But what is the point of arbitrarily multiplying marketshare by -1 and then saying Android is declining in negative marketshare? It is meaningless in an economic sense. It is meaningless from a marketing perspective. I could arbitrarily multiply Apple marketshare by Pi and Android marketshare by Pi and say Android's share of the Pi x Marketplace is bigger than Apples. That also would say nothing about anything.
You say downward slide can never apply to all aspects? Aspects of what? Then you say when downward slide applies to marketshare, it does not apply to negative marketshare?.What?. a negative marketshare you invent by arbitrarily multiplying marketshare by -1? Then you say the only conclusion is that a downward slide unqualified applies to at least one aspect. One aspect of what exactly?
You must be yanking my chain my friend. Remember this all started with my asking a simple question in response the person who posted that apple was on a downward slide. ( a wide open general statement) All I said was: Which are the important metrics you are using to come to the conclusion Apple is on a downward slide? I haven't seemed to have any coherent answer to this particular question since I asked. Anyway have fun multiplying everything by -1 to create negative this' and thats'.
Not fully comprehending. How does everyone have a negative marketshare or a marketshare multiplied by -1? For example Apple releases the iPad. Quickly they have a marketshare of 80% or so. There are no android tablets at the time so they have a marketshare of 0%.
In what context does this negative marketshare exist exactly? Above you say "Android is declining in negative marketshare.". How is Android declining in negative marketshare? Are you meaning their marketshare is getting bigger which it is? Is apple declining on positive marketshare?
From my vantage Apple has a declining marketshare. The panoply of Android devices for the 15 or so producers of the devices is gaining in marketshare. What have these 2 apparent facts to do with your concept of negative market share. Do you have a way of illustrating what you ware saying?
Why is everyones marketshare multiplied by -1? What underlying principal would you be performing this operating under? Is this some economic statistical model I am unaware of?
The only negative marketshare term I am familiar with has to do with the idea of negative effect of marketshare and customer satisfaction or the negative effect on marketshare related to mergers and acquisitions.
Could you tell me a bit more about what you are talking about and why you are using this term?
So Apple is declining in Marketshare in Tablets since they had most of the market when they put the iPad out there. How is Android declining in negative marketshare? Who exactly has a market of -30%? From my understanding market share begins at zero. Then it goes up from there. How can anyone have a negative marketshare? Please explain because I fail to understand what you are driving at.
"Here, someone said Apple is declining, and that is correct w.r.t. marketshare."
Not exactly the poster I was responding too said "Apple is on a downhill slide" They didn't qualify it as "Apple is on a downhill slide w.r.t marketshare"
That is something you injected based on your interpretation. There was no qualifying statement to indicate this "downward slide" the poster was alluding to was limited in any sense to a discussion of market share.
If you don't really appreciate my commentary or wish to read it then you simply don't have to read the entire thread and feel impelled respond. You don't really need to direct me to comment on other forums either. Simply skip over irritating commentary and move along my friend, as do we all. I have been commenting for some 17 or 18 years on this forum and have every intention on commenting whatever topic based upon my interpretation of what is being said and with any insights I have. This is what forums are for and I will continue to do so in a way which I deem fit. Thanks for you concern.
I read that Google maps on the iPhones was hobbled. No Turn-by-turn and no vector maps only bitmaps on the iPhones. The 2 companies were in negotiations about these issues, but negotiations broke down. I suppose Google wanting its own branding could have added to this breakdown. The goals of the 2 giants are a bit different and both look to their own interest.
Neither company as far as I can tell really suffered from the parting of ways. Apple got a bit of a bloody nose rushing out a Beta product, but now that they have had a couple of years of data and programing time to stamp out the issues, much of what people complained about when Apple Maps was released has vanished.
Anyhow. for the user it is good that there are competing products pushing the barriers. I wish Nokia could get whatever their mapping thing was going so there would be even more competition. I actually like more than only 2 great products. 3 or more is always a boon. Innovation goes way up then.
No one said declining marketshare necessarily means declining profits, necessarily immediately. Cool down.
I wasn't criticizing people for saying anything about profits. My critique was only about people using Marketshare alone as a sign of the beginning of an Apple decline. Many people seem to equate declining marketshare as a sign that Apple is beginning to fade and will fail eventually as a result of this. Apple will eventually decline as all companies in history do, but this particular decline in marketshare on a particular sector of products has nothing to do with a decline by anyone. It has more to do with the commoditization of this particular market. My critique had nothing to do with linking people views on marketshare with their non-stated views about profits. People making statements about Apples declining market share and dire predictions of Apple failing rarely mention profits.
Only problem is your imagination of people saying Apple is facing financial issues now or in near future.
Did I say "people are saying Apple is facing financial issues..."? I don't believe I used terminology like that. What I am responding to are the vary real and unimagined statements so often trotted out on forums like this preceding comment.
"It's a start, and Apple is on the downhill slide."
My point is that people say Apple is declining or failing without needing any metric other than market share to supposedly demonstrate this decline. I merely pointed out that this is not the case. And in a more round about way you seemed to also be able to separate the two "declining marketshare [does not] necessarily mean(s) declining profits". Neither does it mean Apple is on a "downhill slide"
It is not an imagined critique since statements such as the above one pepper the forums all over the web whenever there is an article about market share of android or iOS devices. Fanbois of both Apple and Android litter the forums with commentary about the apparent domination their pet company or impending collapse of the other persons company. Such discussion is rarely relevant since the entire market is really evolving and diversifying.
I don't really think of the discussion in terms of winning anything. I merely want to counter assertions about me or what I was intending. We can both agree that fanboi culture is useless and irritating. We probably both agree that in some measure trolling is annoying.
Fanboi's and Trolls are a small and persistent part of any online forums both now and on into the future. I'm not as indignant about "hype" in the same way you seem to be. You seem to be thinking of hype as a primary mechanism for fanboi's of all flavors to push forward their ideas. I suppose this could be true hype is a bad thing, but I look at it in terms of everything I read. I can take it or leave it. The only thing though that I find tiresome is the Fanboi tendency to constantly bring up the same points over and over again in every thread. Each side bashes the other in a tiresome and non-sensical way, but more or less the same all of the time. None of any side is interested in looking at what is or isn't factual and none seems swayed that there are benefits to every platform and it is ok for people to chose them without being accused of being dim-witted.
Not excoriating my existence. Fair enough you didn't excoriate my existence just berated a simple informational point as something it wasn't nor intended to be and equated me with something you and I both find distasteful (fanbois) but labeled my information as fanboi hooha.
You say the full article seemed like an ad, I didn't read the article. I was only commenting on what I thought the other poster was saying. Perhaps you took my commentary to be Linux Fanboi-ism it wasn't.
Anyhow. what I interpreted the OP to be saying was all he thought was needed was an open platform. I just pointed him to an upcoming possibility. Bingo is just something people say as an exclamation sometimes. Kind of like ah-ha I found this. Or woot woot here you go. Bingo isn't an end all answer or anything at least not in the context I was intending. It is kind of like saying wooohooo in the sense of excitement I was intending.
What legitimate point in your view was the GP raising that I answered by the exclamation Bingo. Bingo doesn't answer anything. The words before the bingo provide some information and I was excited to share it. Quite simple really. Nothing fanboi about that in the slightest.
Yep.but are Apple and Blackberry really comparable? Blackberry has no diversification. Blackberry has not created a product which has competed with Apple or Googles Android. The same cannot be said for Apple and Google android phones. They dominate the market Samsung and Apple at least are making hoards of cash. The rest including hoards of Android makers are scrambling for the scraps right now.
When exactly do you expect Apple to suddenly go into the red? Blackberry is where they are no because of 6 years of decline. Since apple is still rising when do you think they are going to top out? Will Samsung top out or will they continue to break all records for the next 10 years or so? Questions like this should remain for the future, but making statements as to Apple impending demise seems premature since they have not yet maxed out and not even been on a downward trend even. That is my only point. People like to say Apple is declining, but there really isn't any financial indication this is so.
What semantic gymnastics you are trying to pull off. Why are you trying to imbue what I said with something other than what I said. You misconstrued the bit I originally posted and then tried to tie it with something I wrote in response to you. The original post is simple and too the point. I can't be responsible for your constructing another reality about what it all meant. That is for you to distill for yourself.
In response to the OP I posted. "Sailfish OS based on Meego will soon be installable on Android tablets and phones. Bingo."
There is nothing about that statement which patently false, fanboish, witty, or a debate point. There is nothing misleading or unrealistic about the statement. There is nothing in my statement which has anything to do with what is used or works in the tech world overall. Although Sailfish OS is a linux based distro, I wasn't touting Linux. I was trying to find something pertinent to the OP who wanted an alternative to Android OS I assume . The statement doesn't make the tech world look stupid. The statement makes no mention of the value of work of tech workers or anyone else. The statement is not hype. It is called information. People can look at it or not as they will and see if the info has relevance for what they want.
I completely disagree with your vitriolic post. I'm not sure what the point of it is. To attack me, whom you don't know. Why would someone wish to impugn a random person presenting simple information? To what end? Or is your point to rail against mock fanboi foes? Incoherence does not make your case very well in either case.
Do you often pick random people on the internet to jump all over with vitriolic tirades? What is your goal? Although you say seek as you say to present a coherent point, I fear you may have missed the mark since Ad Hominem attacks on random unknown folks on the web do not bode well for the logic or strength of ones own case. Too much labeling combined with non-existence of support for what you are saying is simply silliness.
I didn't intend to be witty or slam someone. I wasn't trying to win a debate either. There wasn't an actual debate by any definition I know of. Someone says 'we need an open platform' I say 'sailfish, bingo'
What am I a fanboi of exactly?
Your point can only be coherent if it is readily relevant to a particular point. Your analysis of what my comment was, what my comment meant, and my personal status as some sort of fanboi are not apt. In this case my comment is so entirely trite that there is not much grist for you to react to other than what you yourself are seeing.
In this case "bingo" just meant. You want an open platform other than android. here is an option.
Market share is only meaningful if 1. your product cannot be viable, begins to fade, and sales dwindle or if 2. support of your product become inadequate in the marketplace. Neither of these things is in fact happening yet with Apple. At some point as is the case with all companies, Apple will fade to glee of many, but this is not what is happening currently.
Such a failure of a company could be reflected in market share when it is paired with other factors, but Apple is not yet dwindling in the actual marketplace. Other more pertinent measures would be unit sales and profitability. Apple continues and upward trend in year-over-year profitability. Apples as of last quarter posted record sales numbers for its devices and record profits. Apple has so much in cash reserves that they Wall Street complains about that as well. And Apple seems to be expanding into new market areas where their technology and cash will make them a big player. Overall Apple seems to be suffering from being the most profitable company in monetary terms in the history of our planet and at least for now not dwindling.
Market share, at least in this case, is a bit of a deceptive red-herring. Marketshare is the one hit wonder answer that gets trotted out to demonstrate how Apple is failing each month and yet market share is changing because of the flood of cheap devices which compete for the lower end of the market. By merely saying market share proves Apple is on a downward slide people willfully remain ignorant of all the other factors which would indicate exactly the opposite is true. at least up until this last quarter.
The phone market is subsidized so people don't know what things cost. Free this and free that everywhere just sign the next couple years of your life getting ripped off for the privilege.
I see lots of tablets at elementary schools. Seems like all the kids have them now since they got them as stocking stuffers. My kids keep asking why they can't get tablets and take them to school. Seems they are the only ones without devices at recess. hahahaha
I think that Androids will likely exceed 90% of the market because of the lower end devices and not because of the high end ones. This is simply because of basic economics. People with lesser means will want a tablet like anyone else, but if they can't afford to get a higher end device, a lower end device will serve their needs/wallet. Those lower end disposable commodity products are beginning to appear and will drive the numbers game.
A $40 price tag lowers the threshold in a way that many more devices can and will be sold. Those will become ubiquitous. Premium products will be premium products, but like watches or cars, only relatively few on the planet will have a Bugatti or "Lange and Sohne".More people will get a Kia or Timex. Same with tablets.
In the end, everyone will have a tablet but those tablets won't be higher end Apple tablets or the various higher end Android tablets.
Our iPad gets probably 30 hours use a week by all of our family. It seems to be useful to each member of the family for different purposes. Perhaps it is missing key features, but I don't really think we notice because we each have our own way of using it. And when we need real computing power we just jump on the desktop machine.
We haven't really regretted having an iPad for any reason.
I too think there is a market for larger tablets. Smaller and smaller no matter how great the resolution leaves my old eyes somewhat tired. On the flip side, I could use a phone that is actually smaller than the platters they keep putting out. I want the phone to be a phonesure it needs a few apps, but that is just to get by while on the move when I am not near some bigger screen.
The way it seems now.. phones are getting bigger, tablets smaller. Pretty soon there will just be one big phone-tablet to tote around. hahahaha
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But what is the point of arbitrarily multiplying marketshare by -1 and then saying Android is declining in negative marketshare?
It is meaningless in an economic sense.
It is meaningless from a marketing perspective.
I could arbitrarily multiply Apple marketshare by Pi and Android marketshare by Pi and say Android's share of the Pi x Marketplace is bigger than Apples.
That also would say nothing about anything.
You say downward slide can never apply to all aspects?
Aspects of what?
Then you say when downward slide applies to marketshare, it does not apply to negative marketshare?.What?. a negative marketshare you invent by arbitrarily multiplying marketshare by -1?
Then you say the only conclusion is that a downward slide unqualified applies to at least one aspect. One aspect of what exactly?
You must be yanking my chain my friend.
Remember this all started with my asking a simple question in response the person who posted that apple was on a downward slide. ( a wide open general statement)
All I said was:
Which are the important metrics you are using to come to the conclusion Apple is on a downward slide?
I haven't seemed to have any coherent answer to this particular question since I asked.
Anyway have fun multiplying everything by -1 to create negative this' and thats'.
Not fully comprehending. How does everyone have a negative marketshare or a marketshare multiplied by -1?
For example Apple releases the iPad. Quickly they have a marketshare of 80% or so. There are no android tablets at the time so they have a marketshare of 0%.
In what context does this negative marketshare exist exactly?
Above you say "Android is declining in negative marketshare.". How is Android declining in negative marketshare? Are you meaning their marketshare is getting bigger which it is?
Is apple declining on positive marketshare?
From my vantage Apple has a declining marketshare. The panoply of Android devices for the 15 or so producers of the devices is gaining in marketshare. What have these 2 apparent facts to do with your concept of negative market share. Do you have a way of illustrating what you ware saying?
Why is everyones marketshare multiplied by -1?
What underlying principal would you be performing this operating under?
Is this some economic statistical model I am unaware of?
The only negative marketshare term I am familiar with has to do with the idea of negative effect of marketshare and customer satisfaction or the negative effect on marketshare related to mergers and acquisitions.
Could you tell me a bit more about what you are talking about and why you are using this term?
So Apple is declining in Marketshare in Tablets since they had most of the market when they put the iPad out there.
How is Android declining in negative marketshare?
Who exactly has a market of -30%? From my understanding market share begins at zero. Then it goes up from there.
How can anyone have a negative marketshare?
Please explain because I fail to understand what you are driving at.
When you say "negative marketshare", I would ask if you can clarify what your meaning is.
"Here, someone said Apple is declining, and that is correct w.r.t. marketshare."
Not exactly
the poster I was responding too said "Apple is on a downhill slide"
They didn't qualify it as "Apple is on a downhill slide w.r.t marketshare"
That is something you injected based on your interpretation.
There was no qualifying statement to indicate this "downward slide" the poster was alluding to was limited in any sense to a discussion of market share.
If you don't really appreciate my commentary or wish to read it then you simply don't have to read the entire thread and feel impelled respond. You don't really need to direct me to comment on other forums either. Simply skip over irritating commentary and move along my friend, as do we all.
I have been commenting for some 17 or 18 years on this forum and have every intention on commenting whatever topic based upon my interpretation of what is being said and with any insights I have. This is what forums are for and I will continue to do so in a way which I deem fit. Thanks for you concern.
Ran across this link while poking around:
http://appleinsider.com/articl...
I read that Google maps on the iPhones was hobbled. No Turn-by-turn and no vector maps only bitmaps on the iPhones.
The 2 companies were in negotiations about these issues, but negotiations broke down. I suppose Google wanting its own branding could have added to this breakdown. The goals of the 2 giants are a bit different and both look to their own interest.
Neither company as far as I can tell really suffered from the parting of ways. Apple got a bit of a bloody nose rushing out a Beta product, but now that they have had a couple of years of data and programing time to stamp out the issues, much of what people complained about when Apple Maps was released has vanished.
Anyhow. for the user it is good that there are competing products pushing the barriers. I wish Nokia could get whatever their mapping thing was going so there would be even more competition. I actually like more than only 2 great products. 3 or more is always a boon. Innovation goes way up then.
No one said declining marketshare necessarily means declining profits, necessarily immediately. Cool down.
I wasn't criticizing people for saying anything about profits. My critique was only about people using Marketshare alone as a sign of the beginning of an Apple decline. Many people seem to equate declining marketshare as a sign that Apple is beginning to fade and will fail eventually as a result of this. Apple will eventually decline as all companies in history do, but this particular decline in marketshare on a particular sector of products has nothing to do with a decline by anyone. It has more to do with the commoditization of this particular market. My critique had nothing to do with linking people views on marketshare with their non-stated views about profits.
People making statements about Apples declining market share and dire predictions of Apple failing rarely mention profits.
Only problem is your imagination of people saying Apple is facing financial issues now or in near future.
Did I say "people are saying Apple is facing financial issues..."? I don't believe I used terminology like that.
What I am responding to are the vary real and unimagined statements so often trotted out on forums like this preceding comment.
"It's a start, and Apple is on the downhill slide."
My point is that people say Apple is declining or failing without needing any metric other than market share to supposedly demonstrate this decline. I merely pointed out that this is not the case. And in a more round about way you seemed to also be able to separate the two "declining marketshare [does not] necessarily mean(s) declining profits". Neither does it mean Apple is on a "downhill slide"
It is not an imagined critique since statements such as the above one pepper the forums all over the web whenever there is an article about market share of android or iOS devices. Fanbois of both Apple and Android litter the forums with commentary about the apparent domination their pet company or impending collapse of the other persons company. Such discussion is rarely relevant since the entire market is really evolving and diversifying.
I don't really think of the discussion in terms of winning anything. I merely want to counter assertions about me or what I was intending.
We can both agree that fanboi culture is useless and irritating.
We probably both agree that in some measure trolling is annoying.
Fanboi's and Trolls are a small and persistent part of any online forums both now and on into the future.
I'm not as indignant about "hype" in the same way you seem to be. You seem to be thinking of hype as a primary mechanism for fanboi's of all flavors to push forward their ideas. I suppose this could be true hype is a bad thing, but I look at it in terms of everything I read. I can take it or leave it.
The only thing though that I find tiresome is the Fanboi tendency to constantly bring up the same points over and over again in every thread. Each side bashes the other in a tiresome and non-sensical way, but more or less the same all of the time. None of any side is interested in looking at what is or isn't factual and none seems swayed that there are benefits to every platform and it is ok for people to chose them without being accused of being dim-witted.
Not excoriating my existence.
Fair enough you didn't excoriate my existence just berated a simple informational point as something it wasn't nor intended to be and equated me with something you and I both find distasteful (fanbois) but labeled my information as fanboi hooha.
You say the full article seemed like an ad, I didn't read the article. I was only commenting on what I thought the other poster was saying. Perhaps you took my commentary to be Linux Fanboi-ism it wasn't.
Anyhow. what I interpreted the OP to be saying was all he thought was needed was an open platform.
I just pointed him to an upcoming possibility.
Bingo is just something people say as an exclamation sometimes. Kind of like ah-ha I found this. Or woot woot here you go. Bingo isn't an end all answer or anything at least not in the context I was intending. It is kind of like saying wooohooo in the sense of excitement I was intending.
What legitimate point in your view was the GP raising that I answered by the exclamation Bingo. Bingo doesn't answer anything. The words before the bingo provide some information and I was excited to share it. Quite simple really. Nothing fanboi about that in the slightest.
Yep.but are Apple and Blackberry really comparable?
Blackberry has no diversification.
Blackberry has not created a product which has competed with Apple or Googles Android.
The same cannot be said for Apple and Google android phones. They dominate the market Samsung and Apple at least are making hoards of cash. The rest including hoards of Android makers are scrambling for the scraps right now.
When exactly do you expect Apple to suddenly go into the red?
Blackberry is where they are no because of 6 years of decline.
Since apple is still rising when do you think they are going to top out?
Will Samsung top out or will they continue to break all records for the next 10 years or so?
Questions like this should remain for the future, but making statements as to Apple impending demise seems premature since they have not yet maxed out and not even been on a downward trend even. That is my only point.
People like to say Apple is declining, but there really isn't any financial indication this is so.
What semantic gymnastics you are trying to pull off. Why are you trying to imbue what I said with something other than what I said.
You misconstrued the bit I originally posted and then tried to tie it with something I wrote in response to you.
The original post is simple and too the point. I can't be responsible for your constructing another reality about what it all meant.
That is for you to distill for yourself.
In response to the OP I posted.
"Sailfish OS based on Meego will soon be installable on Android tablets and phones. Bingo."
There is nothing about that statement which patently false, fanboish, witty, or a debate point.
There is nothing misleading or unrealistic about the statement.
There is nothing in my statement which has anything to do with what is used or works in the tech world overall.
Although Sailfish OS is a linux based distro, I wasn't touting Linux.
I was trying to find something pertinent to the OP who wanted an alternative to Android OS I assume .
The statement doesn't make the tech world look stupid.
The statement makes no mention of the value of work of tech workers or anyone else.
The statement is not hype. It is called information. People can look at it or not as they will and see if the info has relevance for what they want.
I completely disagree with your vitriolic post.
I'm not sure what the point of it is. To attack me, whom you don't know. Why would someone wish to impugn a random person presenting simple information? To what end? Or is your point to rail against mock fanboi foes?
Incoherence does not make your case very well in either case.
Do you often pick random people on the internet to jump all over with vitriolic tirades? What is your goal?
Although you say seek as you say to present a coherent point, I fear you may have missed the mark since Ad Hominem attacks on random unknown folks on the web do not bode well for the logic or strength of ones own case. Too much labeling combined with non-existence of support for what you are saying is simply silliness.
I didn't intend to be witty or slam someone.
I wasn't trying to win a debate either. There wasn't an actual debate by any definition I know of.
Someone says 'we need an open platform' I say 'sailfish, bingo'
What am I a fanboi of exactly?
Your point can only be coherent if it is readily relevant to a particular point.
Your analysis of what my comment was, what my comment meant, and my personal status as some sort of fanboi are not apt.
In this case my comment is so entirely trite that there is not much grist for you to react to other than what you yourself are seeing.
In this case "bingo" just meant. You want an open platform other than android. here is an option.
Market share is only meaningful if 1. your product cannot be viable, begins to fade, and sales dwindle or if 2. support of your product become inadequate in the marketplace. Neither of these things is in fact happening yet with Apple. At some point as is the case with all companies, Apple will fade to glee of many, but this is not what is happening currently.
Such a failure of a company could be reflected in market share when it is paired with other factors, but Apple is not yet dwindling in the actual marketplace. Other more pertinent measures would be unit sales and profitability. Apple continues and upward trend in year-over-year profitability. Apples as of last quarter posted record sales numbers for its devices and record profits. Apple has so much in cash reserves that they Wall Street complains about that as well. And Apple seems to be expanding into new market areas where their technology and cash will make them a big player. Overall Apple seems to be suffering from being the most profitable company in monetary terms in the history of our planet and at least for now not dwindling.
Market share, at least in this case, is a bit of a deceptive red-herring. Marketshare is the one hit wonder answer that gets trotted out to demonstrate how Apple is failing each month and yet market share is changing because of the flood of cheap devices which compete for the lower end of the market. By merely saying market share proves Apple is on a downward slide people willfully remain ignorant of all the other factors which would indicate exactly the opposite is true. at least up until this last quarter.
The phone market is subsidized so people don't know what things cost. Free this and free that everywhere just sign the next couple years of your life getting ripped off for the privilege.
Tablets people have to flat out buy no subsidy.
Head to the school yard. Tons of Android Tablets there.
I see lots of tablets at elementary schools.
Seems like all the kids have them now since they got them as stocking stuffers.
My kids keep asking why they can't get tablets and take them to school.
Seems they are the only ones without devices at recess.
hahahaha
I think that Androids will likely exceed 90% of the market because of the lower end devices and not because of the high end ones. This is simply because of basic economics. People with lesser means will want a tablet like anyone else, but if they can't afford to get a higher end device, a lower end device will serve their needs/wallet. Those lower end disposable commodity products are beginning to appear and will drive the numbers game.
A $40 price tag lowers the threshold in a way that many more devices can and will be sold. Those will become ubiquitous. Premium products will be premium products, but like watches or cars, only relatively few on the planet will have a Bugatti or "Lange and Sohne".More people will get a Kia or Timex. Same with tablets.
In the end, everyone will have a tablet but those tablets won't be higher end Apple tablets or the various higher end Android tablets.
Choices are a great thing!
Awesome I love battery life.
Can't wait to try a Nexus 7. Do you know if the Nexus 10 have long battery life as well?
For what are you using it?
Sucks in what way?
Sucks is a fairly wide open non-specific descriptor.
Our iPad gets probably 30 hours use a week by all of our family. It seems to be useful to each member of the family for different purposes.
Perhaps it is missing key features, but I don't really think we notice because we each have our own way of using it.
And when we need real computing power we just jump on the desktop machine.
We haven't really regretted having an iPad for any reason.
I too think there is a market for larger tablets. Smaller and smaller no matter how great the resolution leaves my old eyes somewhat tired.
On the flip side, I could use a phone that is actually smaller than the platters they keep putting out.
I want the phone to be a phonesure it needs a few apps, but that is just to get by while on the move when I am not near some bigger screen.
The way it seems now.. phones are getting bigger, tablets smaller. Pretty soon there will just be one big phone-tablet to tote around.
hahahaha
Just curious.
Which are the important metrics you are using to come to the conclusion Apple is on a downward slide?
So what you are saying is Niterios is a plant perhaps?