to be extremely well written. Of course, most people would probably prefer to just read the press release and not have to wade through lengthy technical details.
To the best of my knowledge, GTK themes have nothing to do with enlightenment. E does not use them. However, most gnome apps are built with gtk, since gtk is the widget library of gnome. If you were to run straight E without all the gnome apps (which incur a lot of overhead by themselves), you wouldnt see this performance hit.
You should see some of the screenshots of E running in 16 color mode. Pretty nice, for something that needs state of the art hardware...
The server is actually eggshell.mudservices.com,
theoretically owned by a company that rents out
accounts on a collection of linux servers to people
for the purpose of MU* hosting. Someone probably
decided to rebroadcast this shoutcast stream on
their account, along with running a mud or
whatever. Doubtless they will be surprised when
mudservices pulls their account, not having
realized that there would be anything wrong with
running a shoutcast server (I think that accounts
on providers like that generally share computers,
depending on how much they pay, so the person is
probably violating some sort of rule in the
agreement they signed)
David Brin is an excellent author. His novel
Earth is one of the best books I've read recently.
I highly recommend that people check out some
of his writing.
When I'm at home from school, I've been running a
2.2 kernel on a 486/50 with 20 megs of RAM, doing
IP masquerading etc via a cable modem. I really
haven't noticed much of a speed difference from
when the box had a 2.0.35 kernel, but maybe thats
because I have more than 16MB of ram (though only
slightly more).
Other reasons that I could imagine someone wanting
to use 2.0 kernels is because they are tried and
tested, and while the 2.2 series is earmarked
as a stable series, it is still very new. For
people who are using their box as a server, it
might be preferable to have something tried and
true, that has been in use for a significant
period of time.
In the lab I work in, there is a mixture of dec
alphas, rh 5.1, and rh 6. These boxes are all
managed by a central admin group, only one person
in the lab has root on any of these. In this
situation it is just as easy not to upgrade the
older rh5.1 box(es) (not sure how many we have),
since there really is no critical need to upgrade,
and the one that I use at least is a critical
file server, so downtime on it would have
something of a negative impact on the fragile web
of nfs mounts in the lab.
What you say makes quite a bit of sense. It also
ties in with the rumours that have been floating
around and the brief mentions of microsoft looking
at the open source paradigm. If you think about
it, it amounts to a rather brilliant and
interesting legal/marketing/publicity strategy;
MS can say that they have embraced the open source
community, while not actually having to do so with
any of their code, and reap various strategic
benefits therein. The public perception of MS
being an evil empire, while it won't drop among
geeks like us, may drop in the populace in
general. MS can have something to crush the
competition in win32 JVMs, all for some spare
change out of their back pocket.
Also, if you look around a little bit more, you discover that this 200mhz overclocking is being wasted on...you guessed it...Windows 98. With the hope of upgrading to NT 5. Its a shame....
I cant seem to access slashdot via netscape, but it works fine via Mozilla M5 :)
The statement "hard to find jocks and other popular types in the library", at least at the high school I graduated from a year ago, is very innacurate. Due to the phasing out of an open campus, juniors and seniors were not given assigned study hall, but could not go anywhere besides the library. Since they tended to have less classes than geeks (such as myself), it would have been more likely to find them in the library, than the geeks. My impression from talking to people who attend other schools is that similar situations are not uncommon. Libraries are commonly used as places to send students who dont have anywhere better to be, since they have a staff of several people, and are often fairly large. My mother works in my former high school's library; she complains quite often about the number of extremely immature jock type people she has to deal with.
You may be right that they decided to do something to get attention. But what they chose to do was based on the pressures society had exerted on them most likely from the first time they started interacting outside their families. And the backlash against the internet and other issues just shows this to a higher degree; these things are different. Society does not like different.
Perhaps you are using a different definition of the word superlative than the one in my dictionary. What these people did, and what Hitler did, are certainly not what I would call "Of the highest quality or degree."
Kyle