"The person for whom his self pleasure is the most important things is afraid of anything that might disrupt the fulfilling of these pleasures. Contrary to those who pursue power or profit, he won't take risks that might have as a possible consequence he not being able to enjoy these pleasures anymore, unless the enjoyment is the risk itself...etc."
You wouldn't happen to be a philosophy undergrad, would you?
and medicine. I would guess that putting food on the table and keeping healthy are the things people in developing nations need. Its like the 'internet gap'; some of the people in the U.S. who don't have access to the internet need more important things like food and shelter. Maybee some affordable health care? Just a thought.
'With absolutely no evidence that they intend to do so. So, your facts support more White House lies'
So let me get this straight - the facts that many nations and the UN want Iran to halt enrichment supports the lie that -- and let me see if I understand this -- that many nations and the UN want Iran to halt enrichment? That's...interesting.
It's clear you don't agree with the action on Iraq, but it's far, far, far more complex than you think it is. I know that "Bush lied, people died" is catchy and rhymes and everything, but the situation is a tad more complicated than that. And definitely not as black and white as you seem to think it is.
Black and white. As black and white as your continuance to harp on other countries' desire to have Iran halt enrichment. I said "your facts". Did I say 'your lies'? Yes, as I said in the my previous post, you are right about other countries' opinions on this. 'your facts support more White House lies' refers to wayyyyy back in 2003 when Cheney, et. al., lied about Iraqs nuclear capabilities (among other things). The result of their lies, their patriotic propaganda, is over 3000 dead US soldiers. Thousands more permanently injured, mentally and physically. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths/injuries/tortures. Millions of Iraqis displaced from their homes, millions of Iraqis without clean water, food, shelter, safety. Increased danger to ordinary US people of violent retribution. For nothing. Do you see any slogans here?
While you claim that I am incapable of understanding this 'complex' situation (ad hominem attacks are always classy), I have patiently endured your witless interpretation of my comments. Please, feel free to post more lengthy examples of your ability to cut and paste. Out.
Aaaiiiiiggghghh! The point is: not your facts, but the opinions they support. So other countries don't want Iran to have nuclear power. Fine. What other countries aren't doing is spreading lies about how Iran intends to build nucular weapons. Iran has never expressed an interest in making weapons. Even if they do want to, they probably wouldn't get the capability for ten years. Ten years. With absolutely no evidence that they intend to do so. So, your facts support more White House lies, lies almost identical to ones used before the second invasion of Iraq. Lies which have led to the murder of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, etc, etc.
Perhaps instead of stopping new Hitlers in the Middle East, new Hitlers should be stopped in North America.
'There's no mistake about what's going on there - Iran really is trying to produce a warhead and a delivery system.'
No. There is no evidence whatsoever that they have any interest in producing a nuke. None. There is opinion that they might have the capability in ten years, IF they want a nuke. Ballistic missles could have any payload, they do not point to a desire for nukes. The only people crowing about nukes are the White House, FUDing everyone with lies about Iran's intentions.
Its bad enough you repeat one of the White House talking points on Iran ('the US gov't isn't alone in condemning Iran'). Then you post a lot of different sources to back up 'your' opinion. Then you claim its not propaganda? puuuuuuullllleeeeeeeeeeessseee. Go call into the talk shows with that stuff, it doesn't fly here.
When in doubt, flame. OK. Who needs rational arguements when you have propaganda that you can regurgitate like a good little boy. Goooood boy. Here's a treat for blindly following the utterances of others. Good boy!
Wow! What an 'explosion' of propaganda! I
always find the regurgitation of lies spewed from the White House
'informative', especially after having them etched into my brain again
and again and again and again again...
Lets review the White House talking points:
- the U.S. gov't is not alone in its condemnation of Iran's nuclear
energy research.
- Iran is only the newest of a long line of irrational, overzealous,
evil, insane, axii of evil/boogermen: USSR, Cuba,
Nicaragua(remember: in the 80's, they were going to invade the US via
Texas), Vietnam(the Domino Theory. is Hawaii communist yet?),
China, Iraq(Wheres the WMDs?), Japan, Venezuela, Mexico etc, etc.
- When Iran develops nuclear weapons...possibly...in ten years...and
they blow up the world, you'll be sorry!
- Iran = Hitler.
- Iran is evil.
- Did we mention, Iran is insane?
My apologies for the long
qoute, but it is quite interesting:
"MR. RUSSERT...In March the head
of the International Energy
Atomic Agency, ElBaradei, issued this statement: "A key piece of
evidence linking Iraq to a nuclear weapons program appears to have been
fabricated, the United Nations' chief nuclear inspector said in a
report...Documents that purportedly showed Iraqi officials shopping for
uranium in Africa two years ago were deemed 'not authentic' after
carefully scrutiny by U.N. and independent experts, Mohamed ElBaradei,
director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, told the
U.N. Security Council. Also, ElBaradei reported finding no evidence of
banned weapons or nuclear material in an extensive sweep of Iraq using
advanced radiation detectors. 'There is no indication of resumed
nuclear activities,' ElBaradei said."
Eight days after that, you were on MEET THE PRESS,
and we...
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Right.
MR. RUSSERT:...talked about that specifically.
Let's watch:
(Videotape, March 16, 2003):
MR. RUSSERT: And even though the International
Atomic Energy Agency said he does not have a nuclear program, we
disagree.
VICE
PRES. CHENEY: I disagree, yes. And you'll find the CIA, for example,
and other key parts of our intelligence community, disagree.
And
we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons. I
think Mr.
ElBaradei, frankly, is wrong. And I think if you look at the track
record of the International Atomic Energy Agency and this kind of
issue, especially where Iraq is concerned, they have consistently
underestimated or missed what it was Saddam Hussein was doing. I don't
have any reason to believe they're any more valid this time than
they've been in the past.
(End videotape)
MR. RUSSERT: Reconstituted
nuclear weapons. You misspoke.
VICE
PRES. CHENEY: Yeah. I did misspeak.
I said repeatedly during the show
weapons capability. We never had any evidence that he had acquired a
nuclear weapon.
<Russert,
after letting Cheney completely off the hook for flat out lying to his
face, then helpfully changes the subject. Later in the
interview:>
V.P.
CHENEY...But
we also have to address the question of where might these terrorists
acquire weapons of mass destruction, chemical weapons, biological
weapons, nuclear weapons? And Saddam Hussein becomes a prime suspect in
that regard because of his past track record and because we know he
has, in fact, developed these kinds of capabilities, chemical and
biological weapons. We know he's used chemical weapons. We know he's
reconstituted these programs since the Gulf War. We know he's out
trying once again to
produce nuclear weapons and we know that he has a long-standing
relationship with various terrorist groups, including the al-Qaeda
organization."
-V.P. CHENEY
on 'Meet the Press', March 16, 2003
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080244/
Four years later, the same
lies. They're treating American citizens like idiots and getting
away with it.
Its not about science, its about money. GM crops have not been properly tested because they could produce mammoth profits for the large agricultural corporations. They can patent the very seeds/crops we need to survive. While there is a huge amount of information on the possible benefits of genetic modification, findings on the possible detremental effects are difficult to find. Anyone who reports the bad effects is labelled a luddite or cook, and the findings are scrutinized for faults. Always ask, 'cui bono?' It certainly isn't the general public.
"Students are lazy and going to the library is work. Many have never used
anything besides Google and Wikipedia for research; they don't know how to
efficiently track down sources and references."
Perhaps the issue isn't lazy students, but a lack of research skills.
It could be that they need to be taught proper research skills and encouraged in
their use. <flamebait on> If more national resources were applied to
education and not colonialism, teachers such as the above could have motivated
students with proper research/writing skills. <flamebait off>
Logic has nothing to do with the use of 'non-lethal' weapons on peaceful protestors. 'Non-lethal' weapons (the majority of which have killed people) are infamous for their use to break up demonstrations, peaceful or not. So: if this weapon is devloped, it will be used on protestors, just as rubber/plastic/capsicum bullets, water cannons, tear gas, truncheons, tasers, etc. etc. have been used.
'the king allowed the military units in the colonies to be the dominate force. They didn't have to answer to the Governor. And in many cases they were the civil power.'
Since when does a military force have any business doing the job of
local police authorities? The purpose of a military is to
KILL. Period. End of story. When the military does
crowd control, bad things happen.
Slashdot Mirror
Blame China.
Pot calls kettle black. Story at 11. This kind of behaviour by the US/British/_____ gov't is acceptable, while China is the booger-man? Whatever.
"The person for whom his self pleasure is the most important things is afraid of anything that might disrupt the fulfilling of these pleasures. Contrary to those who pursue power or profit, he won't take risks that might have as a possible consequence he not being able to enjoy these pleasures anymore, unless the enjoyment is the risk itself...etc."
You wouldn't happen to be a philosophy undergrad, would you?
and medicine. I would guess that putting food on the table and keeping healthy are the things people in developing nations need. Its like the 'internet gap'; some of the people in the U.S. who don't have access to the internet need more important things like food and shelter. Maybee some affordable health care? Just a thought.
'With absolutely no evidence that they intend to do so. So, your facts support more White House lies'
So let me get this straight - the facts that many nations and the UN want Iran to halt enrichment supports the lie that -- and let me see if I understand this -- that many nations and the UN want Iran to halt enrichment? That's...interesting.
It's clear you don't agree with the action on Iraq, but it's far, far, far more complex than you think it is. I know that "Bush lied, people died" is catchy and rhymes and everything, but the situation is a tad more complicated than that. And definitely not as black and white as you seem to think it is.
Black and white. As black and white as your continuance to harp on other countries' desire to have Iran halt enrichment. I said "your facts". Did I say 'your lies'? Yes, as I said in the my previous post, you are right about other countries' opinions on this. 'your facts support more White House lies' refers to wayyyyy back in 2003 when Cheney, et. al., lied about Iraqs nuclear capabilities (among other things). The result of their lies, their patriotic propaganda, is over 3000 dead US soldiers. Thousands more permanently injured, mentally and physically. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths/injuries/tortures. Millions of Iraqis displaced from their homes, millions of Iraqis without clean water, food, shelter, safety. Increased danger to ordinary US people of violent retribution. For nothing. Do you see any slogans here?
While you claim that I am incapable of understanding this 'complex' situation (ad hominem attacks are always classy), I have patiently endured your witless interpretation of my comments. Please, feel free to post more lengthy examples of your ability to cut and paste. Out.
Perhaps instead of stopping new Hitlers in the Middle East, new Hitlers should be stopped in North America.
No. There is no evidence whatsoever that they have any interest in producing a nuke. None. There is opinion that they might have the capability in ten years, IF they want a nuke. Ballistic missles could have any payload, they do not point to a desire for nukes. The only people crowing about nukes are the White House, FUDing everyone with lies about Iran's intentions.
Its bad enough you repeat one of the White House talking points on Iran ('the US gov't isn't alone in condemning Iran'). Then you post a lot of different sources to back up 'your' opinion. Then you claim its not propaganda? puuuuuuullllleeeeeeeeeeessseee. Go call into the talk shows with that stuff, it doesn't fly here.
That good enough for you, or do you want to keep thinking it's a propaganda game against innocent little Iran?
Woooo! you really showed them! Take that, you pinko lefties!
Boy, that Bojangles sure is a helluva dancer!
When in doubt, flame. OK. Who needs rational arguements when you have propaganda that you can regurgitate like a good little boy. Goooood boy. Here's a treat for blindly following the utterances of others. Good boy!
Wow! What an 'explosion' of propaganda! I always find the regurgitation of lies spewed from the White House 'informative', especially after having them etched into my brain again and again and again and again again...
Lets review the White House talking points:
- the U.S. gov't is not alone in its condemnation of Iran's nuclear energy research.
- Iran is only the newest of a long line of irrational, overzealous, evil, insane, axii of evil/boogermen: USSR, Cuba, Nicaragua(remember: in the 80's, they were going to invade the US via Texas), Vietnam(the Domino Theory. is Hawaii communist yet?), China, Iraq(Wheres the WMDs?), Japan, Venezuela, Mexico etc, etc.
- When Iran develops nuclear weapons...possibly...in ten years...and they blow up the world, you'll be sorry!
- Iran = Hitler.
- Iran is evil.
- Did we mention, Iran is insane?
Bleech.
"MR. RUSSERT...In March the head of the International Energy Atomic Agency, ElBaradei, issued this statement: "A key piece of evidence linking Iraq to a nuclear weapons program appears to have been fabricated, the United Nations' chief nuclear inspector said in a report...Documents that purportedly showed Iraqi officials shopping for uranium in Africa two years ago were deemed 'not authentic' after carefully scrutiny by U.N. and independent experts, Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, told the U.N. Security Council. Also, ElBaradei reported finding no evidence of banned weapons or nuclear material in an extensive sweep of Iraq using advanced radiation detectors. 'There is no indication of resumed nuclear activities,' ElBaradei said."
Eight days after that, you were on MEET THE PRESS, and we...
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Right.
MR. RUSSERT: ...talked about that specifically.
Let's watch:
(Videotape, March 16, 2003):
MR. RUSSERT: And even though the International Atomic Energy Agency said he does not have a nuclear program, we disagree.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I disagree, yes. And you'll find the CIA, for example, and other key parts of our intelligence community, disagree.
And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons. I think Mr. ElBaradei, frankly, is wrong. And I think if you look at the track record of the International Atomic Energy Agency and this kind of issue, especially where Iraq is concerned, they have consistently underestimated or missed what it was Saddam Hussein was doing. I don't have any reason to believe they're any more valid this time than they've been in the past.
(End videotape)
MR. RUSSERT: Reconstituted nuclear weapons. You misspoke.VICE PRES. CHENEY: Yeah. I did misspeak. I said repeatedly during the show weapons capability. We never had any evidence that he had acquired a nuclear weapon.
<Russert, after letting Cheney completely off the hook for flat out lying to his face, then helpfully changes the subject. Later in the interview:>
V.P. CHENEY...But we also have to address the question of where might these terrorists acquire weapons of mass destruction, chemical weapons, biological weapons, nuclear weapons? And Saddam Hussein becomes a prime suspect in that regard because of his past track record and because we know he has, in fact, developed these kinds of capabilities, chemical and biological weapons. We know he's used chemical weapons. We know he's reconstituted these programs since the Gulf War. We know he's out trying once again to produce nuclear weapons and we know that he has a long-standing relationship with various terrorist groups, including the al-Qaeda organization."
-V.P. CHENEYon 'Meet the Press', March 16, 2003
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080244/
Four years later, the same lies. They're treating American citizens like idiots and getting away with it.
Its not about science, its about money. GM crops have not been properly tested because they could produce mammoth profits for the large agricultural corporations. They can patent the very seeds/crops we need to survive. While there is a huge amount of information on the possible benefits of genetic modification, findings on the possible detremental effects are difficult to find. Anyone who reports the bad effects is labelled a luddite or cook, and the findings are scrutinized for faults. Always ask, 'cui bono?' It certainly isn't the general public.
-sniiiiiiiiif- ahhhhhh! nothing like fresh, regurgitated propaganda! ahhhhhh!
? informative? Um... the article was a press release from LockheedMartin. Got stock in them or something?
"Students are lazy and going to the library is work. Many have never used anything besides Google and Wikipedia for research; they don't know how to efficiently track down sources and references."
Perhaps the issue isn't lazy students, but a lack of research skills. It could be that they need to be taught proper research skills and encouraged in their use. <flamebait on> If more national resources were applied to education and not colonialism, teachers such as the above could have motivated students with proper research/writing skills. <flamebait off>
Logic has nothing to do with the use of 'non-lethal' weapons on peaceful protestors. 'Non-lethal' weapons (the majority of which have killed people) are infamous for their use to break up demonstrations, peaceful or not. So: if this weapon is devloped, it will be used on protestors, just as rubber/plastic/capsicum bullets, water cannons, tear gas, truncheons, tasers, etc. etc. have been used.
'the king allowed the military units in the colonies to be the dominate force. They didn't have to answer to the Governor. And in many cases they were the civil power.'
Thats what I mean.
Wow. The pentagon friendly "Psy-Op" parent post is frighteningly "insightful". Buy that account on E-Bay, sergeant?
This post is about as "informative" as a pentagon press briefing.
Who is moderating this crap? Donald Rumsfeld?
Here is just one report.
"The developers clearly had good intentions when designing this."
Hmmmm... A military that not only monitors peaceful protesters, but aims to inflict non-lethal, excruciating pain on them.
Among the 'Oppressions' mentioned in the U.S. Declaration of Independance:
'He <the King of Great Britain> has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.'
Since when does a military force have any business doing the job of local police authorities? The purpose of a military is to KILL. Period. End of story. When the military does crowd control, bad things happen.