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Drive-By Internet In Hard-To-Reach Places

oldwindways writes "The BBC reports that in developing nations where it is prohibitively expensive to install the infrastructure for wired internet connections, drive by wireless updates are becoming a popular solution to the demand for internet access. This sounds great for checking news updates, sports scores, and visiting your regular websites, but somewhat limited if you are trying to do basic research and don't know exactly where your search will take you. It is certainly an innovative solution to some of the problems encountered in tackling the digital divide, but what longterm effects might this model have on the development of a communications infrastructure?"

76 comments

  1. that, and more! by User+956 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Buses equipped with wi-fi are being used to deliver web content to remote rural villages in the developing world.

    They have wi-fi equipped buses in this country too. Actually, since PCI is a standard, you can equip it with a lot more than just that.

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    1. Re:that, and more! by wurp · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      What is "this" country?

    2. Re:that, and more! by tres3 · · Score: 1

      And how do the buses get connected? If they are the providers of content then they aren't getting it through WiFi themselves.

    3. Re:that, and more! by dotgain · · Score: 2, Funny

      If they are the providers of content then they aren't getting it through WiFi themselves.
      WiNot?
    4. Re:that, and more! by User+956 · · Score: 2, Funny

      What is "this" country? Any country with ATX-spec motherboards?

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    5. Re:that, and more! by jmpeax · · Score: 1

      Har Har! I like the way people thought you were talking about a real country. I didn't realise it was possible to read Slashdot and not know what a bus is.

  2. It's not just the installation by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 3, Informative

    These places typically have huge problems with keeping wired systems going. Poor roads & access make it hard to fix physical breakages. In many areas, copper phone lines get stolen on regular basis for sale as scrap metal. You can't steal the ether.

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    1. Re:It's not just the installation by jackharrer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes you can steal ether.
      Ever heard about pirate radio stations?

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    2. Re:It's not just the installation by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 1

      There's a reason they're called pirate radio stations- it's less stealing and more hijacking.

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    3. Re:It's not just the installation by Atario · · Score: 1

      Community satellite feed, then?

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    4. Re:It's not just the installation by SleepyHappyDoc · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can't steal the ether.

      Tell that to the junkie who broke into my dentist's office.

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    5. Re:It's not just the installation by cheater512 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Use Fiber instead of copper? Its a bit harder to sell a few hundred meters of fiber you stole.

    6. Re:It's not just the installation by emj · · Score: 3, Funny

      Comunity launched satellite.. ;-) Every one helps in throwing it up to orbit..

    7. Re:It's not just the installation by salec · · Score: 1

      Stratospheric balloons instead of satellites. Or solar powered autonomous UAVs...(although in some countries they would be shot at).

  3. Better than sandal net by jhfry · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ok, I'll admit that was wrong. But seriously, this is not going to do anything but increase the demand for an actual internet connection. I promise, this guy delivering small doses of the internet by bus for a few rupees here and there is only creating a new market where almost none existed.

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    1. Re:Better than sandal net by f1055man · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm missing your point, but I don't see that as a bad thing. A big part of development is figuring out what you want and need.

      The article makes this far more complicated than it needs to be. Basically its a mobile digital library and post office. WiFi and Internet isn't kind of beside the point.

    2. Re:Better than sandal net by jhfry · · Score: 1
      not suggesting that it's a bad thing... it was the original poster's position that such a system

      ... is certainly an innovative solution to some of the problems encountered in tackling the digital divide, but what longterm effects might this model have on the development of a communications infrastructure? His choice of words suggested that he is afraid that such a system will have a negative effect... or I just read it wrong.
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  4. Unwanted Technology by pytheron · · Score: 1

    The local populace do not want this.. things were ok the way they were.. "Woman ! I'm just going to the local internet cafe.. see you in a few hours." Down the road, a few stops at the local shebeens, and the man comes home with a glint in his eye. It's been like this the world over since time began.

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  5. Bandwidth by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do not underestimate the bandwidth of a bus capable of carrying the entire internet.

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    1. Re:Bandwidth by raehl · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, but it takes FOREVER to drive the packets to the capitol and back. Especially during the rainy season.

    2. Re:Bandwidth by abshnasko · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...or a dump truck

    3. Re:Bandwidth by dlmarti · · Score: 1

      This is the ultimate form of sneaker-net.

    4. Re:Bandwidth by Skraeling2 · · Score: 1

      All those tubes fit on it? Where do the people go?

  6. Sports scores? by L.+VeGas · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This sounds great for checking news updates, sports scores, and visiting your regular websites. You know, I bet I can think up one or two slightly more helpful uses for internet connectivity in the 3rd world besides checking sports scores.
    1. Re:Sports scores? by jackharrer · · Score: 1

      Yes, every day fresh spam delivery. Cooool!

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    2. Re:Sports scores? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 4, Insightful

      2 words, Customer demand.
      They provide a service customers want.

      Newspapers give a wide selection of articles because people are interested in different things, this service is just the same.
      It says most users cannot read English, so the driver shows them and translates for them.

      No wasted paper and a nice scalable infrastructure.
      I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of service doesn't take off, there could be franchises all around.
      Wouldn't be long term, but it would make money.

      Congrats to the guy who put it together.

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    3. Re:Sports scores? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Useful maybe, but wanted?

      The entrepanuer responsible said they monitor demand and offer to custom grab stuff (for next bus delivery) for a few rupees.

      He said what people want is clips of recent bollywood stuff, pictures of stars, wether, and cricket results.

      Really it's a lot like the internet anywhere.

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    4. Re:Sports scores? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure you'll be first in line to lobby the government to force those poor ignorant 3rd-worlders to get the information you think they should have rather than what the stupid wretches think they want. Keep on hefting that white man's burden, why dontcha.

    5. Re:Sports scores? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      poor ignorant 3rd-worlders

      Kind of redundant, aren't you?

    6. Re:Sports scores? by norton_I · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In any given community, only a few percentage of the people will come up with the clever way to change their environment for the better. Those people will use the internet bus to learn agricultural techniques to increase crop yields, the medical information they need to help their family and fellow villagers, and whatever else they need while the other 95% of the people will get their cricket scores. Indirectly, the sports fans will make the internet available to those who are using it to do the "useful" things you talk about. Of course, if the village pooled the money they were going to spend on sports scores they could send the braniac kid to the city to use the internet (or a library) and bring back all kinds of knowledge, but this way they also get the cricket scores. Everybody wins.

    7. Re:Sports scores? by vertinox · · Score: 1

      You know, I bet I can think up one or two slightly more helpful uses for internet connectivity in the 3rd world besides checking sports scores.

      Huh? In most 3rd world countries, local sports are far more popular than even American televised games. Seeing that local teams travel (abroad sometimes) it will be hard for locals to find out how their team is doing seeing even if they had access to radio or TV that it maybe hard to get coverage of their teams.

      Keep in mind people are not starving to death on a daily basis in India, Honduras, or in Nigeria. They just don't have all the material wealth that we have in the states and they like to have past times too.

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  7. UUCP will never die by mrkitty · · Score: 1

    As we've proven in this article....

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  8. Everything old is new again by the_tsi · · Score: 1

    Remember back when we all wanted to cut down on phone charges while reading and responding to BBS email and the QWK format was developed, and it was the new hotness? I didn't think so.

    I'd imagine recycling that kind of app would be pretty useful in situations like this -- an app that runs on a constantly-connected server and every 3/5/10/30 minutes checks for updates to your pre-specified webpages, blogs, newsgroups, email, etc., bundles them all into a zip, and lets you download them in a burst when you get your moment of connectivity; it also processes your uploaded data package which includes such things as configuration changes, outbound emails, blog entries, forum posts, slashdot troll comments, whatever.

    Someone invent this. I'd pay for it.

    1. Re:Everything old is new again by HostAdmin · · Score: 1

      Remember back when we all wanted to cut down on phone charges while reading and responding to BBS email and the QWK format was developed, and it was the new hotness? I didn't think so.


      Just because you're number 19767 doesn't mean you're the only old fart here. Of course I remember. SLMR was my mail reader of choice. Some of the old stuff would be great here. Now if we can get them all their own OLPC laptop, they'll be all set.

    2. Re:Everything old is new again by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      I think it is called rsync.

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    3. Re:Everything old is new again by the_tsi · · Score: 1

      Sorry, the "I didn't think so" wasn't an attempt to claim 'cred', it was an attempt to be slightly (and humorously) disparaging to the niche market served by QWK readers.

    4. Re:Everything old is new again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rsync's a nice data transport method -- but it isn't application-aware. It also wouldn't really apply to this situation, where most (all?) of the information you're downloading is new content. What the OP was talking about is a standard way of providing an easily-downloadable "package" of various types of information.

      A lot of the technology needed already exists. There's quite a few programs which can recursively download a web page and all content required to render it properly and transform the links so the page will work properly from the local filesystem. Emails could be downloaded in Maildir format, and so on.

      There's quite a few parts of the world where bandwidth is plentiful at certain locations, but in between is unavailable or expensive. At home and at work I have reasonably high-speed internet, but between those two my only real option is GPRS through my phone, which is both slow and very expensive. Even in the mighty US, I've seen many people comment that wireless connectivity isn't available and won't be for a long time in places like the NY subway system.

      For these sorts of use cases, being able to download a whole bunch of content -- e.g. all the current /. stories + commnts, news sites, Google search results for topics I'm often interested in as well as the top ten or so results -- at a high capacity location, and have it synced to a mobile device whenever it's in an area with good connectivity would be really cool. It would also be very wasteful: on most days I probably wouldn't read 90% of it, but the nice thing about electronic information is that it costs practically nothing to duplicate.

  9. First Post by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1, Funny

    First Post!

    Posted by: Mr Indian Villager.

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    1. Re:First Post by networkBoy · · Score: 2, Funny

      you seem to have a bit of ping delay there...
      -nB

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    2. Re:First Post by Looce · · Score: 1

      That was his moment of connectivity for today.

      See you tomorrow on another Slashdot article, LiquidCooled!

  10. Something similar by jeevesbond · · Score: 1

    This is just like a mobile library, so isn't a new idea, but kudos to the person who made the link between the two.

    The only difference is (if you look at that link) North Yorkshire has pimped out, purple buses. Whilst the wi-fi buses are a little more 'make do and mend'.

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    1. Re:Something similar by Nailor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They got a bus called "Netti Nysse" at Tampere region Finland. The bus drives in two shifts during a day and is equipped with a bunch of computers, data projector (+other AV equipment) and 5 person willing to teach/help you for free, if you live at Tampere region. I think it has 8 stops where it connects to internet through wlan. Probably useful for kids and old folks.

  11. Dude, think *space* by joshamania · · Score: 1

    What if you live on Saturn? Drive-by might be your only option.

    This might be a great way to test a real world system where one can only get updates from the overmind once a day or so. i.e. if you lived on Jupiter...or further. Say that big hexagon on Saturn is really an eons old structure built by non-humans...everybody and their grandmother is going to want to go up there and check it out. They're still going to want their email...

    1. Re:Dude, think *space* by dh5fbr · · Score: 1

      Well, I should say that thing has been tested already, even tested in space already.

      Back in 199x there were (and probably still are) amateur radio satelites circling the globe. While seeing it you would upload your mails, and the friendly ham in Australia would download them and distribute them down under. This way we could have long distance communication while the internet was still a bit expensive.

      Let us just assume that there is much more neat technology already existing, we just have to find ways using it ;)

  12. I have believed for a long time by geekoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    that all vehicals should have a router and used in a flowing mesh type of network.

    Use it as an addition to current infrastructure you could have a signal along any busy road in the world.

    Mesh the world, if you put a sign up, put a solar power repeater there.

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  13. Finally we have proof by LordSnooty · · Score: 1

    So in the third world, the internet is a big truck taking sports scores out to the villages. You see, Mr Stevens, you were wrong about those tubes.

  14. Old school still lives on in the wild by BigJim.fr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Doesn't this remind you about the early networks ? Think about the protocols that were designed for this sort of asynchronous all-terrain exchanges. This bus could be :
    - Fidonet node
    - NNTP server
    - SMTP server
    - POP server
    - Mirror of many things

    Protocols such as Fido and NNTP have been in use in an age of 300 to 9600 bps connexions and tape spool exchanged between sites. They would be right at home in this sort of bus !

  15. That's not stealing by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1

    It's more like vandalism. They don't take the ether away, they just foul it up.

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  16. Magic Internet Bus by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 3, Funny


          Every day I get in the queue
            (Too much, Magic Bus)
          To get on the bus that takes me to you
            (Too much, Magic Bus)
          I'm so nervous, I just type and smile
            (Too much, Magic Bus)
          Your server is only another mile
            (Too much, Magic Bus)
          Thank you, driver, for getting my packets here
            (Too much, Magic Bus)
          You'll be a forwarder, have no fear
            (Too much, Magic Bus)
          I don't want to cause no fuss
            (Too much, Magic Bus)
          But can I buy your Magic Bus?
            (Too much, Magic Bus)

          Nooooooooo!

          I don't care how much I pay
            (Too much, Magic Bus)
          I wanna drive my bus to the internet each day
            (Too much, Magic Bus)
          I want it, I want it, I want it, I want it ...
            (You can't have it!)

          Throughput and bandwidth every day
          Just to drive to my ebay
          Throughput and bandwidth each day
          'Cause I drive my packets every way

          Magic Bus, Magic Bus, Magic Bus ...

          I said, now I've got my Magic Bus
            (Too much, Magic Bus)
          I said, now I've got my Magic Bus
            (Too much, Magic Bus)
          I drive my packets every way
            (Too much, Magic Bus)
          Each time I go a different way
            (Too much, Magic Bus)

          I want it, i want it, I want it, I want it ...

          Every day you'll see the dust
            (Too much, Magic Bus)
          As I drive my packets in my Magic Bus
            (Too much, Magic Bus)

  17. i like it but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    whats the latency on this kinda thing

    reminds me of

    http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html

  18. Big tall antenna by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    And a wireless mesh.

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  19. Digital Pony Express. by ClioCJS · · Score: 1
    An analog pony express in the past; a digital pony express in the present/future.

    Really. Seriously. NOBODY ELSE IS USING THAT METAPHOR?.

    Did I just have an original thought? I thought they were all taken.

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  20. the eTUKTUK by grubdog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is a similar initiative in Sri Lanka but uses a three-wheeled motorbike, or 'tuktuk', one of the favoured forms of transport in that part of the world. A mobile phone is used for on-demand internet connectivity. Loudspeakers and a projector allow for a whole village to access the one computer and it also features an FM transmitter and radio 'studio' for mobile production and broadcasting of community radio. www.etuktuk.org

    1. Re:the eTUKTUK by grubdog · · Score: 1

      that link should be www.etuktuk.net

  21. deathmatch quake by wall0159 · · Score: 1

    I can hear grandpaw telling his kids in 2050:

    "In my day, we had 3 day ping times, and we liked it!"

  22. Hard-To-Reach Places by psaunders · · Score: 1

    Like that tiny area in the middle of your back, right between your shoulder blades.

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  23. At the rates those trucks charge.... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

    ....it would be cheaper just to fly first class to Redmond waving plastic than to download that Vista torrent.

  24. Even my grand parents are online ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really dont know how is this going to help village people ?

    There is hardly any place in India that is not covered by GSM or CDMA2000 network.

    Want to send receive emails ? Just go to your local mobile shop and get yourself a cheap Rs 900( almost $19 ) CDMA mobile, and you can send receive text emails.

    Even for connecting your PC to the internet, USB CDMA modem is a much better option IMO.

    My grand parents live in a remote village. There's no road, no post office, no telephone exchange, no cable operator. But they can still enjoy watching 100 channels on there DTH, and surf the internet using there USB CDMA2000 modem :)

    If _they_ can be online, i think anyone can be online in India..:)

  25. A bus full of tubes? by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    But what will they do when the tubes get full?

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  26. better to fill the bus with food by BatMacumba · · Score: 1

    and medicine. I would guess that putting food on the table and keeping healthy are the things people in developing nations need. Its like the 'internet gap'; some of the people in the U.S. who don't have access to the internet need more important things like food and shelter. Maybee some affordable health care? Just a thought.

    1. Re:better to fill the bus with food by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they're starving because they get food and medicine, but no hope beyond the next handout. What they need is education. That's the only positive empowerment that they can get. Have you been there? Fuck no, you haven't. If you had, you'd realize that feel good "feed the poor" bullshit is just that. When you can't read, can't count, and can't work, food only prolongs the misery. They need an education to have a chance at a decent life.

    2. Re:better to fill the bus with food by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is India. It's only a couple of decades away from being almost exactly like Western Europe and the US today. The economy is teching up - it won't be "third world" for much longer, The people there are not dirt poor. They have food and shelter already. Barring disasters, there is no need for patronising foreign aid.

      And permanent Internet connections are coming soon to these villages - it is inevitable. People will spend their money on whatever they want, and since they already have food and shelter, that will be entertainment and education.

  27. Slow Ping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And to think people complain about dial-up! When was the last time your packets had to stop to allow a sacred cow to cross the road?!

  28. infrastructure costs... by fantomas · · Score: 1

    "Community satellite feed, then?"

    Infrastructure costs might be a problem - cost of a satellite dish for each location, associated hardware, plus need for power means either renewables power generation unit like solar power for batteries or a diesel generator. Very costly if you want to supply a thousand or so villages. A friend of mine worked in rural Cambodia and we got to use the laptops and have electric lights for a couple of hours in the evening when they fired up the generator in the yard.

  29. Cool to see this taking off by hcdejong · · Score: 1

    I first read about this idea several years ago, but haven't been able to find out what happened after those first experiments with a motorbike. Attaching the system to a bus is a stroke of genius.

  30. Stevens was wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The internet here apparently is a big truck that you dump stuff on, and not a series of tubes.

  31. nntp by Khelder · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This reminds me of a model for information distribution that was really popular at one time: nntp.

    Anybody else miss the days before Cantor and Siegel?

  32. OLPC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'nuff said.

  33. Wireless Internet Giving Stratellites by RalphTheWonderLlama · · Score: 1

    http://www.globetel.net/

    This company and several others are working to make wireless internet access for wide areas available and it's particularly suited to developing countries where they don't have a wired infrastructure already like the US does.

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  34. the internet is a series of tubes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and a series of trucks too

    ITS NOT A DUMB TRUCK...

    (but it CAN be a bus)

    lol

  35. Pringles by GWBasic · · Score: 1

    Quick! Donate your old Pringles cans and 802.11b cards!

  36. Scansion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "To get on the bus that takes me to you" 10 syllables
    "I wanna drive my bus to the internet each day" 14 syllables.

    Lame.