I once read a book about Fuzzy Logic, which actually said that ordinary logic was too strict, making a decision could disadvance someone for the benefits of the choice not chosen.
So what's my point here... You reason by -rules-are-rules-. In my point of view rules are a method for servicing certain goal. Reasoning rules-are-rules, actually makes these rules a goal.
First of all, most countries do not have legal rules for these region based encryption. So there are no rules. So there is no rules-are-rules reasoning.
Countries exist, where getting something for free is legal. There are also countries who illegalize the piracy of copyrighted work, but do not act to maintain the law, or only follow the guys who mass-pirate copyrighted work (i.e. mafia).
Point is, that there *rules* are:
1. Temporary
2. Differ geographically
So point is, that many countries do not have the same interest as the USA. The USA's interest for DVD's is to take away people's freedom, in non-Anglo Saxon Euro-countries, freedom is a cherished privilege.
In other words, your statement 'play by the rules' and 'just accept the rules' don't make a sensible point. Every different culture has different values - there are no rules.
I downloaded this weeks ago, I still got some problems getting it working. But I'm still hoping. I think this is a great alternative for VMWare anyway. Guess it's very good that slashdot now gives some attention to plex.
Although I have a hunch that this project is still immature, this could open a new era in scalability.
Suppose system calls get standardized, like 'onclick' in HTML is standardized, it does mean that an Apple can communicate with a PC without much trouble.
CORBA at kernel/low level means new infrastructure, applications could come, and Linux becomes more scalable than it already is!
Suppose these guys morph Windows into a propriety application instead of an OS. Suppose only partners of MS can access this minimal prerequisite (i.e. via certification of runnable software). Suppose the PC is turned into a production tool and Microsoft stops selling an operating system, but a fully interdependent and integrated solution?
If Windows and Office become modules within one application / system, Microsoft can't be divided, and they don't have to give up their API's.
Sorry, you're wrong. That is what you like to believe. Numbers tell us that the Netherlands are the most productive country in the world. 40 hours a week is long nowadays as they've introduced the 36 and 34 hour workweek. The impact of this policy has made Holland the country with the smallest unemployment figure. This short workweek has no negative effects on the National Gross Total, using this number, we see that Holland is the most productive country in the world, because we work less, and we produce more - we're efficient. The US is head of the world in a Nominal way, not in ratio's. Seems like you guys still don't know how to keep precious employees yet, and those guys leaving is not good for the company. Heck, we can repay our debts soon, we will be US-independant!
There is actually no air at all on nano scale. And if there is, then the laws of ballistics don't work that well anymore, the propellor creating a vortex cannot push itself forward due to air pressure and vacuum differences.
I a complete nano-don't-know, but how come the propellor works?
for Open Source developers, who develop under Windows. If it's really going that way that no uncertified software is runnable, than the Open Source community on Windows is dead (and it didn't even flourish yet). How's this with freeware and shareware? Does this mean a mandatory payment for software due to certification fees?
As I understand this scheme, a mandatory configuration for using Office will be an internet connection. Not everybody in Europe, and certainly in second and third world countries have an internet connection.
In my country, broadband internet is still quite expensive,.NET comes too early.
I've been programming a project in the past 2.5 years, the product I make, I think it could change some specializations within the IT industry. I don't want to brag; the product is now yet unfinished and everything could still go the wrong way.
I can spend 30 hours a week spare time, on top of the 45 hour workweek I have. If this project is ever a success, I would like some return of my time investments.
At this moment, I still have a choice of doing this propriaty or Open Source, yet, I still have to decide this.
When there are no copyright laws, it means my efforts are worthless, it means a different world, it means an accedemic world - everybody has the right to peek into my code, whether I want this or not. An accedemic world could mean that a new idea has to survive a generation of the elite establishment, it gets debunked on cosmetical grounds (can't search on this, button that does not work, made a grammar mistake there...) instead of being appreciated by the people who are actually going to work with the product.
With copyright laws, it is still interesting for me to develop the product. I still have a choice between propriaty and Open Source, and yes, to be honest, I'm also doing the product to gain financial benefit from.
The way all the copyright stories came into the news is not because the copyright phenomina is a bad thing, it is used as a tool to get total control. Everybody knows that it is all cheap investment and high profits what the record and movie industry are doing - you don't have to be a musician anymore to become a popstar. This all makes me sick.
In my opinion, copyright laws are okay, but they should illegalise copyright abuse!
Getting back at the story, putting up a Napster server in an 'A' country, and getting an incredible user-base, would invoke a high political lobby activity in that country by the people who care. The RIAA would sell their soul to get that darn thing shut.
I think you're right. No matter what, RIAA will never recognize a watermark scheme to be broken. It's not a technical issue here, it's marketing, politics and FUD.
It's a bit like: suppose we'd chop off Hillery Rosen's arm, she'd still claim she has two arms.
The contest was boycotted, could it be that the real hack wasn't exposed to the RIAA?
And those golden ears, aren't these people paid to reject any hack posted? They even think that the watermarked songs were bad quality, so how would they determine songquality?
There is this site called www.Napster.nl which is much like Scour. Now an organization called BUMA is trying to forbid deep-links, a phenomina which has been to court for newspapers. The newspapers lost and deep-linking seems to be legal, Napster.nl will hopefully win the case conform the previous case.
Napster says that they have all right to deep link to MP3, BUMA says that there is enough international jurisprudence to get the site shut.
A national dutch Media (not commercial) union called VPRO put their radio shows onto the internet after broadcast. Sony got a bit pissed and said that music fans should not be able to hear their favourite music for free, they should sit next to the radio and wait patiently until their favourite song would be played. The VPRO took all Sony content offline. Nowadays other record companies are getting pissed as well, we still don't know what the VPRO is going to do.
A little offtopic (not mp3) but interesting: The union of consumers, biggest organization for protecting consumers rights, published an article this month on the quality of DVD players. They also wrote about the region code. According to the article, it is not illegal to modify the player into a region free player, they even published adresses and prices for player modification.
Problem with MS is that they're Microsoft certified, they probably missed an click-on-OK-button.<P> I believe E-mail clients for Linux were once made insecure when this guy called Pitr wrote a VB plugin. Fortunately, we have overview in bad things: The worlds largest shitholes can be counted on two hands...
is that a dutch European commisioner wants reconsideration of these Euro patent policies, because it would undermine the Open Source community.
Open Source gets increasing support within the Euro-government's organizations, patents would debunk this.
Unfortunately these articles were never translated to English.
Can you imagine? Linux, non-American-ware, being undermined by stupid laws? Would it be possible to patent stuff, making Apache obsolete (hay, those patent laws don't have to be identical to US patent laws... even in Europe, we can do some stupid things)
is simply by not buying their stuff.
quote:The group is taking the risk that SDMI authorities could try to prevent it from publishing its work -- participants in the contest were supposed to be sworn to secrecy -- but Carver believes that by forgoing the prize they may not be required to sign any nondisclosure agreements.
then put the documentation on an insecure FTP server...
Why would we want to remove the watermark anyway, is a SDMI compliant Media player, which doesn't reject the song sufficient enough? or will they encrypt the music?
Let's define success: Success is the milestone where the protection of the SDMI format is removed, keeping up sound quality, and making the sound free for distribution (i.e. encode it into an MP3 format, or play it without the necessity pf the watermark).
Okay, let's write a device driver which does not play sound, but stores the played bits into a file, voila, SDMI cracked!
If voting could change anything, it would be illegal
I'm in the courtesy of using this statement very often. Politics in Europe aren't much better than in the states, even though we didn't sell the Bank of Europe to some corporate.
In my humble opinion, there's only one thing which could change a lot, and that's education, not only general education, self education as well. I'm a concious cable-TV-not-customer. Any information penetrating my home is deliberatly chosen. Any information educating I should wear Nikes, drink Coca, like Bush or Gore, like Britney Spears, should follow some soap show, should appreciate Jerry Springer, or anything which makes me depend on an unknown third-party greedbag - any information like this does not enter my home. Self education can be self-censorship.
All manufactured information is considered before it enters my home (I do watch video, but I get to choose the movie).
I tell my friends that this attitude liberates me from all kinds of different I-Want emotions.
When the amount of I-Don't-Want-screamers grows drastically, change will be inevidable. Why? Because artificial people like President candidates may have charismatics, but it won't have any impact: I don't care what you have to say mr candidate president, even though you've got blue eyes.
If you want to change anything, you should use the internet (or should I say 'Peer-to-Peer networking? - even better), don't vote, don't watch TV, choose your own entertainment, choose your own information.
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So what's my point here... You reason by -rules-are-rules-. In my point of view rules are a method for servicing certain goal. Reasoning rules-are-rules, actually makes these rules a goal.
First of all, most countries do not have legal rules for these region based encryption. So there are no rules. So there is no rules-are-rules reasoning.
Countries exist, where getting something for free is legal. There are also countries who illegalize the piracy of copyrighted work, but do not act to maintain the law, or only follow the guys who mass-pirate copyrighted work (i.e. mafia).
Point is, that there *rules* are:
1. Temporary
2. Differ geographically
So point is, that many countries do not have the same interest as the USA. The USA's interest for DVD's is to take away people's freedom, in non-Anglo Saxon Euro-countries, freedom is a cherished privilege.
In other words, your statement 'play by the rules' and 'just accept the rules' don't make a sensible point. Every different culture has different values - there are no rules.
The only rule which stands is: When Disney makes money, it's legal, when they don't it's illegal.
We will never have region 1 laws. So instead of selling dope to the French we can now start selling region 1 DVD's... ;)
I downloaded this weeks ago, I still got some problems getting it working. But I'm still hoping. I think this is a great alternative for VMWare anyway. Guess it's very good that slashdot now gives some attention to plex.
Suppose system calls get standardized, like 'onclick' in HTML is standardized, it does mean that an Apple can communicate with a PC without much trouble.
CORBA at kernel/low level means new infrastructure, applications could come, and Linux becomes more scalable than it already is!
No, I don't think these people are crazy.
and it's called after me?
;-)
I'm denying, I've slept for six years...
the "new Rolls Royce for me fund" ;-)
If Windows and Office become modules within one application / system, Microsoft can't be divided, and they don't have to give up their API's.
They're not number one.
Sorry, you're wrong. That is what you like to believe. Numbers tell us that the Netherlands are the most productive country in the world. 40 hours a week is long nowadays as they've introduced the 36 and 34 hour workweek. The impact of this policy has made Holland the country with the smallest unemployment figure. This short workweek has no negative effects on the National Gross Total, using this number, we see that Holland is the most productive country in the world, because we work less, and we produce more - we're efficient. The US is head of the world in a Nominal way, not in ratio's. Seems like you guys still don't know how to keep precious employees yet, and those guys leaving is not good for the company. Heck, we can repay our debts soon, we will be US-independant!
I a complete nano-don't-know, but how come the propellor works?
for Open Source developers, who develop under Windows. If it's really going that way that no uncertified software is runnable, than the Open Source community on Windows is dead (and it didn't even flourish yet). How's this with freeware and shareware? Does this mean a mandatory payment for software due to certification fees?
In my country, broadband internet is still quite expensive, .NET comes too early.
I can spend 30 hours a week spare time, on top of the 45 hour workweek I have. If this project is ever a success, I would like some return of my time investments.
At this moment, I still have a choice of doing this propriaty or Open Source, yet, I still have to decide this.
When there are no copyright laws, it means my efforts are worthless, it means a different world, it means an accedemic world - everybody has the right to peek into my code, whether I want this or not. An accedemic world could mean that a new idea has to survive a generation of the elite establishment, it gets debunked on cosmetical grounds (can't search on this, button that does not work, made a grammar mistake there...) instead of being appreciated by the people who are actually going to work with the product.
With copyright laws, it is still interesting for me to develop the product. I still have a choice between propriaty and Open Source, and yes, to be honest, I'm also doing the product to gain financial benefit from.
The way all the copyright stories came into the news is not because the copyright phenomina is a bad thing, it is used as a tool to get total control. Everybody knows that it is all cheap investment and high profits what the record and movie industry are doing - you don't have to be a musician anymore to become a popstar. This all makes me sick.
In my opinion, copyright laws are okay, but they should illegalise copyright abuse!
Getting back at the story, putting up a Napster server in an 'A' country, and getting an incredible user-base, would invoke a high political lobby activity in that country by the people who care. The RIAA would sell their soul to get that darn thing shut.
It's a bit like: suppose we'd chop off Hillery Rosen's arm, she'd still claim she has two arms.
The contest was boycotted, could it be that the real hack wasn't exposed to the RIAA?
And those golden ears, aren't these people paid to reject any hack posted? They even think that the watermarked songs were bad quality, so how would they determine songquality?
So if I understand correctly, the semen stains in the Oval office's carpet will now replaced with beer stains?
Napster says that they have all right to deep link to MP3, BUMA says that there is enough international jurisprudence to get the site shut.
A national dutch Media (not commercial) union called VPRO put their radio shows onto the internet after broadcast. Sony got a bit pissed and said that music fans should not be able to hear their favourite music for free, they should sit next to the radio and wait patiently until their favourite song would be played. The VPRO took all Sony content offline. Nowadays other record companies are getting pissed as well, we still don't know what the VPRO is going to do.
A little offtopic (not mp3) but interesting: The union of consumers, biggest organization for protecting consumers rights, published an article this month on the quality of DVD players. They also wrote about the region code. According to the article, it is not illegal to modify the player into a region free player, they even published adresses and prices for player modification.
I just love this counry (Holland).
Ah, just a bit offtopic here, but don't blame me for the lay-out of the post above, I think I found a little bug in Opera...(which rocks BTW)
Problem with MS is that they're Microsoft certified, they probably missed an click-on-OK-button.<P>
I believe E-mail clients for Linux were once made insecure when this guy called Pitr wrote a VB plugin. Fortunately, we have overview in bad things: The worlds largest shitholes can be counted on two hands...
after he's had 20 beers. Not a US citizen, think all president candidates are artificial people anyway.
Because the Russians seem surf the stability wave?
Open Source gets increasing support within the Euro-government's organizations, patents would debunk this.
Unfortunately these articles were never translated to English.
Can you imagine? Linux, non-American-ware, being undermined by stupid laws? Would it be possible to patent stuff, making Apache obsolete (hay, those patent laws don't have to be identical to US patent laws... even in Europe, we can do some stupid things)
Thanks mate, upgrading my threshold now :(
quote:The group is taking the risk that SDMI authorities could try to prevent it from publishing its work -- participants in the contest were supposed to be sworn to secrecy -- but Carver believes that by forgoing the prize they may not be required to sign any nondisclosure agreements.
then put the documentation on an insecure FTP server...
Why would we want to remove the watermark anyway, is a SDMI compliant Media player, which doesn't reject the song sufficient enough? or will they encrypt the music?
Let's define success: Success is the milestone where the protection of the SDMI format is removed, keeping up sound quality, and making the sound free for distribution (i.e. encode it into an MP3 format, or play it without the necessity pf the watermark).
Okay, let's write a device driver which does not play sound, but stores the played bits into a file, voila, SDMI cracked!
If voting could change anything, it would be illegal
I'm in the courtesy of using this statement very often. Politics in Europe aren't much better than in the states, even though we didn't sell the Bank of Europe to some corporate.
In my humble opinion, there's only one thing which could change a lot, and that's education, not only general education, self education as well. I'm a concious cable-TV-not-customer. Any information penetrating my home is deliberatly chosen. Any information educating I should wear Nikes, drink Coca, like Bush or Gore, like Britney Spears, should follow some soap show, should appreciate Jerry Springer, or anything which makes me depend on an unknown third-party greedbag - any information like this does not enter my home. Self education can be self-censorship.
All manufactured information is considered before it enters my home (I do watch video, but I get to choose the movie).
I tell my friends that this attitude liberates me from all kinds of different I-Want emotions.
When the amount of I-Don't-Want-screamers grows drastically, change will be inevidable. Why? Because artificial people like President candidates may have charismatics, but it won't have any impact: I don't care what you have to say mr candidate president, even though you've got blue eyes.
If you want to change anything, you should use the internet (or should I say 'Peer-to-Peer networking? - even better), don't vote, don't watch TV, choose your own entertainment, choose your own information.