"Secondly, that because going to the bathroom during the boring parts (and the court in no way implies that there are boring parts in Hollywood movies) also results in the creation of a derivative work, it is also forbidden by law."
Well, there is an answer to that one >:)
Just make everyone wear diapers to the movie theater
Well then, if your definition of Christian is "that use the Old and New Testament Bible as the basis for its belief" then yes Mormonism wouuld very much be considered Christian. as "We beleive the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly..." it is part of our cannon scripture, and is studied constently.
Wow, you probably don't have a very wide meeting with Momons then. Yes, the LDS (Mormon) culture is very heavy on prosoliting (sp?), preaching, we do have a heavy stance against Gay marriage (though those of us with any decency treat those that are gay with as much respect as anyone else, and don't wish to stop you from practicing homosexuality.) We have strong biases against drinking period (on Sunday or any other day), but still won't stop you from drinking on Sunday.
But not withstanding our beliefs we also don't coerce others to follow or beleive them. We share those beleifs willing and openly, but do not coerce, and always (or at least should be always) respect others beleifs and life-style choices.
Well, you obviously haven't had pronogrpahy ruin your life then. But it sure has mine, so I consider it proof positive. Not any "claim" but real actual experience.
Replay to the top first, Actually apparently it is illegal to even cut up the VHS tapes, these exact same companies got in the exact same trouble when they were phiscially editing VHS tapes that their customers purchased and brought in. They were providing the service of splicing the tapes. But even that the movie companies went after. Its not really about content and distribution, its about control.
In rely to this post, yes anyone creating a player that allows you to skip parts of a movie is being found illegal to, unfortunatly because the movie and music industires have so much money to lobby and to fight in courts.
Between all the courts and all the new hardware with built in DRM, you won't be able to make such a player that can skip anything (legally make such a player anyway, because such a player would be against the DCMCA).
The problem is that they are hypocritical, they allow the TV and the Airline and other such companies to make edits, but they won't let the home user do it, or a small company do it.
Which only points to one thing: they want to control the consumer!!!
And unfortunately they are getting away with it every law suite the file, every law they get passed in any country, with every new version of software, and even with the new integrated DRM into the hardware.
"So putting all this together, if CleanFlix could somehow (and I realize this isn't possible in real life) modify the original media so the DVD player would play the edited version of the movie, I don't think the movie studios could touch them. If CleanFlix sold you the information so you could make the change yourself, the movie studios couldn't do anything. If CleanFlix sold a special DVD player that could download (or read from a disc, etc), the specific edits and play the original disc with the edits made in real-time, the movie studios couldn't complain. I think this is consistent with the view you stated."
This would be what "fair use" is all about. Except the reason the companies are complaining about CleanFlix and such, and all of the other things is that they don't want to allow "fair use" anymore. Just wait until HD-DVD and Blue-Ray are really the mainstay. You can't play them on Linux because they won't release the DRM to licencing, in fact you won't be able to play them unless it is specially made Players with all the hardware that enforces DRM. In essence what they want and what they are doing is taking away the fair use rights. Have you ever poped in a DVD that had commercials at the front, and you couldn't even skip over or fast foward the commercials (there are DVD's out there taht are like that). Well, with HD-DVD they will have even more of that, and you will be relagated to using the Players that won't allow you to do anything but watch the film with all adverts and everything they want you to see in real time just the way.
It is only a matter of time before even "Edits in Real Time" won't be possible at all. So its not really about the "edits" that they are complaining, it is about who has control. And they are control freaks and want all the control. And, unfortunately, without the likes of the slashdot community up in arms over it, they will get all the control. So, CleanFlix won't even be able to create a special HD-DVD player, nor will the Linux community, all because of DRM and the DCMCA. Which is why I am sticking with DVD, and will not move to HD-DVD until I can no longer buy DVDs, and all mine are too scratched up to view. Oh wait, long before then I will make and just use and keep making and using my "backup" copy of fair use for my DVDs.
"distribute a DVD that contains the data for the edits, superimposed silhouettes and additional soundtrack"
Yea DVD's can do this. I just saw "Muppets from Space" on DVD where they did exactly that, it was funny to watch that way. I only had time to watch the first half hour, but it made the "commentary" track pretty funny with the silhouettes. I have seen lots that have just a Sound over (usually called commentary), which is just another audio track. On the Disney DVD "Chronical's of Narnia--The Lion the Witch, and the Wardrobe" they had cute facts pop up on screen on the commentary track. Its possible to do, gettting any company to do it for a "Mystery Science Theater 3000" style silly thing might be difficult unless its already something that the owners laugh at (think like a kid) as it is. Like "Muppets from Space" being a cute laugable kids flick.
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"Secondly, that because going to the bathroom during the boring parts (and the court in no way implies that there are boring parts in Hollywood movies) also results in the creation of a derivative work, it is also forbidden by law."
Well, there is an answer to that one >:)
Just make everyone wear diapers to the movie theater
Yes I know you were being satirical.
Well then, if your definition of Christian is "that use the Old and New Testament Bible as the basis for its belief" then yes Mormonism wouuld very much be considered Christian. as "We beleive the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly..." it is part of our cannon scripture, and is studied constently.
From a Momon's Perspective,
Wow, you probably don't have a very wide meeting with Momons then. Yes, the LDS (Mormon) culture is very heavy on prosoliting (sp?), preaching, we do have a heavy stance against Gay marriage (though those of us with any decency treat those that are gay with as much respect as anyone else, and don't wish to stop you from practicing homosexuality.) We have strong biases against drinking period (on Sunday or any other day), but still won't stop you from drinking on Sunday.
But not withstanding our beliefs we also don't coerce others to follow or beleive them. We share those beleifs willing and openly, but do not coerce, and always (or at least should be always) respect others beleifs and life-style choices.
Well, you obviously haven't had pronogrpahy ruin your life then. But it sure has mine, so I consider it proof positive. Not any "claim" but real actual experience.
Replay to the top first, Actually apparently it is illegal to even cut up the VHS tapes, these exact same companies got in the exact same trouble when they were phiscially editing VHS tapes that their customers purchased and brought in. They were providing the service of splicing the tapes. But even that the movie companies went after. Its not really about content and distribution, its about control.
In rely to this post, yes anyone creating a player that allows you to skip parts of a movie is being found illegal to, unfortunatly because the movie and music industires have so much money to lobby and to fight in courts.
Between all the courts and all the new hardware with built in DRM, you won't be able to make such a player that can skip anything (legally make such a player anyway, because such a player would be against the DCMCA).
The problem is that they are hypocritical, they allow the TV and the Airline and other such companies to make edits, but they won't let the home user do it, or a small company do it.
Which only points to one thing: they want to control the consumer!!!
And unfortunately they are getting away with it every law suite the file, every law they get passed in any country, with every new version of software, and even with the new integrated DRM into the hardware.
"So putting all this together, if CleanFlix could somehow (and I realize this isn't possible in real life) modify the original media so the DVD player would play the edited version of the movie, I don't think the movie studios could touch them. If CleanFlix sold you the information so you could make the change yourself, the movie studios couldn't do anything. If CleanFlix sold a special DVD player that could download (or read from a disc, etc), the specific edits and play the original disc with the edits made in real-time, the movie studios couldn't complain. I think this is consistent with the view you stated." This would be what "fair use" is all about. Except the reason the companies are complaining about CleanFlix and such, and all of the other things is that they don't want to allow "fair use" anymore. Just wait until HD-DVD and Blue-Ray are really the mainstay. You can't play them on Linux because they won't release the DRM to licencing, in fact you won't be able to play them unless it is specially made Players with all the hardware that enforces DRM. In essence what they want and what they are doing is taking away the fair use rights. Have you ever poped in a DVD that had commercials at the front, and you couldn't even skip over or fast foward the commercials (there are DVD's out there taht are like that). Well, with HD-DVD they will have even more of that, and you will be relagated to using the Players that won't allow you to do anything but watch the film with all adverts and everything they want you to see in real time just the way. It is only a matter of time before even "Edits in Real Time" won't be possible at all. So its not really about the "edits" that they are complaining, it is about who has control. And they are control freaks and want all the control. And, unfortunately, without the likes of the slashdot community up in arms over it, they will get all the control. So, CleanFlix won't even be able to create a special HD-DVD player, nor will the Linux community, all because of DRM and the DCMCA. Which is why I am sticking with DVD, and will not move to HD-DVD until I can no longer buy DVDs, and all mine are too scratched up to view. Oh wait, long before then I will make and just use and keep making and using my "backup" copy of fair use for my DVDs.
"distribute a DVD that contains the data for the edits, superimposed silhouettes and additional soundtrack" Yea DVD's can do this. I just saw "Muppets from Space" on DVD where they did exactly that, it was funny to watch that way. I only had time to watch the first half hour, but it made the "commentary" track pretty funny with the silhouettes. I have seen lots that have just a Sound over (usually called commentary), which is just another audio track. On the Disney DVD "Chronical's of Narnia--The Lion the Witch, and the Wardrobe" they had cute facts pop up on screen on the commentary track. Its possible to do, gettting any company to do it for a "Mystery Science Theater 3000" style silly thing might be difficult unless its already something that the owners laugh at (think like a kid) as it is. Like "Muppets from Space" being a cute laugable kids flick. Neify