The issue here is that your uninstaller is broken. If you were using good packaging system (such as dpkg or RPM), this would not be an issue, because the "critical module" would not have been deleted. If you don't mind me asking, what packaging system were you using?
And since when do Christmas lights break if one light dies?
The original poster seemed to be implying that we'd run into compatibility problems by making additions to RPM. I provided a simple way to keep compatibility problems at a minimum. My post had absolutely nothing to do with compatibility between RPM and dpkg. Perhaps I should be the one telling *you* to say something useful.
So you're saying it's easier to debug code when it's all bundled together in one big mess, then when it's divided into different pieces, each piece serving a different purpose?
I'm not really much of a programmer, but I know enough about programming to know that it's much easier to debug a modularized program rather then a program which is one big blob of code.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what you seem to be saying is that Linux *should* be unstable because it's modularized ("one big mob of code"), and that Windows *should* be stable because it's less modularized and not seperated into individual packages. Is that right?
> security.debian.org does make it possible to install only security fixes on a stable system. That's an important but very limited case. It doesn't help if I replace security with any other criterion.
Can you give example of another criterion?
> Moreover, what if I'm running unstable? I often do this, but there are still times when I don't want to risk installing any upgrades but critical ones.
Why are you running unstable, if you want to only risk installing critical updates?
> hold is a very blunt instrument. For example, if I install version 1 and put the package on hold, I will get alerted by deselect when version 2 comes out (ie, it will appear in the "Updated" section"), but if I choose not to upgrade, I won't get any new indication when version 3 comes out. I have to remember that version 2 was the last version I considered.
I could be wrong, but I think `apt-get dist-upgrade` will tell you when a potential upgrade is being put on hold.
> Debian stable does not contain only well-integrated, well-tested packages. If you think so, you're either horribly biased or smoking something. Think about GNOME in slink. Or the many orphaned packages in any stable release. Or all the random little programs used by almost nobody and packaged by novice Debian developers.
*shrug*. I don't use stable, so I wouldn't know. Unstable is plenty stable enough for me. Perhaps someone else can comment... ?
> One famous saying that applies to Linux is this: too many cooks spoil the broth. With the thousands of driver modules, library modules, and executables, Linux is one big mob of code.
What you're saying makes no sense. Linux is not one big mob of code, it's the exact opposite. The code is neatly divided into pieces, each piece serving a different purpose. This way each team can work on a specific piece of software, with minimum compatibility problems.
The difference between Linux and Windows in that aspect, is that while Linux packages different programs/libraries/whatever in different packages, Windows "is one big mob of code", with *everything* distributed as one huge package.
> It's surprising that it's as stable as it is;
In that case, Linux vs. Windows is just an exception to the rule, right? I suppose then you can provide other examples then... ?
> it's not surprising that it's as hard to upgrade as it is.
Obviously you're not using the right distribution and/or the right tools. I can upgrade my entire distribution to the latest cutting edge software with `apt-get update; apt-get -y dist-upgrade`, then come back later when the download is complete, and take 5 minutes to configure it.
> tell the system to apply only security or high-priority fixes?
http://www.debian.org/security/
> tell the system to automatically process all updates except those involving specified packages, which I want to approve on a case-by-case basis?
This can be done in Debian. There's probably a simpler way to accomplish this, but you can run dselect, search for the package, and hit '=' to put the package on hold, so it will not be updated automatically.
> ask for packages that will help me convert GIF files to PNG?
You can search descriptions at http://packages.debian.org.
> ask for only well-integrated, well-tested packages?
I think having both GNOME and KDE is a positive thing, since they're in competition, and therefore will both try to make a superior product. Though, I do think increasing compatibility between the two would be very beneficial.
What about the RSA Encryption/Decryption T-Shirt at http://www.thinkgeek.com/brain/bazaar/mart/cart.cg i?action=view&type=item&itemid=31fe, which can't be distributed outside the U.S.? Isn't that a form of free speech? Has anything similar to this been challenged in court before?
What if you were to in the middle of the street start announcing the DeCSS code? Would that be illegal too?
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The animals that you eat are generally locked up in very small cages their entire life until they're brutally killed, which I doubt is too pleasant for the animal. And these are cows, sheep, and pigs (and note, pigs are the 4th to smartest animal in the world including humans).
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The issue here is that your uninstaller is broken. If you were using good packaging system (such as dpkg or RPM), this would not be an issue, because the "critical module" would not have been deleted. If you don't mind me asking, what packaging system were you using?
And since when do Christmas lights break if one light dies?
The original poster seemed to be implying that we'd run into compatibility problems by making additions to RPM. I provided a simple way to keep compatibility problems at a minimum. My post had absolutely nothing to do with compatibility between RPM and dpkg. Perhaps I should be the one telling *you* to say something useful.
So you're saying it's easier to debug code when it's all bundled together in one big mess, then when it's divided into different pieces, each piece serving a different purpose?
I'm not really much of a programmer, but I know enough about programming to know that it's much easier to debug a modularized program rather then a program which is one big blob of code.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what you seem to be saying is that Linux *should* be unstable because it's modularized ("one big mob of code"), and that Windows *should* be stable because it's less modularized and not seperated into individual packages. Is that right?
> security.debian.org does make it possible to install only security fixes on a stable system. That's an important but very limited case. It doesn't help if I replace security with any other criterion.
... ?
Can you give example of another criterion?
> Moreover, what if I'm running unstable? I often do this, but there are still times when I don't want to risk installing any upgrades but critical ones.
Why are you running unstable, if you want to only risk installing critical updates?
> hold is a very blunt instrument. For example, if I install version 1 and put the package on hold, I will get alerted by deselect when version 2 comes out (ie, it will appear in the "Updated" section"), but if I choose not to upgrade, I won't get any new indication when version 3 comes out. I have to remember that version 2 was the last version I considered.
I could be wrong, but I think `apt-get dist-upgrade` will tell you when a potential upgrade is being put on hold.
> Debian stable does not contain only well-integrated, well-tested packages. If you think so, you're either horribly biased or smoking something. Think about GNOME in slink. Or the many orphaned packages in any stable release. Or all the random little programs used by almost nobody and packaged by novice Debian developers.
*shrug*. I don't use stable, so I wouldn't know. Unstable is plenty stable enough for me. Perhaps someone else can comment
> One famous saying that applies to Linux is this: too many cooks spoil the broth. With the thousands of driver modules, library modules, and executables, Linux is one big mob of code.
... ?
What you're saying makes no sense. Linux is not one big mob of code, it's the exact opposite. The code is neatly divided into pieces, each piece serving a different purpose. This way each team can work on a specific piece of software, with minimum compatibility problems.
The difference between Linux and Windows in that aspect, is that while Linux packages different programs/libraries/whatever in different packages, Windows "is one big mob of code", with *everything* distributed as one huge package.
> It's surprising that it's as stable as it is;
In that case, Linux vs. Windows is just an exception to the rule, right? I suppose then you can provide other examples then
> it's not surprising that it's as hard to upgrade as it is.
Obviously you're not using the right distribution and/or the right tools. I can upgrade my entire distribution to the latest cutting edge software with `apt-get update; apt-get -y dist-upgrade`, then come back later when the download is complete, and take 5 minutes to configure it.
Newer versions of RPM can support additional features, and still provide compatibility for previous RPM packages.
> tell the system to apply only security or high-priority fixes?
http://www.debian.org/security/
> tell the system to automatically process all updates except those involving specified packages, which I want to approve on a case-by-case basis?
This can be done in Debian. There's probably a simpler way to accomplish this, but you can run dselect, search for the package, and hit '=' to put the package on hold, so it will not be updated automatically.
> ask for packages that will help me convert GIF files to PNG?
You can search descriptions at http://packages.debian.org.
> ask for only well-integrated, well-tested packages?
That's what Debian's stable distribution is for.
Unix is a multi-user OS.
I think having both GNOME and KDE is a positive thing, since they're in competition, and therefore will both try to make a superior product. Though, I do think increasing compatibility between the two would be very beneficial.
Wouldn't it make a bit more sense to run a Mac/68k emulator directly from within Linux?
The name "Juan Gutierrez" is an Apple trade secret. I smell a lawsuit.
Generally classical music is not copyrighted though.
In order to use Napster, you need a computer and access to the internet.
You see, in the U.S. marijuana is evil. eBay will not allow marijuana auctions for PR.
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Imagine the headlines
"Online Auction Site eBay Enters Drug Dealing Business."
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What about the RSA Encryption/Decryption T-Shirt at http://www.thinkgeek.com/brain/bazaar/mart/cart.cg i?action=view&type=item&itemid=31fe, which can't be distributed outside the U.S.? Isn't that a form of free speech? Has anything similar to this been challenged in court before?
What if you were to in the middle of the street start announcing the DeCSS code? Would that be illegal too?
The animals that you eat are generally locked up in very small cages their entire life until they're brutally killed, which I doubt is too pleasant for the animal. And these are cows, sheep, and pigs (and note, pigs are the 4th to smartest animal in the world including humans).
According to your analogy, when we come in contact with alien life, we will eventually kill them all (or most). :-)
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> Why should we waste our time trying to save people who choose to live where there is no food?
Are you implying that the people who are starving have the option to move to another country?
Are you a vegetarian? If not, what argument do you have to say that animals shouldn't be used in medical experiments?
But a government murdering an individual for practicing a religion which also happened to be practiced by intolerant murderers, is not as bad?
I think he/she was trying to express the point of view of certain governments, and not his/her personal opinion.
I don't think material encrypted to the point where it's uncrackable by the Chinese government, is legal in China.
Actually they'd probably tow your car.
> (and don't even try to tell me you really meant 600x800)
And don't even try to tell *me* you really meant 800x600.