"Starting with Vista, and continuing with Windows 7, the menubar is going away. To be replaced with things like the Windows Explorer contextual strip, or the Office Ribbon(now in Paint and Wordpad too). Many apps still retain the menubar as an option to be pinned or to be shown briefly by holding the Alt key...Firefox isn't the type of application that necessarily has contextual actions in the same way Windows Explorer does. So how to handle the functionality of the menubar if it is hidden?"
They are just using the ribbon as an example of an interface that has eliminated the menu bar. If you read further they have mockups of the 3.7 and 4.0 interface, it looks absolutely nothing like the ribbon.
Yes because obviously I think asphalt/concrete only need to be rolled out, there's no way in hell I was just trying to avoid spending a paragraph explaining how asphalt/concrete roads are constructed. Fuck man, you'd think on Slashdot (as opposed to Digg or Reddit) one could avoid being straw man'd at every turn.
Pricing is supposed to be competitive with concrete and asphalt? You just roll that shit down and it dries. Glass road surface? What sort of grip are you going to get on that? How about in the rain? What about potholes? There are almost certainly going to be gaps between the panels. What will happen when water freezes between them? I can't even be optimistic about this, it just won't work.
Does the Mac botnet have a more simple and intuitive UI than comparable Windows-based botnets? My grandma is a script kiddie, this sounds like the perfect system for her.
That's not the implication if his statement and you know it. Is Vista the safest OS of every single OS on the planet? Of course not. Does that change the impact of his statement one bit? Not at all. Look, I'm not one to take a random quote from a Microsoft exec at face value; in fact, I personally believe that nearly any mainstream Linux distro is going to be more secure (in practice) than any Vista system. But seriously, your response to this claim is, "but Vista isn't as secure as the NSA's classified operating systems." Is that a joke? You're clutching at straws for the sake of disproving a marketing quote, it's embarassing.
Since you like car analogies, I'll give you one: The SSC Ultimate Aero is the fastest car on the planet. Of course, there are rocket cars that travel much faster.
How many netbooks actually come with a full version of Linux? Admittedly I don't follow the latest netbook developments much, but most of the Linux models I've seen have some rainbows and unicorns OS that is only suitable for people under 10 years old.
I spent a good chunk of my day install and configuring Ubuntu, only to have the final fucking step (eee-control-tray) tell me that I'm not running a supported model.
FUCK
THIS
eee-control-tray is, probably, exactly what I need. I could get most things working (Wifi, function keys) but I nothing could replicate the functionality of the EeePC control panel, and thus battery life was god awful.
First off, I submitted this, my bad on forgetting to put in a name. The reason I can't use 7 is because the 1000HD graphics chipset doesn't support Aero, and using Vista/7 without Aero basically renders the OS useless (especially in the case of 7, where the vast majority of the new GUI features require Aero). I was trying to be concise in the submission so I didn't want to get off in a tangent about how pissed I am that Intel refuses to write WDDM drivers for the GMA 900.
Maybe this guy has different stats, but last I heard, Microsoft made something like 1/3 of their revenue from Windows and 1/3 from Office. It's not like they don't make any money from Windows.
Well, I guess it makes sense you guys would ignore some more facts in your endless rant against Windows. It's funny that the post says "the reality is more complex," when in fact the reality is LESS complex. See, there are six versions (Starter, Home Basic, Home Premium, Professional, Enterprise, Ultimate). Starter is NOT meant for netbooks. Starter is exactly the same as Vista Starter: meant for super super poor countries. Home Basic is an extension of that, but it is meant as a low-cost version in countries with lots of piracy.
Let's go to the top of the list. Enterprise is just for businesses purchasing bulk licenses. Ultimate is the same as Vista Ultimate, except you're only ever going to be dealing with Ultimate if you are a techie and know where to find it - it won't be sold through normal distribution channels.
The only two left are Home Premium and Professional. These are the only two actual consumers will deal with. They are exactly the same as XP Home and XP Pro; in fact, the only reason it's called Home Premium is because test users thought Home was a downgrade from Home Premium, so the kept the name. So there you have it: there are TWO versions of 7, and four versions for niche markets that will never be sold in stores. It's a lot like XP, where Home and Pro were considered the only two editions, but there were lots of others (Starter, MCE, Tablet PC, Embedded). But in the case, people were smart enough to understand that consumers only had to choose between two.
It's interesting that Gizmodo and Endgadget (and any places that quoted their stories) made all this very clear, but Slashdot had to go find the one site that had their facts wrong.
Microsoft is improving their image greatly with OEMs and consumers. They just aren't improving their image with Slashdot readers, because until they they announce that Windows 8 will be base on Linux, they will still be hated. Remember when Microsoft was constantly releasing new studies showing that Windows was "better" than Linux? Did you notice that they (more or less) quit doing that? It's because they realized that Linux users aren't now and will never be a part of their consumer base. So, yes, Microsoft's image is better, but you will just never notice it because Microsoft won't ever be, in a million years, the company you want it to be.
How are consumers going to feel if they buy a computer and it comes with no browser? It's essentially useless out of the box. Shut up Opera, this is bad for everybody.
Parents, teachers, and professors like to view lecture halls as being too impersonal to effectively teach. Students view more personal classrooms as cramped and uncomfortable. I'd argue that sitting in a movie theatre seat for an hour and half certainly improves my ability to learn more than sitting closer to the teacher, but on a fucking wooden plank.
I personally know one person who only uses their antenna, and they mostly watch DVDs anyway. I know some people are pretty bad off, but if you are that concerned about television you should be able to drop $40 on a converter box and not have the government pay for it.
Aero doesn't just make your windows transparent, nor is it resource intensive. There are tons of Windows 7 torrents around, you can use it for 120 days without an activation key, and it takes like 20 minutes to install. Would it be that difficult to try it for five minutes before you run your mouth?
You can get lots of CPUs cheaper than Intel, that doesn't mean you should buy them. Intel has been killing AMD in price/performance for at least two years.
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The quote verbatim from Mozilla's wiki (found here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Sprints/Windows_Theme_Revamp/Direction_and_Feedback)
"Starting with Vista, and continuing with Windows 7, the menubar is going away. To be replaced with things like the Windows Explorer contextual strip, or the Office Ribbon(now in Paint and Wordpad too). Many apps still retain the menubar as an option to be pinned or to be shown briefly by holding the Alt key...Firefox isn't the type of application that necessarily has contextual actions in the same way Windows Explorer does. So how to handle the functionality of the menubar if it is hidden?"
They are just using the ribbon as an example of an interface that has eliminated the menu bar. If you read further they have mockups of the 3.7 and 4.0 interface, it looks absolutely nothing like the ribbon.
Yes because obviously I think asphalt/concrete only need to be rolled out, there's no way in hell I was just trying to avoid spending a paragraph explaining how asphalt/concrete roads are constructed. Fuck man, you'd think on Slashdot (as opposed to Digg or Reddit) one could avoid being straw man'd at every turn.
Pricing is supposed to be competitive with concrete and asphalt? You just roll that shit down and it dries. Glass road surface? What sort of grip are you going to get on that? How about in the rain? What about potholes? There are almost certainly going to be gaps between the panels. What will happen when water freezes between them? I can't even be optimistic about this, it just won't work.
Does the Mac botnet have a more simple and intuitive UI than comparable Windows-based botnets? My grandma is a script kiddie, this sounds like the perfect system for her.
That's not the implication if his statement and you know it. Is Vista the safest OS of every single OS on the planet? Of course not. Does that change the impact of his statement one bit? Not at all. Look, I'm not one to take a random quote from a Microsoft exec at face value; in fact, I personally believe that nearly any mainstream Linux distro is going to be more secure (in practice) than any Vista system. But seriously, your response to this claim is, "but Vista isn't as secure as the NSA's classified operating systems." Is that a joke? You're clutching at straws for the sake of disproving a marketing quote, it's embarassing.
Since you like car analogies, I'll give you one: The SSC Ultimate Aero is the fastest car on the planet. Of course, there are rocket cars that travel much faster.
How many netbooks actually come with a full version of Linux? Admittedly I don't follow the latest netbook developments much, but most of the Linux models I've seen have some rainbows and unicorns OS that is only suitable for people under 10 years old.
Is it weird that I want Fermilab to find the Higgs boson - rather than CERN - just out of patriotism?
I spent a good chunk of my day install and configuring Ubuntu, only to have the final fucking step (eee-control-tray) tell me that I'm not running a supported model. FUCK THIS
eee-control-tray is, probably, exactly what I need. I could get most things working (Wifi, function keys) but I nothing could replicate the functionality of the EeePC control panel, and thus battery life was god awful.
First off, I submitted this, my bad on forgetting to put in a name. The reason I can't use 7 is because the 1000HD graphics chipset doesn't support Aero, and using Vista/7 without Aero basically renders the OS useless (especially in the case of 7, where the vast majority of the new GUI features require Aero). I was trying to be concise in the submission so I didn't want to get off in a tangent about how pissed I am that Intel refuses to write WDDM drivers for the GMA 900.
YES
USA USA USA
I never would have guessed.
Actually I probably would have.
I'm so glad you are getting modded up for misreading my post. Great work /.
Windows 7 Home Basic is for those countries, not Vista Home Basic. There is a difference.
Maybe this guy has different stats, but last I heard, Microsoft made something like 1/3 of their revenue from Windows and 1/3 from Office. It's not like they don't make any money from Windows.
Did you click the wrong reply button? That's not at all relevant to what I said.
Well, I guess it makes sense you guys would ignore some more facts in your endless rant against Windows. It's funny that the post says "the reality is more complex," when in fact the reality is LESS complex. See, there are six versions (Starter, Home Basic, Home Premium, Professional, Enterprise, Ultimate). Starter is NOT meant for netbooks. Starter is exactly the same as Vista Starter: meant for super super poor countries. Home Basic is an extension of that, but it is meant as a low-cost version in countries with lots of piracy.
Let's go to the top of the list. Enterprise is just for businesses purchasing bulk licenses. Ultimate is the same as Vista Ultimate, except you're only ever going to be dealing with Ultimate if you are a techie and know where to find it - it won't be sold through normal distribution channels.
The only two left are Home Premium and Professional. These are the only two actual consumers will deal with. They are exactly the same as XP Home and XP Pro; in fact, the only reason it's called Home Premium is because test users thought Home was a downgrade from Home Premium, so the kept the name. So there you have it: there are TWO versions of 7, and four versions for niche markets that will never be sold in stores. It's a lot like XP, where Home and Pro were considered the only two editions, but there were lots of others (Starter, MCE, Tablet PC, Embedded). But in the case, people were smart enough to understand that consumers only had to choose between two.
It's interesting that Gizmodo and Endgadget (and any places that quoted their stories) made all this very clear, but Slashdot had to go find the one site that had their facts wrong.
Microsoft is improving their image greatly with OEMs and consumers. They just aren't improving their image with Slashdot readers, because until they they announce that Windows 8 will be base on Linux, they will still be hated. Remember when Microsoft was constantly releasing new studies showing that Windows was "better" than Linux? Did you notice that they (more or less) quit doing that? It's because they realized that Linux users aren't now and will never be a part of their consumer base. So, yes, Microsoft's image is better, but you will just never notice it because Microsoft won't ever be, in a million years, the company you want it to be.
How are consumers going to feel if they buy a computer and it comes with no browser? It's essentially useless out of the box. Shut up Opera, this is bad for everybody.
Parents, teachers, and professors like to view lecture halls as being too impersonal to effectively teach. Students view more personal classrooms as cramped and uncomfortable. I'd argue that sitting in a movie theatre seat for an hour and half certainly improves my ability to learn more than sitting closer to the teacher, but on a fucking wooden plank.
...grass.
Aren't you saving $40 a month anyway by not having cable?
I personally know one person who only uses their antenna, and they mostly watch DVDs anyway. I know some people are pretty bad off, but if you are that concerned about television you should be able to drop $40 on a converter box and not have the government pay for it.
Aero doesn't just make your windows transparent, nor is it resource intensive. There are tons of Windows 7 torrents around, you can use it for 120 days without an activation key, and it takes like 20 minutes to install. Would it be that difficult to try it for five minutes before you run your mouth?
You can get lots of CPUs cheaper than Intel, that doesn't mean you should buy them. Intel has been killing AMD in price/performance for at least two years.