Do some people undestand reality? Don't Altivore do the same things as Carnivore? Why must they use Carnivore instead?
If sueing on patent infringement becomes successful (for Germany that is), then the Anglo-saxons will use Echelon to fight kiddy porn, and as you know, that's a holy war in which any method is authorized...
You remember that slashdot article - a letter from 2020 -? Perhaps that article on NTFS-legislation is more fresh in the memory.
Hacking is defined as 'unauthorised data-access', what about reverse engeneering, what about writing a compatible protocol. Will 'patent infringement' be hacking? What about Sony Playstation emulators?
This is too bad. Supposedly, (just hypothatically) I find the magical holy grail of factoring primes... is that hacking? Can I publish this?
This is too bad, I thought I'd be safe from US laws here in Europe, reading slashdot I realize that all sorts of laws and lawsuits will deteriate my freedom. So this will change then?
What's next, regulations on internet protocols? Man is allowed to browse and mail, kill IRC, kill Napster, kill Gnutella?
This smells like a tool for technological censorship... will I need a license-to-programm in future?
But you know, if this is adopted, these guys will make more than $16M per year, so I'd publish it after the adoption of the technology, and the whole industry taking part in the deal, such that we get another DVD-case.
Maybe the association DVD Linux is put wrongly by the MPAA and co. Such as there are people whom claim that 'mp3' is illegal, it could be possible the anchor for DVD Linux is in the wrong place. (i.e. DVD on Linux is illegal)
Guys were harrassed, guys got scared and project was sent to the bin.
But there are legal DVD players for Linux now...
Maybe the process of getting threatened happened in an early stage, if it did, it never stopped.
This is not near-impossible, I thought of this too. There are few details thought:
1. Create an account on the free ISP's, do this on an internet pillar in a bar, amusement hall or whatever
2. You buy a pre-paid cell phone, with cash, in a city or area you usually don't get near.
3. You do not dial up in a public area, as someone might see your face, you drive to somewhere in the middle of nowhere to do your thing. Note that you check for camera's on highways, the point of return on the highway needs to be 30 minutes later than you logged off
4. Throw the cell phone away, or send it to your local police station by mail
The author claims that we should deal with copyright infringement and the obscene profits separately.
How do you fight obscene profits, and the financial disadvantage of artists? We don't have a stick behind the door, we're not in a position of negotiation! Napster and clones give us that position of negotiation... Napster and clones are the stick behind the door.
I've read the story on linuxworld about a week ago, in my opinion, there are too many assumptions. 'The law is the law, deal with it', where as a matter of fact, the author does not recognize the possibility of laws changing.
well, UMTS devices are actually different than cell-phones. It is quite a change of format, but then, you get more features like images?
They shouldn't look at cell-phone sales rates, as I get a cell phone for buying a pakket of cigarettes, they should look at mobile communication usage.
I can't imagine that linking becomes forbidden here in Holland, no way!!! Why sending that E-mail to the whole world? Do they really believe that US law is universal?
I think Sony's PR machine is passed by. Certain people reading this might think, well, let's destroy Sony's revenue by not buying their products.
Same as here in Holland, a dutch media station put their radio shows in real-audio on the web. Sony didn't want that because the fan could listen to their favourite artist as many times as they wanted. No, the real fan is patient, and waits until his song appears on the radio.
This dutch (public) media station took action by boycotting anything coming from Sony (like Oasis). It happens that this story is not even a month old.
Seems like the Sony PR machine is passed again, and no concessions with the public is sought.
First I thought it was a joke, but campchaos is doing a series on Napster parodies. There is this movie called 'sue all the world'. Y'know, if I'm reading this Gnutella case, I still wonder whether 'sue all the world' actually is a joke.
Sure, I've downloaded something called 'ClanLib' or libMesa3D and I mean sources. Compiled them libs, installed them, and the rpm which required those libs still couldn't recognize their presence. I know I have to add some stuff to the rpm database, but I've been too lazy to figure that out, many (smaller) OS-projects aren't worth the effort.
why go Cuba if you can do Europe? Where I live it's all socialism, and I'm pleased because nobody starves from hunger here.
You know, if nothing changes, you're culture will die, it happened to a couple of the ancient cultures you know, but I guess you're only interested in keeping your money safe, beating the wife up when you're drunk, and maybe shoot some 'niggers for hunting right?
you're a liar. You've never lived in Europe, in my country, the amount of vacant jobs grows with a factor 4 faster than the employable population.
Taking car of the unemployed is socialistic, yes, nobody dies of starvation, and some are unemployed because their lazy ofcourse, but the rules are very strict, not as strict as in the US. You know, people in Camden are dying from starvation, drugs, crime etc. They won't be saved by any conservative with compassion program. I'm not saying 'US is bad', I'm saying, that it can be the other way round. But I guess you're just another troll.
I'm getting confused here, I'm reading multiple stories, and cnet tells us that RIAA can come with counter arguments before 18th August, while CNN (or ZDnet I can't remember) mentions 8th August!! This story is too big to take some time to sit down and write propperly.
What the.. heard this via a GNUtella monitor first
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Yeah, heard the news via a GNUtella monitor first. By the way, noticed yesterday's download rates at sourceforge? Within the top 10, at least three Napster alternatives.
Here in Holland, a DJ from the National Radio (and that's big btw) is supporting Napster, and has posted alternatives on his web-site.
Napster support is coming through the most ackward channels.
Slashdot supports Napster because the readers do. Secondly, Napster is supported in this case for couple of reasons:
1. Napster is David against corporate Goliath 2. Linux is David against corporate Goliath, and Slashdot supports Linux (thus Napster) 3. Napster is internet-changing-the-world thing
Legality is not an issue, laws are simply unsuitable to a lot of readers here. Legality is not an argument, the law has to change. Legality is ignored in this discussion. Legality is the curse other than the cure in the Napster case. Opposing Napster isn't necesary ethical, multi-billion dollar corporates sucking more consumer money isn't either.
Refuse a product, right, enough undereducated/uniterested people who just go to the shops and buy a CD/DVD. I'm quite pessimistic on this. Power monopolies/oligopolies exist by 'channels' and 'networks' inherited or build on personal contact, usually in distribution of the product or manufacturer of the product. These channels get power and decide what people like, like it or not, the alternatives can be hard to find. The internet breaks down the barriers of distribution, channels and networks get hurt. Now it's the RIAA and MPAA thing, next there is the physical distribution of products, these channels and networks are now attacked by broker-websites. Where I'm from, it doesn't exist that long, but lot's of people are very pissed already.
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If sueing on patent infringement becomes successful (for Germany that is), then the Anglo-saxons will use Echelon to fight kiddy porn, and as you know, that's a holy war in which any method is authorized...
I'm sceptical
And again, Napster is about free speech and free stuff, so the user base won't shift as long as there is a free-stuff-alternative.
Hacking is defined as 'unauthorised data-access', what about reverse engeneering, what about writing a compatible protocol. Will 'patent infringement' be hacking? What about Sony Playstation emulators?
This is too bad. Supposedly, (just hypothatically) I find the magical holy grail of factoring primes... is that hacking? Can I publish this?
This is too bad, I thought I'd be safe from US laws here in Europe, reading slashdot I realize that all sorts of laws and lawsuits will deteriate my freedom. So this will change then?
What's next, regulations on internet protocols? Man is allowed to browse and mail, kill IRC, kill Napster, kill Gnutella?
This smells like a tool for technological censorship... will I need a license-to-programm in future?
But you know, if this is adopted, these guys will make more than $16M per year, so I'd publish it after the adoption of the technology, and the whole industry taking part in the deal, such that we get another DVD-case.
I've commited to this...
Guys were harrassed, guys got scared and project was sent to the bin.
But there are legal DVD players for Linux now...
Maybe the process of getting threatened happened in an early stage, if it did, it never stopped.
Agreed, I did as well as my firewall configuration was incorrect, every time I used Napster, I created a new account...
1. Create an account on the free ISP's, do this on an internet pillar in a bar, amusement hall or whatever
2. You buy a pre-paid cell phone, with cash, in a city or area you usually don't get near.
3. You do not dial up in a public area, as someone might see your face, you drive to somewhere in the middle of nowhere to do your thing. Note that you check for camera's on highways, the point of return on the highway needs to be 30 minutes later than you logged off
4. Throw the cell phone away, or send it to your local police station by mail
So if I understand this correctly... it is legal to download an MP3 from Napster, but it is not legal to play it... that means Napster IS innocent!
The author claims that we should deal with copyright infringement and the obscene profits separately.
How do you fight obscene profits, and the financial disadvantage of artists? We don't have a stick behind the door, we're not in a position of negotiation! Napster and clones give us that position of negotiation... Napster and clones are the stick behind the door.
I've read the story on linuxworld about a week ago, in my opinion, there are too many assumptions. 'The law is the law, deal with it', where as a matter of fact, the author does not recognize the possibility of laws changing.
well, UMTS devices are actually different than cell-phones. It is quite a change of format, but then, you get more features like images?
They shouldn't look at cell-phone sales rates, as I get a cell phone for buying a pakket of cigarettes, they should look at mobile communication usage.
I can't imagine that linking becomes forbidden here in Holland, no way!!! Why sending that E-mail to the whole world? Do they really believe that US law is universal?
Because that would mean that they wouldn't get any support themselves...
I'm even better (or worse) I actually own the install disks, and I've still got an XT to install it on.
I think Sony's PR machine is passed by. Certain people reading this might think, well, let's destroy Sony's revenue by not buying their products.
Same as here in Holland, a dutch media station put their radio shows in real-audio on the web. Sony didn't want that because the fan could listen to their favourite artist as many times as they wanted. No, the real fan is patient, and waits until his song appears on the radio.
This dutch (public) media station took action by boycotting anything coming from Sony (like Oasis).
It happens that this story is not even a month old.
Seems like the Sony PR machine is passed again, and no concessions with the public is sought.
First I thought it was a joke, but campchaos is doing a series on Napster parodies. There is this movie called 'sue all the world'. Y'know, if I'm reading this Gnutella case, I still wonder whether 'sue all the world' actually is a joke.
Open Source software could damage closed source commercial variants. There's always that disclaimer that no liability rights are given.
Does the non-free-speech-status for software imply that a programmer is accountable for his work?
Sure, I've downloaded something called 'ClanLib' or libMesa3D and I mean sources. Compiled them libs, installed them, and the rpm which required those libs still couldn't recognize their presence. I know I have to add some stuff to the rpm database, but I've been too lazy to figure that out, many (smaller) OS-projects aren't worth the effort.
You know, if nothing changes, you're culture will die, it happened to a couple of the ancient cultures you know, but I guess you're only interested in keeping your money safe, beating the wife up when you're drunk, and maybe shoot some 'niggers for hunting right?
you're a liar. You've never lived in Europe, in my country, the amount of vacant jobs grows with a factor 4 faster than the employable population.
Taking car of the unemployed is socialistic, yes, nobody dies of starvation, and some are unemployed because their lazy ofcourse, but the rules are very strict, not as strict as in the US. You know, people in Camden are dying from starvation, drugs, crime etc. They won't be saved by any conservative with compassion program. I'm not saying 'US is bad', I'm saying, that it can be the other way round. But I guess you're just another troll.
I'm getting confused here, I'm reading multiple stories, and cnet tells us that RIAA can come with counter arguments before 18th August, while CNN (or ZDnet I can't remember) mentions 8th August!!
This story is too big to take some time to sit down and write propperly.
Their PR machine is running, as they are now attacking students and on their web-site you'll be explained what the costs of a CD are.
Back again to technique: any page on their web-site is *.cfm does anyone know any security holes in Cold Fusion? perhaps?
Here in Holland, a DJ from the National Radio (and that's big btw) is supporting Napster, and has posted alternatives on his web-site.
Napster support is coming through the most ackward channels.
1. Napster is David against corporate Goliath
2. Linux is David against corporate Goliath, and Slashdot supports Linux (thus Napster)
3. Napster is internet-changing-the-world thing
Legality is not an issue, laws are simply unsuitable to a lot of readers here. Legality is not an argument, the law has to change. Legality is ignored in this discussion. Legality is the curse other than the cure in the Napster case.
Opposing Napster isn't necesary ethical, multi-billion dollar corporates sucking more consumer money isn't either.
Refuse a product, right, enough undereducated/uniterested people who just go to the shops and buy a CD/DVD.
I'm quite pessimistic on this. Power monopolies/oligopolies exist by 'channels' and 'networks' inherited or build on personal contact, usually in distribution of the product or manufacturer of the product. These channels get power and decide what people like, like it or not, the alternatives can be hard to find.
The internet breaks down the barriers of distribution, channels and networks get hurt. Now it's the RIAA and MPAA thing, next there is the physical distribution of products, these channels and networks are now attacked by broker-websites. Where I'm from, it doesn't exist that long, but lot's of people are very pissed already.