Indeed, the Nietzscheans are too regimented and survival-oriented. Nietzsche was concerned about a full range of emotion, an overwhelming feeling (be it positive or negative) for everything and anything, that the Nietzscheans lack.
They really should be called 'The Social Darwinists' or something. Concern about the survival of one's species is not the be-all and end-all of Nietzsche.
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Sometimes I just despair. Look at all of you, pontificating, arms outstretched in righteous indignation because your views have been overlooked.
Well, I have a message for you: Shut it.
Firstly, the OS is Free. Free does not mean open. Free means 'gratis' or 'given away at no cost to the customer' NOT 'modifiable', 'open source' or 'related to linux'.
Right, now we've got that one sorted..
This next vitriolic outburst goes out to all those debating the need / pointlessness of the entire project. Don't bother. It's neat. It's something to show your easily impressed friends. It may, even, have a future. Who knows, perhaps some great technological benefit may come of it. Who knows? As it is, at the moment it's a great idea (if a little misguided) but wait to see what happens in the future before deciding that you know exactly what's going to happen.
Also, I'd like to remind you that the most pointless inventions often succeed - who remembers the Dyson Vaccuum Cleaners? Completely bag-less, suck up far more dust than normal vaccuum cleaners, but half the dust it sucks up flies across the room when you try and empty the damn thing.
And, finally: A word from our sponsors: Play quietly people. We don't want anyone escaping from the herd, do we now?
It's probably not pot, then.. I've never been so pro-linux as when I am stoned.
To keep this on-topic (even while replying to a Troll) I feel that the Pad is a) a neat idea and b) a very neat Idea. This is because it a) Runs Linux and b) presumably has a wipe-clean screen just in case I get any ash on it.
--Nick Very Pro-Linux at the moment, thank you. Replying to Troll *thwack* Bad! *thwack*
... named GOD, the logical names for my PDC and BDCs are: Indoctrination, Morals, Control, Ignorance.
You see, when they all go down.. then.. God is Dead.
I'm sorry. That was awful. Then again - it relieves the monotony of my day..
Just don't get me started on my Nietzsche domain... Zarathustra, Friedrich, and so on...
Although, I do have a friend who names all his servers after metal band members. It's hard to keep a straight face when you're fiddling around with the insides of M_Manson.
It's a brand new concept, and some of the more inventive models don't even need any electricity! Be one of the first to usher in the new age of type-writing.
"I don't pretend to understand Women's little quirks One thing that I know fer sure Chicks dig jerks."
... "Is that a new bruise you got on you? What does that say? That he loves you?"
.... "What do I have to offer you baby? Poetry and true love. That's not enough, I know for sure... You need someone to throw you through the door."
And so on.. I might be known as 'Captain Infidelity', but at least I have never *even* got angry with a woman. Well, with anyone I've been out with for that matter.
The problem is that we're still at the point where intelligence and personality is bottom of the list when it comes to choosing a partner. Oh, and no-one actually knows what 'love' is. It seems to be an excuse these days, or a word used in place of an apology. I doubt, somehow, that the concept even exists anymore. There is a term for all of this - 'destructive self-interest'.
and try not to think of the arrogant (and stupid) manipulativeness of the AIs in Gibson books.
I think that Clarke is describing the beginning to a society very much like Ian M. Bank's 'The Culture' where decisions about resource management, politics, science and pretty much anything else of any importance are made by AIs who are benevolent - although impossible to fathom due to their superiority to meat brains.
We will be relegated (as it were) to enjoying ourselves, allowing as much privacy as we require but the society will be so open-ended that things like blackmail will be nearly impossible (due, perhaps, to the fact that almost nothing will be prohibited and almost any image or movie can be created completely artificially.)
Eventually, we will be pretty much obsolete, but as long as we make the AIs our protectors rather than our competitors, then there shouldn't be any problems...
at least...
not until they (the AIs) start building more complex AIs.
But then, what is the point of destroying us? Is there anything to gain apart from the precious few resources that we consume?
Hey! I'm from Bristol! Should that be 'Fraaaaahm Bristle?' Anyway, we have a proud and historic tradition of Nun Boiling in Bristol, and you should not mock it, lest you wish to be boiled alive in the kettle of Justice. Yours in anticipation, --Nick
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Indeed, the Nietzscheans are too regimented and survival-oriented. Nietzsche was concerned about a full range of emotion, an overwhelming feeling (be it positive or negative) for everything and anything, that the Nietzscheans lack.
They really should be called 'The Social Darwinists' or something. Concern about the survival of one's species is not the be-all and end-all of Nietzsche.
--Nick
http://ident.cjb.net
Sometimes I just despair.
Look at all of you, pontificating, arms outstretched in righteous indignation because your views have been overlooked.
Well, I have a message for you: Shut it.
Firstly, the OS is Free. Free does not mean open.
Free means 'gratis' or 'given away at no cost to the customer' NOT 'modifiable', 'open source' or 'related to linux'.
Right, now we've got that one sorted..
This next vitriolic outburst goes out to all those debating the need / pointlessness of the entire project.
Don't bother.
It's neat. It's something to show your easily impressed friends. It may, even, have a future. Who knows, perhaps some great technological benefit may come of it. Who knows?
As it is, at the moment it's a great idea (if a little misguided) but wait to see what happens in the future before deciding that you know exactly what's going to happen.
Also, I'd like to remind you that the most pointless inventions often succeed - who remembers the Dyson Vaccuum Cleaners?
Completely bag-less, suck up far more dust than normal vaccuum cleaners, but half the dust it sucks up flies across the room when you try and empty the damn thing.
And, finally: A word from our sponsors:
Play quietly people. We don't want anyone escaping from the herd, do we now?
--Nick
It's probably not pot, then..
I've never been so pro-linux as when I am stoned.
To keep this on-topic (even while replying to a Troll) I feel that the Pad is a) a neat idea and b) a very neat Idea.
This is because it a) Runs Linux
and b) presumably has a wipe-clean screen just in case I get any ash on it.
--Nick
Very Pro-Linux at the moment, thank you.
Replying to Troll *thwack* Bad! *thwack*
... named GOD, the logical names for my PDC and BDCs are:
..
Indoctrination,
Morals,
Control,
Ignorance.
You see, when they all go down..
then
God is Dead.
I'm sorry. That was awful.
Then again - it relieves the monotony of my day..
Just don't get me started on my Nietzsche domain...
Zarathustra, Friedrich, and so on...
Although, I do have a friend who names all his servers after metal band members.
It's hard to keep a straight face when you're fiddling around with the insides of M_Manson.
--Nick
GothTartUK
It's called a typewriter.
It's a brand new concept, and some of the more inventive models don't even need any electricity!
Be one of the first to usher in the new age of type-writing.
Only $2,499 (special limited offer!).
Buy Buy Buy!
Deary deary me.
--Nick
Wasn't that the song at the end of 'Relentless'?
"I don't pretend to understand
Women's little quirks
One thing that I know fer sure
Chicks dig jerks."
...
"Is that a new bruise you got on you?
What does that say? That he loves you?"
....
"What do I have to offer you baby?
Poetry and true love.
That's not enough, I know for sure...
You need someone to throw you through the door."
And so on..
I might be known as 'Captain Infidelity', but at least I have never *even* got angry with a woman.
Well, with anyone I've been out with for that matter.
The problem is that we're still at the point where intelligence and personality is bottom of the list when it comes to choosing a partner.
Oh, and no-one actually knows what 'love' is. It seems to be an excuse these days, or a word used in place of an apology. I doubt, somehow, that the concept even exists anymore.
There is a term for all of this - 'destructive self-interest'.
--Nick
GothTartUK
Someone who *knows* 'God'?
Oh my Goth!
(sorry, It had to be said...)
--Nick
GothTartUK
"Idolisation of a person leads to a devaluation of self-worth."
Aparrently.
and try not to think of the arrogant (and stupid) manipulativeness of the AIs in Gibson books.
I think that Clarke is describing the beginning to a society very much like Ian M. Bank's 'The Culture' where decisions about resource management, politics, science and pretty much anything else of any importance are made by AIs who are benevolent - although impossible to fathom due to their superiority to meat brains.
We will be relegated (as it were) to enjoying ourselves, allowing as much privacy as we require but the society will be so open-ended that things like blackmail will be nearly impossible (due, perhaps, to the fact that almost nothing will be prohibited and almost any image or movie can be created completely artificially.)
Eventually, we will be pretty much obsolete, but as long as we make the AIs our protectors rather than our competitors, then there shouldn't be any problems...
at least...
not until they (the AIs) start building more complex AIs.
But then, what is the point of destroying us? Is there anything to gain apart from the precious few resources that we consume?
Hmmmmmn.
--Nick
Hey! I'm from Bristol!
Should that be 'Fraaaaahm Bristle?'
Anyway, we have a proud and historic tradition of Nun Boiling in Bristol, and you should not mock it, lest you wish to be boiled alive in the kettle of Justice.
Yours in anticipation,
--Nick