It was a scheduled re-entry of a Russian satellite that went ahead by 12 hours of it's supposed re-entry time.
Some newscast have stated more than 100 Km from the plane, others just 8 Kms... Either way, is fairly close.
Sorry for the spelling.... I thought it was almost obvious that english is not my native language.
I wasn't trying to demerit the role of modern science... Of course the scientific method is one of the great achievements of science, perhaps creating science itself, as we now think of it, differencing it from religion or philosophy.
Was I was trying to say was that science, and specially experimental science, by definition works and proves or discards things on this plane, with this physics, this logic...
What if, in another plane, the shortest way between two points it's infinitum, or the speed of light is the "0 energy level" of particles, or even matter and time doesn't exist... how would yo expect to prove or discard those planes existance when you can't even access them, nor being influenced by them...
Oh! then comes the power of speculation, imagination, even fantasy... the realm of both charlatans and philosophers, unicorns and hyperspace.
That's what I meant... that where the science cannot continue, it's unable to go further down the road because there simply IS no road, you can theorise, philosophise what lies beyond.
Yeah, the difference with the sphere metaphor is that that one may also work in 3D.
If everything was created almost instantly in the big bang, and then was just thrown out due to the kinetic energy of it, is just like the debris of an explosion flaying away in an spherical way, like a blown up balloon, creating some streams of material here, a large void there...
Now, if we think of the sphere metaphor as the 3D universe over a 4D sphere whose axis we can't even conceive, we can better visualize the so called wormholes as a secant throu the sphere, joining 2 of this 3D places throu that 4th, unconcivable dimention...
Now, I've readed somewhere that scientifics speculate the existence of 11 other spatial dimentions! Talk about trying to coordinate a date on those planes:-/
On the contrary, they're really close together... the rift seems to appear in the last couple of centuries, with the scientific method and the cult to science.
Don't forget that one of the first cosmological models came from Aristoteles, and the idea of the atom can be traced to greek times as well.
Now, the irone seems to be that, when you try to explain, or even just understand phisics of outside your own frame of work, your universe, you can't expect to do it via experiment's, that, being done in this "reality", could not explain or prove things outside of it.
Couriously enough, some theories I've read speculate that the weird behavoir of subatomic particles could be explained by it's interactions with particles in other planes...
Atheists like myself try to find some hope of the afterlife in this...;)
Exactly. It's creating it as it goes...
Mindboggling, isn't it?
Now that's it but just on theory... other theories that I'm not so familiar with (and at an absolute amateurish level) speculate about expansion over some other spatial coordinates that the 3D we know of.
Imagine acid over a polystirene cone, eating it at a symetric rate (or perhaps not so much)... Our universe would be just this surface expanding, and it expands its borders over another spatial dimention unthinkable to the flat universe dudes (us).
It depends on the shape of the universe...
If you think of an Omega constant less or equal than 1, it's either flat or convex, in wich case the frontier diverges...
if, on the other hand, it's more than one, you could have your spheric universe.
Another missconception, AFAIK, is withe the "outside of it". The universe, by definition, is existence itself, in the form of time-space. There can't be an outside because there is no existence there, not even the absence of matter... Yeap, this is the place when phisics turn philosophers...
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It was a scheduled re-entry of a Russian satellite that went ahead by 12 hours of it's supposed re-entry time. Some newscast have stated more than 100 Km from the plane, others just 8 Kms... Either way, is fairly close.
Sorry for the spelling.... I thought it was almost obvious that english is not my native language. I wasn't trying to demerit the role of modern science... Of course the scientific method is one of the great achievements of science, perhaps creating science itself, as we now think of it, differencing it from religion or philosophy. Was I was trying to say was that science, and specially experimental science, by definition works and proves or discards things on this plane, with this physics, this logic... What if, in another plane, the shortest way between two points it's infinitum, or the speed of light is the "0 energy level" of particles, or even matter and time doesn't exist... how would yo expect to prove or discard those planes existance when you can't even access them, nor being influenced by them... Oh! then comes the power of speculation, imagination, even fantasy... the realm of both charlatans and philosophers, unicorns and hyperspace. That's what I meant... that where the science cannot continue, it's unable to go further down the road because there simply IS no road, you can theorise, philosophise what lies beyond.
Yeah, the difference with the sphere metaphor is that that one may also work in 3D. If everything was created almost instantly in the big bang, and then was just thrown out due to the kinetic energy of it, is just like the debris of an explosion flaying away in an spherical way, like a blown up balloon, creating some streams of material here, a large void there... Now, if we think of the sphere metaphor as the 3D universe over a 4D sphere whose axis we can't even conceive, we can better visualize the so called wormholes as a secant throu the sphere, joining 2 of this 3D places throu that 4th, unconcivable dimention... Now, I've readed somewhere that scientifics speculate the existence of 11 other spatial dimentions! Talk about trying to coordinate a date on those planes :-/
On the contrary, they're really close together... the rift seems to appear in the last couple of centuries, with the scientific method and the cult to science. Don't forget that one of the first cosmological models came from Aristoteles, and the idea of the atom can be traced to greek times as well. Now, the irone seems to be that, when you try to explain, or even just understand phisics of outside your own frame of work, your universe, you can't expect to do it via experiment's, that, being done in this "reality", could not explain or prove things outside of it. Couriously enough, some theories I've read speculate that the weird behavoir of subatomic particles could be explained by it's interactions with particles in other planes... Atheists like myself try to find some hope of the afterlife in this... ;)
Exactly. It's creating it as it goes... Mindboggling, isn't it? Now that's it but just on theory... other theories that I'm not so familiar with (and at an absolute amateurish level) speculate about expansion over some other spatial coordinates that the 3D we know of. Imagine acid over a polystirene cone, eating it at a symetric rate (or perhaps not so much)... Our universe would be just this surface expanding, and it expands its borders over another spatial dimention unthinkable to the flat universe dudes (us).
It depends on the shape of the universe... If you think of an Omega constant less or equal than 1, it's either flat or convex, in wich case the frontier diverges... if, on the other hand, it's more than one, you could have your spheric universe. Another missconception, AFAIK, is withe the "outside of it". The universe, by definition, is existence itself, in the form of time-space. There can't be an outside because there is no existence there, not even the absence of matter... Yeap, this is the place when phisics turn philosophers...