Means I as atheist are much better than a theist. Theists would murder, steal, betray without limit if they were not afraid to be punished after death by big daddy. I as atheist am not hindered by such fear, and despite that I don't do such things. Looks like I have my a moral compass on my own.
The whole National Socialism with its 'race' and 'blood' was/is a religion. The scientific background the Nazis tried to construct was as scientific as the creationism.
...and the law is effectively a bad law as a result...
You have no idea how bad. And for companies like Google, this can be handled. But this law demands those infos for all German websites. Some argue that it is even necessary for a 'under construction' place holders. So every small hobby website has to deal with the spam problem. But this is not the worst. The worst are Lawyers. In Germany any lawyer can assume that you do not want to be sued for any infraction against this (or other) laws. So he can assume that you want him to become active on your behalf and send you a cease and desist letter... for a small three figure fee, of course. Many lawyers do this to make some extra money. For some this is actually the main source of income.
Now, of course none of this scum dares to go against Google, but a small site owner can get such a cost-reinforced cease and desist letter for not answering an email fast enough... the law says 'fast electronic contact'. It makes hobby websites in Germany very dangerous.
Paragraph 5 TMG establishes the following general information obligations:
2. Information to permit a fast electronic contact and direct communication with them, including electronic mail address,
IANAL, but email address is explicitly required. And neither 'fast' nor 'direct' sounds much like "we don't read this address" and possibly not even like: "Nope, please use form 'foo' or call us via 'expensive service number'".
is 'Send Feedback' enough? I as I said: IANAL. My gut feeling? Perhaps for Google. Any other smaller site with less deep pockets can expect expensive 'cease and desist' letters and in worse case lengthy court battles.
The law does not restrict this requirement to customers. You have a commercial website, which targets Germany? You are required to provide contact information and react to it in a timely manner. Customer or not.
You don't know that the law according to which Google needs to provide an email address and react to mails to this address in a timely manner, does not restrict in any way this requirement to customers. In Germany any commercial website needs an 'Impressum'. With 'commercial' so loosely defined, that more or less all sites need one. Even those sites, which in theory don't need one, are at a severe legal risk if they don't have one. In short: The law clearly states that the 'impressum' contains an email address you actually read and use. No wriggle space at all.
Google can argue that they've met the requirements of the law by providing a means for customers to communicate. No where in the law does it require Google to respond
No, Google cannot.
2. Angaben zur schnellen Kontaktaufnahme
Paragraph 5 Abs. 1 Nr 2 TMG sagt dazu woertlich:
"Angaben, die eine schnelle elektronische Kontaktaufnahme und unmittelbare Kommunikation mit ihnen ermoeglichen, einschlieÃYlich der Adresse der elektronischen Post."
Translation:
2. information for quick access
Paragraph 5 para 1 no 2 TMG says literally:
"Information to enable a fast electronic contact and direct communication with them, including electronic mail address."
You can hardly more clear than that. And if Google answers:
Google will not respond to or even read your message
it definitely breaks the law, since this is not even a one sided communication.
Sounds sensible and I agree. But just one a bit provocative question, though you are not really the right person to ask. Just some thought for other readers.... and because I cannot resist.;-)
You write:
rape as a narrative.... and a way to make bad guys despicable
How does this work, when only 10% of what feminists try to tell us were true? How would rape in that case make anyone despicable? According to them most men, and probably all nerds would applaud and have pity... with one who was intended to be portrayed as the bad guy, when in the end he gets punished.
You think I exaggerate? This would only be the logical consequence of what Sarkeesian said more or less about gamers and the game Hitman: They get 'hot' on the abuse of dead womens bodies.
The moment we saw what was really going on, they became irrelevant.
Really? They are so irrelevant that you want to leave/. because of the wave they caused. Several other blogs are riding the same train. I would not call this irrelevant.
Actually I don't care for both. They have their agenda, they make money with it. There are certainly worse douchebags (male and females) than those two. But what really disgusts me are their brainwashed, spineless mangina followers.
Too true. And tech or science articles are less and less fun, because for every interesting reply you have to wade through 100 responses of imbeciles who don't even understand a fraction of the topic, but try to be funny. Still why go? Hardly possible to drag down the level here any further, so I have fun. And maybe one of my short sarcastic remarks will blow a fuse of one of those misandristic fanatics.:-)
One thing Sarkeesian should do is work on her misandrism, objectification, and stereotyping of men, starting with the images of fat, lazy male gamers she keeps flashing in the background. The way she stereotypes and puts down men is offensive. And she should work on actually making a point instead of just rambling on.
...that I think would be of most interest of slashdotter's is Zoe Quinn's use of the DMCA...
Not really. Just another little detail. The misandrists won't shirk from any stupidity to excuse this, for all the others it does not come as a surprise.
Not really possible not to play. Even if all 'nerds' would ignore those misandristic ankle biters, they would fake their own 'responses'. To much money involved in a good 'shitstorm' and no morale whatsoever.
Tsk, amateur. The threads here are followups to a feminists whine article. This is a special situation. In cases like this one does not speak about 'trolls'. In this case it must be 'misogynists'.
Even though i do mentally categorize everyone who thinks rape and death threats are cool into the same group
This sentence alone disqualifies you and puts you in the group "Scheming lying feminists and their manginas". I have never seen anyone stating on/. or other forums that rape and death threads are cool. And no, even I don't think they are cool. But by now I don't care anymore. I would never raise even a finger for a women anymore unless I know her very good and know she deserves it. And why should I? White knighting is misogynistic. Objectifies the women and insinuates that they cannot help themselves.
Straw feminist... you are so funny. Too bad for you, there are so many examples of feminist hate speech on the internet that no 'straw feminist' rhetoric can hide that. But coming feminists or their manginas with facts is even less hopeless than teaching a dog quantum mechanics.:-P
Grammatically true. Sloppy me. I meant of course the pluralis maiestatis. Everyone in a public forum speaks for himself, or states clearly for which groups he speaks. Anything else is manipulative and dishonest.
But from certain group members one cannot expect better.
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Atheism offers no values - you have to add them
Means I as atheist are much better than a theist. Theists would murder, steal, betray without limit if they were not afraid to be punished after death by big daddy. I as atheist am not hindered by such fear, and despite that I don't do such things. Looks like I have my a moral compass on my own.
The whole National Socialism with its 'race' and 'blood' was/is a religion. The scientific background the Nazis tried to construct was as scientific as the creationism.
Tsk, you don't understand the bible or christians. This was old testament. This is not valid anymore... unless it is. ;-)
Beyond the computational aspect, we also need to decide, as a society,
...and the law is effectively a bad law as a result...
You have no idea how bad. And for companies like Google, this can be handled. But this law demands those infos for all German websites. Some argue that it is even necessary for a 'under construction' place holders. So every small hobby website has to deal with the spam problem. But this is not the worst. The worst are Lawyers. In Germany any lawyer can assume that you do not want to be sued for any infraction against this (or other) laws. So he can assume that you want him to become active on your behalf and send you a cease and desist letter... for a small three figure fee, of course. Many lawyers do this to make some extra money. For some this is actually the main source of income.
Now, of course none of this scum dares to go against Google, but a small site owner can get such a cost-reinforced cease and desist letter for not answering an email fast enough... the law says 'fast electronic contact'. It makes hobby websites in Germany very dangerous.
Unless there's also a law against IVR in Germany?
IANAL :-)
IANAL, but email address is explicitly required. And neither 'fast' nor 'direct' sounds much like "we don't read this address" and possibly not even like: "Nope, please use form 'foo' or call us via 'expensive service number'".
is 'Send Feedback' enough? I as I said: IANAL. My gut feeling? Perhaps for Google. Any other smaller site with less deep pockets can expect expensive 'cease and desist' letters and in worse case lengthy court battles.
Email is required according to the law.
The law does not restrict this requirement to customers. You have a commercial website, which targets Germany? You are required to provide contact information and react to it in a timely manner. Customer or not.
Since when are assh... erm.... is a Government bound by the same rules as the common rabble?
You don't know that the law according to which Google needs to provide an email address and react to mails to this address in a timely manner, does not restrict in any way this requirement to customers. In Germany any commercial website needs an 'Impressum'. With 'commercial' so loosely defined, that more or less all sites need one. Even those sites, which in theory don't need one, are at a severe legal risk if they don't have one. In short: The law clearly states that the 'impressum' contains an email address you actually read and use. No wriggle space at all.
No, Google cannot.
Translation:
You can hardly more clear than that. And if Google answers:
Google will not respond to or even read your message
it definitely breaks the law, since this is not even a one sided communication.
Sounds sensible and I agree. But just one a bit provocative question, though you are not really the right person to ask. Just some thought for other readers.... and because I cannot resist. ;-)
You write:
How does this work, when only 10% of what feminists try to tell us were true? How would rape in that case make anyone despicable? According to them most men, and probably all nerds would applaud and have pity... with one who was intended to be portrayed as the bad guy, when in the end he gets punished.
You think I exaggerate? This would only be the logical consequence of what Sarkeesian said more or less about gamers and the game Hitman: They get 'hot' on the abuse of dead womens bodies.
Really? They are so irrelevant that you want to leave /. because of the wave they caused. Several other blogs are riding the same train. I would not call this irrelevant.
I disagree. Here some Thunderf00t 'footage', which IMHO show how stupid this 'trope' meme is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57tXyqPCOCM&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9_MVPq1SJY&list=UUmb8hO2ilV9vRa8cilis88A&index=14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDMai9b0UA&list=UUmb8hO2ilV9vRa8cilis88A
IMHO (again), she simply has no leg to stand on. Women are neither better nor worse treated than men in games or films.
Actually I don't care for both. They have their agenda, they make money with it. There are certainly worse douchebags (male and females) than those two. But what really disgusts me are their brainwashed, spineless mangina followers.
You're sure? Not physically, sure. But I think they are firestarters, who deliberately pour oil into the fire for their own financial gains.
Too true. And tech or science articles are less and less fun, because for every interesting reply you have to wade through 100 responses of imbeciles who don't even understand a fraction of the topic, but try to be funny. Still why go? Hardly possible to drag down the level here any further, so I have fun. And maybe one of my short sarcastic remarks will blow a fuse of one of those misandristic fanatics. :-)
Do you know an alternative?
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/a7/a7b7d0021e612cd4758a2b3806895c1f23da64eed498aac29a179b5f5adaadd0.jpg
Not really. Just another little detail. The misandrists won't shirk from any stupidity to excuse this, for all the others it does not come as a surprise.
Not really possible not to play. Even if all 'nerds' would ignore those misandristic ankle biters, they would fake their own 'responses'. To much money involved in a good 'shitstorm' and no morale whatsoever.
Don't worry: I am a misogynists. It is a badge of honor. Much like saying 'I am an anti-fascist'.
Tsk, amateur. The threads here are followups to a feminists whine article. This is a special situation. In cases like this one does not speak about 'trolls'. In this case it must be 'misogynists'.
This sentence alone disqualifies you and puts you in the group "Scheming lying feminists and their manginas". I have never seen anyone stating on /. or other forums that rape and death threads are cool. And no, even I don't think they are cool. But by now I don't care anymore. I would never raise even a finger for a women anymore unless I know her very good and know she deserves it. And why should I? White knighting is misogynistic. Objectifies the women and insinuates that they cannot help themselves.
Straw feminist... you are so funny. Too bad for you, there are so many examples of feminist hate speech on the internet that no 'straw feminist' rhetoric can hide that. But coming feminists or their manginas with facts is even less hopeless than teaching a dog quantum mechanics. :-P
Grammatically true. Sloppy me. I meant of course the pluralis maiestatis. Everyone in a public forum speaks for himself, or states clearly for which groups he speaks. Anything else is manipulative and dishonest.
But from certain group members one cannot expect better.
If you were only part of that group, you still could have been a decent and perhaps likable person.