Good Day,
First off Chiropractic IS NOT Quackery, that is a Mechanism of Political Medicine to discredit the profession that is doing the most for medical failures of back pain treatment, surgery,chronic pain such as Fibromyalgia and similar pain syndromes. Second, verifiable research has been done on Chiropractic Spinal Manipulation since the 1960's and is the reason that the Political Medical organizations that declared Chiropractic Quackery is a result of the turf war aspects of chiropractic & medicine since it's inception. You might look at the research being done by Harvard School of Medicine and the Logan College of Chiropractic if you have more than three synapses working. Third, Homeopathy, while not as completely researched does exhibit that in certain conditions exhibits active results upon the condition. Fourth, while I'm not a fan of PT since they are trying to take over the practice of Chiropractic which is NOT PT on behalf of organized Medicine within it's practice parameters is helpful, but not as a treatment in and of itself if best pt. results is the goal, Last, Acupuncture has been around for at least 5000 years and the World health organization indicates it's effectiveness in 450+ conditions from all over the globe. Instead of trying to get all the healing arts practices to work together for the benefit of the patient there is no real effort to make the patient the basis of the care rather than the control most MD,s and almost all specialist's I've worked with in the last 35 years don't give a rat's tail about the pt. just their income. Having worked for 9 yrs. in EMS and a few yrs. in critical care as well as 31+ years in Health care as a Chiropractic Physician and Holistic practitioner, I've seen it all so perhaps it is time for change. What is the price of change? Responsibility! Something I've seen little of. Perhaps you were dropped upon your cranium as an infant. In Service & In Health, Captain Cautious, DC, DCM, Dip. NBCE, EMT-A, EMICT, DDh.
In this situation with the coach here on trial essentially for his life, what is left of it,seems to have missed a VERY important piece of data. If one actually reads the article and the associated data there is a rather significant piece of medical data related to the cause of death. Sepsis, look it up if you don't know what it is.
Sepsis does not normally create dehydration until fever is present without re-hydrating influences, and is NOT caused by exercise or running. Sepsis is the result of bacterial or viral infection of some type, most likely bacterial. he was noted to have been hydrated on admission.
In view of the medical statement that an autopsy was not needed, I would wonder, what kind of sepsis? An autopsy was not performed in a death that would certainly go to court,WHY? I think that the defense attorney should be barking up that tree, for information at the least.
In Service & In Health,
(Dr.) Captain V. Cautious
While I usually lurk & learn, this issue hits a particularly painful spot. First, it is untrue that they can not clean you out in bankruptcy. As has occurred, they only have to leave you one set of personal wear, one set of business wear, the "Tools of your trade" and $100.00 if and only if the balance of your immediate debts [less than 30 days]-(not long term)is now clear. They do not have to leave you a place to live, just access to public type temporary housing. They may leave you a basic vehicle if you are more than 10 mi. from public transportation that comes within 5 mi. of your workplace though that isn't always certain. This is I'll grant you rarely applied but in 1981 when this occurred was a forced filing due to a crazy ex, and several greedy companies that would not negotiate, the judgment was applied at the insistence of my creditors with a supple judge.
I learned long ago that the legal system does not protect the innocent or worthy, it protects vested interests and the moneyed folks. The worse mess though is an identity theft just as you are back on your feet. These folks watch you and as soon as they see you can't avoid credit or other bills you are had. I was lucky it only took all my savings (~30,000+-) and a year of my life to unscramble my mess but that was only because the perps were both caught.
Yes, a bankruptcy affects your credit, negatively if any creditors persist or trick you into reaffirmation, positively perhaps, it depends,...and yes it took ten+ years to re-establish credit at all and then none available from anyone after the ID theft. None was available for professional/business funds. If the White hats really started seriously waging cyber war on the "Crackers" note I did not say or mean honest to Goddess hackers.
If you are ever considering owning a home, even a mobile home, be prepared to pay unreasonable payments or down payment, or just pay cash...
Capt. V. Cautious
And what makes you think that the MP(F)AA haven't already bought more than a few, remember the DMCA, and what about ACTA, that they are being so secretive about. That is most worrisome. I wonder though, we can't encrypt, why can they???? We need to speak up to our congress pople--NOW!!!
Apparently the researcher did not do his homework. There is sufficient clinical data for the efficacy of both alternative treatment systems, modalities and homeopathy. His comment, "In modern times, superstitions turn up as a belief in alternative and homeopathic remedies." is a scientific slander and can not be justified on the basis of observed facts and research.
Fist to sloppy research times 3! After all what goes around comes around three times...
Capt. Cautious
also an Alternative Physician
"You can't be fired for religious belief. Join the church of GNU. it already has a saint [softpanorama.org]"
Humor aside, Theoretically that is true. In 1985 The Detmer & Lander decision by the USSC made the religion of Wicca legally recognized religion with the same 1st. Amendment rights as any other.
Tell your employer you practice Wicca, or let them discover it, and see how long your job lasts. It is "almost" impossible to prove religious discrimination if you are non-christian.
Capt. Cautious
Well,I used an old ICQ (2003b) client and had no trouble logging into ICQ. However, when I switched to pidgin (Pidgin 2.4.1) it said that the client was too old and to update at the pidgin update site. nothing about ICQ6. I think ICQ may end up regretting this. Hum...very interesting ( thumb and forefinger sweep down on point of beard).
Capt. Cautious
A religion focuses on the "Divine" source by whatever name, not an individual. A "Cult" is characterized by the "worship" of a Charismatic individual. The Jones Cult is a fair example. The principal difference is the focus of the Worship. Another example would be the religion of the Wicca, it's focus is the worship of the Old Gods and Goddesses of Nature. So when you have an Individual as the center of "Worship/Control" you have a cult.
Wikipedia has a clearer but similar definition. See www.wikipedia.org.
Captain V. Cautious
Granted that this may not be a perfect solution, but having been through this about 10 Yrs. back you might want to download a program called KeyScrambler. You can google it or check this link. http://www.qfxsoftware.com/ it is available as a add-on for Firefox and a system program that encrypts the traffic from keyboard to kernal. The average user probably can't get around it easily.
Captain V. Cautious
After looking at all but the last hundred comments I only have this to say:
I thought that "Science" involved the "Scientific Method"! What's missing here besides not so common sense?
Captain V. Cautious
To Begin: Morals are based upon religious values. Issue of "Right & Wrong" are only partially moral issues as the concept of law also applies here. It is equally legal to access a publicly listed url for a porn site as it is to access ANY other url that is "public". By public, I mean that the URL does not have anything that indicates it is a restricted URL. There are two primary issues her and neither is the issue of access.
Since the owners of said URL are claiming a "Hack"( ludicrous on the face of it )they are creating the tort of Defamation of Character which is actionable. The putative owner made no attempt to protect access to that URL, relying on security through obscurity. ( Their Bad ) There can not be a "Morals" issue unless the individual's ethical matrix includes, "the access of a public URL is not morally correct."
After doing a bit of research I discovered that in the "...absence of any security measures... the site in question is considered in the public domain." Thus no illegality, No Hack, no misconduct. In addition by bringing this to the owners attention through pointing to the URL he is guilty only of a similar act that security experts do in different ways: Notify the company. Have fun:)
Delightful! I only use windows (XP-Pro) because I need some specific medical/health care programs that do not run under Linux and even Wine won't run, drat it!!!
I am not a nOOb. I am not an advanced geek, though I do aspire to geekdom. I am a mid-level tech oriented doctor who is so fed up with Winblow$ I could scream. I have been using SuSE Linux for ~6 years now and it was the principal server I set up in our office until it closed in 06. Since Novell sold out to Winblow$ I have been looking at other distros, particularly Kubuntu. I really like the KDE desktop. Yes, I will continue with the dual boot systems until I can find Linux equivalents to my major health related programs. If I were a programmer this would be fairly straightforward, The programs would be reverse engineered and ported. Alas, I'm not.
I CHOOSE to remain with Linux, despite some of the technical issues because, unlike Winblow$, it is transparent and I can truly secure it to any extent I like. I have just completed a book using Open Office and while there are some quirks I had no major complaints other than the extreme difficulty in contacting OO folks when I needed information. Forums are too time consuming in real life, mostly. I do look forward to the day when Linux is the standard. I hope that I live that long. In Service & In Health, Captain Cautious
First: if I create it for myself, not for profit, I own that data. The courts have already gone through that.
Second: This is one more excellent example of why the ODF format was created and why M$ is trying so hard to subvert it.
Third: M$ - Duh, OOXML Phew!
Captain V. Cautious 12/06/07
While I do not post frequently the issue of the S.A.F.E. Act seems to have taken a weird turn here. First for you entrenched RTFA folks, I did RTFA. In fact I read it several times in several different locations and NONE of them show anything but the revisions to the USA P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act from 2003. I followed several posted links here on/. and found that most were either broken or, like the library of congress, I received the "Image not Available" error and the links to the Thomas ( ie Jefferson) site. Unfortunately, that is becoming more common w/ the LOC.
So having said that, the title of this article, obviously does not refer to the PATRIOT act since the Patriot act does not directly deal with child Porn in the context of this article. Maybe the links can not point to the correct article...
How...ever... The parents of this country seem to have abrogated the collective duty to "Parent"; ie: to care for and guide their children into paths that seem most ethical to them, not to the government, not to the ISP's, and certainly not to the tech nation that the US was and is now slowly dying. Each religious paradigm has a codicil of ethical behavior that seems to have fallen by the wayside. We expect the (secular) schools to teach proper behavior. Like these grossly overworked and underpaid teachers have noting better to do?
So what does this have to do with child porn? Quite a lot, IMHO. The Internet is a tool. Just like a hammer, and like the hammer can create either destruction or creative construction. It may hold great knowledge as well as 'relative evil' . The technology is there to filter our child porn, but it is so inclusive that it is essentially worthless in that it also blocks sites that the software's nominally Christian manufacturers don't like. As fast as one site is blocked the money is there to create another one that has not been added to filters yet, and so on... Our children are in many ways much more sophisticated than we are technologically. If they want to find ANY kind of sexually explicit material, they WILL find a way. One of the dangers of this kind of draconianism relates directly to education, medical anatomy-surgery, sex education, contraceptive education ALL of which are useful and necessary sites. I'm certain those with more than 2 synapses working will understand what I mean.
Society is NOT responsible for teaching ethics. The religious and parental sectors have always had that, & often abrogated that responsibility. The fly in the ointment is the social/societal ethos which, in consensus, determines how we are supposed to act in a responsible manner as we go about our interactions in society. This is partially based in law. Sadly though that ethos is progressively shifting towards the destruction of privacy, security of the individual, mediocrity of education, restriction of information and movement and most importantly IMO the concept that money can buy you anything, including justice. As well as the control the people idea, " Why do you want privacy if you have nothing to hide?" I won't go into that diatribe here but it is one of the single most important questions of the privacy issue. Please do some serious thinking here folks.
We know that unless you are living under the handicap of a Axis IV DSM diagnosis involving a deep psychosis child porn is repulsive. Not because it is porn qua se, IMO but rather that, like rape, it depicts an unwilling violence against the victim. In this case an underage individual who can neither truly understand nor consent to what is being done to them. IN SHORT the/. article reads like 1st. Class FUD. ( gratuitous flamebait, thank you) When considering child porn I suggest that you consider what you might feel like if you were the victim.
Now making a jump of possibly permissible logic If this kind of law was indeed passed (perhaps a different name?) It is both the right & the duty of the people to change it through actions relative to their elected representatives and sena
Pushing Robot: You might wish to be aware that T-Bird also has spam learning features, M-box filtering by header body or the to & from lines. I've used it for many years and the only problem I have with it it backing up all the mail that I want. So I just do a Manual back up. Mozbak is okay but truncates my mail directories. So just set up your sandbox and take a closer look at the T-Bird. GPG is the only thing missing, in the desktop version, That I would really appreciate. There is NO PRIVACY no matter what your client as long as the national spy on us program still has it's infrastructure in place and cryptography is only a short term solution.
As Ever In Service,
Captain V. Cautious
Hi Guys, and Gals,
I'm not a newbie nor an expert however after doing hours of disgnostics and documenting what I've done then have a first line tech tell me to "reboot the system" and I reply, That was my second move or I did that several hrs, or days ago ( depending on how long it took me to actually find the problem and verify it). Then after ALWAYS wasting from 30 min to an hour it is finally escalated. Now it is, I'll concede, rare, but once in a while I would get a knowledgeable tech who when I list off what I have done and what diags. I've tried does not automaniacaly assume I'm a turkey. And withing a few minutes is either asking the right questions or is referring me up the line. It is sad that companies, like HP, for example, can not really bother train their 1st. line folks instead of outsourcing it to India where every third person either doesn't understand you or you can not understand them. However I digress. When you get to the senior tech or the Senior CSR techs, EG: case managers, if you are relatively polite and you clearly list and explain what you have done, right or wrong, they will go out of their way to help you. I do agree with the slashdotter who resented wasting time when they don't call for petty stuffs. Captain V. Cautious
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Good Day,
First off Chiropractic IS NOT Quackery, that is a Mechanism of Political Medicine to discredit the profession that is doing the most for medical failures of back pain treatment, surgery,chronic pain such as Fibromyalgia and similar pain syndromes. Second, verifiable research has been done on Chiropractic Spinal Manipulation since the 1960's and is the reason that the Political Medical organizations that declared Chiropractic Quackery is a result of the turf war aspects of chiropractic & medicine since it's inception. You might look at the research being done by Harvard School of Medicine and the Logan College of Chiropractic if you have more than three synapses working. Third, Homeopathy, while not as completely researched does exhibit that in certain conditions exhibits active results upon the condition. Fourth, while I'm not a fan of PT since they are trying to take over the practice of Chiropractic which is NOT PT on behalf of organized Medicine within it's practice parameters is helpful, but not as a treatment in and of itself if best pt. results is the goal, Last, Acupuncture has been around for at least 5000 years and the World health organization indicates it's effectiveness in 450+ conditions from all over the globe. Instead of trying to get all the healing arts practices to work together for the benefit of the patient there is no real effort to make the patient the basis of the care rather than the control most MD,s and almost all specialist's I've worked with in the last 35 years don't give a rat's tail about the pt. just their income. Having worked for 9 yrs. in EMS and a few yrs. in critical care as well as 31+ years in Health care as a Chiropractic Physician and Holistic practitioner, I've seen it all so perhaps it is time for change. What is the price of change? Responsibility! Something I've seen little of. Perhaps you were dropped upon your cranium as an infant.
In Service & In Health,
Captain Cautious, DC, DCM, Dip. NBCE, EMT-A, EMICT, DDh.
In this situation with the coach here on trial essentially for his life, what is left of it,seems to have missed a VERY important piece of data. If one actually reads the article and the associated data there is a rather significant piece of medical data related to the cause of death. Sepsis, look it up if you don't know what it is. Sepsis does not normally create dehydration until fever is present without re-hydrating influences, and is NOT caused by exercise or running. Sepsis is the result of bacterial or viral infection of some type, most likely bacterial. he was noted to have been hydrated on admission. In view of the medical statement that an autopsy was not needed, I would wonder, what kind of sepsis? An autopsy was not performed in a death that would certainly go to court,WHY? I think that the defense attorney should be barking up that tree, for information at the least. In Service & In Health, (Dr.) Captain V. Cautious
While I usually lurk & learn, this issue hits a particularly painful spot. First, it is untrue that they can not clean you out in bankruptcy. As has occurred, they only have to leave you one set of personal wear, one set of business wear, the "Tools of your trade" and $100.00 if and only if the balance of your immediate debts [less than 30 days]-(not long term)is now clear. They do not have to leave you a place to live, just access to public type temporary housing. They may leave you a basic vehicle if you are more than 10 mi. from public transportation that comes within 5 mi. of your workplace though that isn't always certain. This is I'll grant you rarely applied but in 1981 when this occurred was a forced filing due to a crazy ex, and several greedy companies that would not negotiate, the judgment was applied at the insistence of my creditors with a supple judge. I learned long ago that the legal system does not protect the innocent or worthy, it protects vested interests and the moneyed folks. The worse mess though is an identity theft just as you are back on your feet. These folks watch you and as soon as they see you can't avoid credit or other bills you are had. I was lucky it only took all my savings (~30,000+-) and a year of my life to unscramble my mess but that was only because the perps were both caught. Yes, a bankruptcy affects your credit, negatively if any creditors persist or trick you into reaffirmation, positively perhaps, it depends,...and yes it took ten+ years to re-establish credit at all and then none available from anyone after the ID theft. None was available for professional/business funds. If the White hats really started seriously waging cyber war on the "Crackers" note I did not say or mean honest to Goddess hackers. If you are ever considering owning a home, even a mobile home, be prepared to pay unreasonable payments or down payment, or just pay cash... Capt. V. Cautious
And what makes you think that the MP(F)AA haven't already bought more than a few, remember the DMCA, and what about ACTA, that they are being so secretive about. That is most worrisome. I wonder though, we can't encrypt, why can they????
We need to speak up to our congress pople--NOW!!!
Apparently the researcher did not do his homework. There is sufficient clinical data for the efficacy of both alternative treatment systems, modalities and homeopathy. His comment, "In modern times, superstitions turn up as a belief in alternative and homeopathic remedies." is a scientific slander and can not be justified on the basis of observed facts and research. Fist to sloppy research times 3! After all what goes around comes around three times... Capt. Cautious also an Alternative Physician
"You can't be fired for religious belief. Join the church of GNU. it already has a saint [softpanorama.org]" Humor aside, Theoretically that is true. In 1985 The Detmer & Lander decision by the USSC made the religion of Wicca legally recognized religion with the same 1st. Amendment rights as any other. Tell your employer you practice Wicca, or let them discover it, and see how long your job lasts. It is "almost" impossible to prove religious discrimination if you are non-christian. Capt. Cautious
Well,I used an old ICQ (2003b) client and had no trouble logging into ICQ. However, when I switched to pidgin (Pidgin 2.4.1) it said that the client was too old and to update at the pidgin update site. nothing about ICQ6. I think ICQ may end up regretting this. Hum...very interesting ( thumb and forefinger sweep down on point of beard). Capt. Cautious
A religion focuses on the "Divine" source by whatever name, not an individual. A "Cult" is characterized by the "worship" of a Charismatic individual. The Jones Cult is a fair example. The principal difference is the focus of the Worship. Another example would be the religion of the Wicca, it's focus is the worship of the Old Gods and Goddesses of Nature. So when you have an Individual as the center of "Worship/Control" you have a cult. Wikipedia has a clearer but similar definition. See www.wikipedia.org. Captain V. Cautious
Granted that this may not be a perfect solution, but having been through this about 10 Yrs. back you might want to download a program called KeyScrambler. You can google it or check this link. http://www.qfxsoftware.com/ it is available as a add-on for Firefox and a system program that encrypts the traffic from keyboard to kernal. The average user probably can't get around it easily. Captain V. Cautious
After looking at all but the last hundred comments I only have this to say: I thought that "Science" involved the "Scientific Method"! What's missing here besides not so common sense? Captain V. Cautious
To Begin: Morals are based upon religious values. Issue of "Right & Wrong" are only partially moral issues as the concept of law also applies here. It is equally legal to access a publicly listed url for a porn site as it is to access ANY other url that is "public". By public, I mean that the URL does not have anything that indicates it is a restricted URL. There are two primary issues her and neither is the issue of access. :)
Since the owners of said URL are claiming a "Hack"( ludicrous on the face of it )they are creating the tort of Defamation of Character which is actionable. The putative owner made no attempt to protect access to that URL, relying on security through obscurity. ( Their Bad )
There can not be a "Morals" issue unless the individual's ethical matrix includes, "the access of a public URL is not morally correct."
After doing a bit of research I discovered that in the "...absence of any security measures... the site in question is considered in the public domain." Thus no illegality, No Hack, no misconduct. In addition by bringing this to the owners attention through pointing to the URL he is guilty only of a similar act that security experts do in different ways: Notify the company.
Have fun
Delightful! I only use windows (XP-Pro) because I need some specific medical/health care programs that do not run under Linux and even Wine won't run, drat it!!!
I am not a nOOb. I am not an advanced geek, though I do aspire to geekdom. I am a mid-level tech oriented doctor who is so fed up with Winblow$ I could scream. I have been using SuSE Linux for ~6 years now and it was the principal server I set up in our office until it closed in 06. Since Novell sold out to Winblow$ I have been looking at other distros, particularly Kubuntu. I really like the KDE desktop. Yes, I will continue with the dual boot systems until I can find Linux equivalents to my major health related programs. If I were a programmer this would be fairly straightforward, The programs would be reverse engineered and ported. Alas, I'm not.
I CHOOSE to remain with Linux, despite some of the technical issues because, unlike Winblow$, it is transparent and I can truly secure it to any extent I like. I have just completed a book using Open Office and while there are some quirks I had no major complaints other than the extreme difficulty in contacting OO folks when I needed information. Forums are too time consuming in real life, mostly. I do look forward to the day when Linux is the standard. I hope that I live that long.
In Service & In Health,
Captain Cautious
First: if I create it for myself, not for profit, I own that data. The courts have already gone through that. Second: This is one more excellent example of why the ODF format was created and why M$ is trying so hard to subvert it. Third: M$ - Duh, OOXML Phew!
Captain V. Cautious 12/06/07 While I do not post frequently the issue of the S.A.F.E. Act seems to have taken a weird turn here. First for you entrenched RTFA folks, I did RTFA. In fact I read it several times in several different locations and NONE of them show anything but the revisions to the USA P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act from 2003. I followed several posted links here on /. and found that most were either broken or, like the library of congress, I received the "Image not Available" error and the links to the Thomas ( ie Jefferson) site. Unfortunately, that is becoming more common w/ the LOC.
So having said that, the title of this article, obviously does not refer to the PATRIOT act since the Patriot act does not directly deal with child Porn in the context of this article. Maybe the links can not point to the correct article...
How...ever... The parents of this country seem to have abrogated the collective duty to "Parent"; ie: to care for and guide their children into paths that seem most ethical to them, not to the government, not to the ISP's, and certainly not to the tech nation that the US was and is now slowly dying. Each religious paradigm has a codicil of ethical behavior that seems to have fallen by the wayside. We expect the (secular) schools to teach proper behavior. Like these grossly overworked and underpaid teachers have noting better to do?
So what does this have to do with child porn? Quite a lot, IMHO. The Internet is a tool. Just like a hammer, and like the hammer can create either destruction or creative construction. It may hold great knowledge as well as 'relative evil' . The technology is there to filter our child porn, but it is so inclusive that it is essentially worthless in that it also blocks sites that the software's nominally Christian manufacturers don't like. As fast as one site is blocked the money is there to create another one that has not been added to filters yet, and so on... Our children are in many ways much more sophisticated than we are technologically. If they want to find ANY kind of sexually explicit material, they WILL find a way. One of the dangers of this kind of draconianism relates directly to education, medical anatomy-surgery, sex education, contraceptive education ALL of which are useful and necessary sites. I'm certain those with more than 2 synapses working will understand what I mean.
Society is NOT responsible for teaching ethics. The religious and parental sectors have always had that, & often abrogated that responsibility. The fly in the ointment is the social/societal ethos which, in consensus, determines how we are supposed to act in a responsible manner as we go about our interactions in society. This is partially based in law. Sadly though that ethos is progressively shifting towards the destruction of privacy, security of the individual, mediocrity of education, restriction of information and movement and most importantly IMO the concept that money can buy you anything, including justice. As well as the control the people idea, " Why do you want privacy if you have nothing to hide?" I won't go into that diatribe here but it is one of the single most important questions of the privacy issue. Please do some serious thinking here folks.
We know that unless you are living under the handicap of a Axis IV DSM diagnosis involving a deep psychosis child porn is repulsive. Not because it is porn qua se, IMO but rather that, like rape, it depicts an unwilling violence against the victim. In this case an underage individual who can neither truly understand nor consent to what is being done to them. IN SHORT the /. article reads like 1st. Class FUD. ( gratuitous flamebait, thank you) When considering child porn I suggest that you consider what you might feel like if you were the victim.
Now making a jump of possibly permissible logic If this kind of law was indeed passed (perhaps a different name?) It is both the right & the duty of the people to change it through actions relative to their elected representatives and sena
Pushing Robot: You might wish to be aware that T-Bird also has spam learning features, M-box filtering by header body or the to & from lines. I've used it for many years and the only problem I have with it it backing up all the mail that I want. So I just do a Manual back up. Mozbak is okay but truncates my mail directories. So just set up your sandbox and take a closer look at the T-Bird. GPG is the only thing missing, in the desktop version, That I would really appreciate. There is NO PRIVACY no matter what your client as long as the national spy on us program still has it's infrastructure in place and cryptography is only a short term solution. As Ever In Service, Captain V. Cautious
Hi Guys, and Gals,
I'm not a newbie nor an expert however after doing hours of disgnostics and documenting what I've done then have a first line tech tell me to "reboot the system" and I reply, That was my second move or I did that several hrs, or days ago ( depending on how long it took me to actually find the problem and verify it). Then after ALWAYS wasting from 30 min to an hour it is finally escalated. Now it is, I'll concede, rare, but once in a while I would get a knowledgeable tech who when I list off what I have done and what diags. I've tried does not automaniacaly assume I'm a turkey. And withing a few minutes is either asking the right questions or is referring me up the line. It is sad that companies, like HP, for example, can not really bother train their 1st. line folks instead of outsourcing it to India where every third person either doesn't understand you or you can not understand them. However I digress. When you get to the senior tech or the Senior CSR techs, EG: case managers, if you are relatively polite and you clearly list and explain what you have done, right or wrong, they will go out of their way to help you. I do agree with the slashdotter who resented wasting time when they don't call for petty stuffs.
Captain V. Cautious
Maybe I am somewhat naive but am I the only one to see the increased speed down the slippery slope this decision has created? Capt. Cautious