The grandparent is either a subtle troll or an subtle joke. I'm not sure which. There's a third option: he genuinely believes that crap he typed. But that's too terrifying to contemplate.
GIMP Developer: Nobody needs those features, for the most part you can fudge what you need with X, Y and Z. You must be some sort of idiot. Mr. Graphic Designer Man: Well, somebody obviously needs them because this isn't the first time they've been asked for. The fudges you suggest make everything take a little bit longer and they don't really work very well. And you won't win any friends by describing random strangers as idiots. GIMP Developer: They work for me, now f*ck off back to Photoshop because you're obviously a fanboi. Mr. Graphic Designer Man: Fine, have it your own way.
To be fair to GIMP, there doesn't seem much point to GIMP supporting color management features if the OS itself doesn't. Although I guess they could add it for the OS X and Windows ports, if anybody runs GIMP on OS X or Windows.
That's an OS-wide problem, sadly. (And one of those "wow, you're waaay behind" ones, considering how long Windows and OS X have had good color management support.)
A lot of Windows Updates require a reboot because in Windows land you can't overwrite files that are in use. This is a security issue as you are still vulnerable to the flaw it patched after you apply the update but before you reboot.
How is that different than any other OS?
If you patch a security flaw in Linux or OS X, and the file is in-use by some process, the in-use (in-memory) copy doesn't get patched, only the copy on disk. Therefore, your computer is still vulnerable until you reboot.
Now in theory, if you know exactly what processes were using the vulnerable file, and none of them were required for the system to function, you could simply close all of those processes and restart them without rebooting your OS. This wouldn't be possible in Windows, since Windows needs the process closed before it does the patch.
Philosophically, the two systems are different. But from a practical perspective, the end result comes out to be the exact same.
UAC was created to fix a problem that was there before by a design problem. If there was no problem UAC would not have been needed.
Yah, but the design problem wasn't in Windows, it was in third-party software.
It's never, ever, been ok for software written for NT-based OSes to assume that the user is an Administrator. Not even in NT 4. If you wrote a program for, say, Windows 2000 that wrote a data file to the Program Files folder, that was your bug. Not a Windows bug, but a bug in your program.
Shitty third-party developers responded to these bugs by just shrugging and saying, "well, hell, I dunno... just run as Admin or something." (Just like shitty developers now respond to UAC bugs by saying, "just turn UAC off.") That's not Microsoft's fault.
The only difference with UAC is that now Windows will tell you about these bugs, even if you're logged in as an Administrator. The bugs weren't Microsoft's-- Microsoft products have always worked fine without Administrative permissions-- the bugs were in third-party software.
If you go through the official bug reporting channels and file the bug with a projects bug tracking system, after confirming that it is not a duplicate, it is generally quite easy to file bug reports for open source projects, generally with absolutely no hassle whatsoever. I've done it many times.
So have I. More often than not, in fact a LOT more often, the bug then goes un-triaged for 4-6 months. Sometimes the bug never gets looked at *years* later. Occasionally, it'll be looked at and commented on, but still not fixed years later.
Sometimes, like in Notepad++ and MySQL Query Browser, the developer completely misunderstood the bug and replied with an idiot workaround that didn't even come close to addressing it. I call out these guys by name because the experience sucked so much, and tbe bugs were trivial. (Notepad++'s bug was in menu handling code-- menus have been a solved problem since 1984! MySQL Query Browser was using Control-A for something other than "Select All" on Windows.)
I know a lot of people have trouble reporting bugs to proprietary software companies, but I've done this twice and in both cases it was fixed in the next version. (One was Apple, their Address Book program claimed to support a cell phone model it didn't actually support. One was Microsoft, a bug where SQL Management Studio windows would open off-screen under some circumstances.)
So my proprietary bug-fixing record is 2/2 (I know; not typical), where my open source record is closer to 1/20.
a dumb example is at my school.. I used to just click on the clock in the taskbar to get a quick calendar.. now I can't se the month calendar cause the administrator disable the ability to change the clock. instead of showing the month and just not allow change.
If it makes you feel better, that is fixed in Vista and Windows 7.
But yah, that bug sucks ass in Windows 2000 and Windows XP. If your sysadmin wasn't a jerk, he'd install a replacement calendar widget in the taskbar for users.
If I don't see a tampon commercial, I consider my life better. Frankly, I have no objection to more-targeted advertising as long as it's not more advertising. (That is, if I'm going to see the ads anyway, show me targeted ones.)
As an end-user, I don't give a flying crap *why* something doesn't work, just *that* it doesn't work. I don't know how many millions of times this has to be hammered into skulls before people finally get the message.
If there was a site I could view in IE6 and nothing else, then, for me, IE6 is a more useful product. Gasp. Shock. Awe. And yet it's true. Cope.
Is that because of an inherently superior product, or because manufacturers work with Microsoft so that the ACPI settings work perfectly with Windows, yet they ignore everyone else?
As an end-user, I can confidently say: I do not give a shit.
You shouldn't use sleep and suspend anyway, just shut the damn thing down.
Yeah, well, Linux also takes longer to start up after it's been shut down.:)
But more seriously, if I'm on a train, and I close the lid to walk 10 minutes to work where I open the lid again, I should do a *full shutdown*? For 10 minutes?
I don't really see your point. We already knew there were *some* people who served as "eyes." That's not the issue-- the issue is whether there are enough qualified people serving in that capacity to create quality software.
In other words, I'd break out the "cool story, bro" image macro here, but Slashdot doesn't do image embedding.
I'm not a "core" developer for any public projects. I've never submitted a bug fix to someone like Microsoft (but have sent bug complaints that went unanswered).
You should see all my bug reports to open source projects that went unanswered. At least Microsoft always emails me back-- open source projects usually don't even triage my bugs in less than 6 months, if you're lucky.
Well, Windows knows how to put my tablet into Sleep/Suspend without it crashing.
Be careful how to define "superior." I doubt you'd find any significant quality difference between Linux and Windows kernels, but if you're talking about user features, I'd wager Windows would come out "superior" in most tests. For my definition of "superior," I'd rather be using Windows 7.
To play devil's advocate, there is the issue that Microsoft products have 10 times the "eyes" looking for security vulnerabilities than Linux-based products do. They also tend to have more features included.
And frankly, the proof *is* in the pudding. Windows 7 is an excellent product, and I've yet to run into a single bug in it. That's not to say there are no bugs, just that I haven't experienced any. So far, it's running far better than *any* Linux distro I've ever tried-- for one thing, it knows what to do with my Tablet PC hardware! (How to use a pen, and how to sleep/suspend.)
Oh I should add, if you have iTunes music going when it locks up, the music gets garbled and cuts-out also... remember your Windows 95 computer trying to play sound and save to a floppy at the same time? It sounds like that.
So whatever the lockup is, it's in the OS and not just Safari.
That's also not the only problem Safari has. About once a week or so, it'll stop loading websites. (Instead, it just times out.) Even though the phone is on 3G, and other apps can fetch data from the web just fine. The only way to fix that one is to reboot the phone.
I've opened about 20 links on fark.com, the iPhone starts closing open tabs automatically at 8 open windows, so I couldn't see exactly how much. It was still working fine.
Well, that's not how to repro it. I don't just spaz out and hit link after link until I hit some kind of cap, which is what it's sounding like you're doing.
Like I said, what I do is browse Fark the way I would on a PC, by reading down a category list and opening links I'm interested in. After opening the link, I go back to the Fark page. When I'm done with the Fark page, I usually have 3-4 other browsers open, so I switch to the first one and read the article. (Note that I'm not just instantly opening and closing things, I'm actually spending time on the pages.) After reading that article, I try closing that browser-- that's when the crash/lockup happens.
Or more accurately, it works about a third of the time. Another third, it locks up for a looong time but eventually works. And the last third, it locks up some for amount of time, then crashes Safari. When Safari comes back up, I can close one browser without issue, but the second one has the exact same chances of crashing.
At one point I had a site that would crash it 100% of the time when trying to close the browser, even if it was the only site open. Unfortunately, I no longer remember what it was.
Could be that you're using an older version of the iPhone (I have 3Gs) and are running out of memory somehow?
I have the 3G version. It has 16 fucking GB of RAM, at least 12 of which is free. It's not running out of memory, and if it is, Apple's software is even *shittier* than I thought, so that's not really an excuse.
Anyway, I don't seem to be able to reproduce your problem, which doesn't mean it's not real. Might be a difference in hardware or configuration.
What possible difference in hardware or configuration possibly justifies this level of bugginess? There's only like, what, 4 different iPhone models? Is 4 models too much of a burden for Apple to QA?
Sorry, the worship Apple products get when they're just as buggy as everybody else's just bothers the hell out of me. (And don't get me started on iTunes... what a giant ball of shit.)
Still, if I don't have a problem, and you do, then it might be that tweaking something can solve it for you.
Like what? There's no goddamned settings on the thing to tweak. It's not like there's a slider saying "use this much memory" or something. And I don't think changing my ring tone is going to make it crash less.
I mean, hell, Safari on the iPhone already has caching turned off for all intents and purposes. Which was an awesome idea, BTW: "Hey remember that old browser feature called 'caching' for slow connections? Yah, let's not use that even though the iPhone connection is super-slow and it has 16 fucking GB of memory."
Maybe I *should* figure out how to jailbreak it, it couldn't possibly crash more.
I've got my iPhone 5 months now and haven't seen a crash of either the OS or Safari yet. What are you doing with it to make it crash?
Visiting Fark.com and using it normally. i.e. opening up a few links (opening in new windows) and then later closing them. Usually becomes completely instable with 3-4 separate browsers open.
Closing a popped-up page will crash the iPhone about a third of the time. Other times, it'll lock-up for up to 30 seconds and then successfully recover without crashing. (But when it locks-up you can't do anything else-- the main menu button stops working.)
The weird thing is that if I manually open up new browsers by using the "New Page" button, it seems to be rock-stable. But when you open a link with target=_blank, suddenly it's crashy-city.
What I've found until now, is that nearly all these reports of unreliable iPhones are from people who've jailbroken it and are running all kinds of dodgy stuff on it.
I haven't jailbroken crap. I wouldn't even know how to if I wanted.
Prove me you're the exception.
Try it yourself. Go to Fark.com. Hit a few links. Try to close some. See what happens.
I mean, it's conceivable that *only* my iPhone has the issue. I doubt it though.
Sure, Microsoft probably has a Flash-based player buried somewhere in the bowels of the company, but why wouldn't they just use YouTube?
Do Slashdotters just assume Microsoft is like, I dunno, some kind of fascist dictatorship all mind-controlled by a single person instead of 70,000+ individuals, all on individual teams, all with autonomy? Because the latter is a hell of a lot closer to the truth.
I can only imagine what kind of WTF image of the company you have that you'd think using YouTube is hilarious, or that it being a Microsoft official site matters. Is it hilarious that they use Akamai as a content delivery network, too? And it's especially hilarious that Akamai uses Linux servers! Har har har!
This one's made my the Zune team. My Zune's never crashed. Ever. In fact I don't think I've even rebooted it in over a year at this point... the screen got cracked so now it just permanently sits tethered to its USB cable. It still works fine, just hard to read the screen.
My iPhone crashes once or twice a day, for comparison's sake-- I count Safari crashing as the phone crashing, maybe unfair, but eh.
Well, it's good to know that even though it's all metric, the easily-standardize-able component still isn't standardized. We wouldn't want things getting too easy.
Uh, it's not in the article and it's not in the summary, and Hubble's flaw had nothing to do with imperial/metric. That was a reference to Mars Climate Orbiter.
So, in short, fail.
I love the use of passive voice, instead of saying "I'm the one idiot who thinks the Hubble has anything to do with this story" you can say "one might have to wonder."
I'd be fine if we picked one or the other and stuck with it. My biggest problems are the interactions between the two systems.
The other day, I couldn't get the damned oil pan drain plug out of my Chrysler car. Why? It's a Chrysler car, build in the Americas (well, Mexico, close enough), but the damned drain plug is a *metric* size. (Size 13... 13mm? I guess?)
I had to borrow a wrench for it... in a million years, I'd never guess Chrysler would use a metric size. (In retrospect, I'm guessing they standardized this so the vast number of oil changes places don't have to constantly change their tools.)
They haven't invented a time machine to solve the problem in an OS that came out years before the problem existed. Is that what you're complaining about? The lack of a time machine?
Huh? What are you talking about? Was that intended as a reply to some other post?
The point I was making is that, since Windows has supported these drives for 3 years now, and Linux doesn't yet have the same level of support, obviously open source development isn't as fast this thread claims.
What the hell does the usage of Windows XP have anything to do with that point?
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The grandparent is either a subtle troll or an subtle joke. I'm not sure which. There's a third option: he genuinely believes that crap he typed. But that's too terrifying to contemplate.
GIMP Developer: Nobody needs those features, for the most part you can fudge what you need with X, Y and Z. You must be some sort of idiot.
Mr. Graphic Designer Man: Well, somebody obviously needs them because this isn't the first time they've been asked for. The fudges you suggest make everything take a little bit longer and they don't really work very well. And you won't win any friends by describing random strangers as idiots.
GIMP Developer: They work for me, now f*ck off back to Photoshop because you're obviously a fanboi.
Mr. Graphic Designer Man: Fine, have it your own way.
To be fair to GIMP, there doesn't seem much point to GIMP supporting color management features if the OS itself doesn't. Although I guess they could add it for the OS X and Windows ports, if anybody runs GIMP on OS X or Windows.
That's an OS-wide problem, sadly. (And one of those "wow, you're waaay behind" ones, considering how long Windows and OS X have had good color management support.)
A lot of Windows Updates require a reboot because in Windows land you can't overwrite files that are in use. This is a security issue as you are still vulnerable to the flaw it patched after you apply the update but before you reboot.
How is that different than any other OS?
If you patch a security flaw in Linux or OS X, and the file is in-use by some process, the in-use (in-memory) copy doesn't get patched, only the copy on disk. Therefore, your computer is still vulnerable until you reboot.
Now in theory, if you know exactly what processes were using the vulnerable file, and none of them were required for the system to function, you could simply close all of those processes and restart them without rebooting your OS. This wouldn't be possible in Windows, since Windows needs the process closed before it does the patch.
Philosophically, the two systems are different. But from a practical perspective, the end result comes out to be the exact same.
Or am I totally off-base?
UAC was created to fix a problem that was there before by a design problem. If there was no problem UAC would not have been needed.
Yah, but the design problem wasn't in Windows, it was in third-party software.
It's never, ever, been ok for software written for NT-based OSes to assume that the user is an Administrator. Not even in NT 4. If you wrote a program for, say, Windows 2000 that wrote a data file to the Program Files folder, that was your bug. Not a Windows bug, but a bug in your program.
Shitty third-party developers responded to these bugs by just shrugging and saying, "well, hell, I dunno... just run as Admin or something." (Just like shitty developers now respond to UAC bugs by saying, "just turn UAC off.") That's not Microsoft's fault.
The only difference with UAC is that now Windows will tell you about these bugs, even if you're logged in as an Administrator. The bugs weren't Microsoft's-- Microsoft products have always worked fine without Administrative permissions-- the bugs were in third-party software.
If you go through the official bug reporting channels and file the bug with a projects bug tracking system, after confirming that it is not a duplicate, it is generally quite easy to file bug reports for open source projects, generally with absolutely no hassle whatsoever. I've done it many times.
So have I. More often than not, in fact a LOT more often, the bug then goes un-triaged for 4-6 months. Sometimes the bug never gets looked at *years* later. Occasionally, it'll be looked at and commented on, but still not fixed years later.
Sometimes, like in Notepad++ and MySQL Query Browser, the developer completely misunderstood the bug and replied with an idiot workaround that didn't even come close to addressing it. I call out these guys by name because the experience sucked so much, and tbe bugs were trivial. (Notepad++'s bug was in menu handling code-- menus have been a solved problem since 1984! MySQL Query Browser was using Control-A for something other than "Select All" on Windows.)
I know a lot of people have trouble reporting bugs to proprietary software companies, but I've done this twice and in both cases it was fixed in the next version. (One was Apple, their Address Book program claimed to support a cell phone model it didn't actually support. One was Microsoft, a bug where SQL Management Studio windows would open off-screen under some circumstances.)
So my proprietary bug-fixing record is 2/2 (I know; not typical), where my open source record is closer to 1/20.
a dumb example is at my school.. I used to just click on the clock in the taskbar to get a quick calendar.. now I can't se the month calendar cause the administrator disable the ability to change the clock. instead of showing the month and just not allow change.
If it makes you feel better, that is fixed in Vista and Windows 7.
But yah, that bug sucks ass in Windows 2000 and Windows XP. If your sysadmin wasn't a jerk, he'd install a replacement calendar widget in the taskbar for users.
If I don't see a tampon commercial, I consider my life better. Frankly, I have no objection to more-targeted advertising as long as it's not more advertising. (That is, if I'm going to see the ads anyway, show me targeted ones.)
As an end-user, I don't give a flying crap *why* something doesn't work, just *that* it doesn't work. I don't know how many millions of times this has to be hammered into skulls before people finally get the message.
If there was a site I could view in IE6 and nothing else, then, for me, IE6 is a more useful product. Gasp. Shock. Awe. And yet it's true. Cope.
Is that because of an inherently superior product, or because manufacturers work with Microsoft so that the ACPI settings work perfectly with Windows, yet they ignore everyone else?
As an end-user, I can confidently say: I do not give a shit.
You shouldn't use sleep and suspend anyway, just shut the damn thing down.
Yeah, well, Linux also takes longer to start up after it's been shut down. :)
But more seriously, if I'm on a train, and I close the lid to walk 10 minutes to work where I open the lid again, I should do a *full shutdown*? For 10 minutes?
I don't really see your point. We already knew there were *some* people who served as "eyes." That's not the issue-- the issue is whether there are enough qualified people serving in that capacity to create quality software.
In other words, I'd break out the "cool story, bro" image macro here, but Slashdot doesn't do image embedding.
I'm not a "core" developer for any public projects. I've never submitted a bug fix to someone like Microsoft (but have sent bug complaints that went unanswered).
You should see all my bug reports to open source projects that went unanswered. At least Microsoft always emails me back-- open source projects usually don't even triage my bugs in less than 6 months, if you're lucky.
Well, Windows knows how to put my tablet into Sleep/Suspend without it crashing.
Be careful how to define "superior." I doubt you'd find any significant quality difference between Linux and Windows kernels, but if you're talking about user features, I'd wager Windows would come out "superior" in most tests. For my definition of "superior," I'd rather be using Windows 7.
To play devil's advocate, there is the issue that Microsoft products have 10 times the "eyes" looking for security vulnerabilities than Linux-based products do. They also tend to have more features included.
And frankly, the proof *is* in the pudding. Windows 7 is an excellent product, and I've yet to run into a single bug in it. That's not to say there are no bugs, just that I haven't experienced any. So far, it's running far better than *any* Linux distro I've ever tried-- for one thing, it knows what to do with my Tablet PC hardware! (How to use a pen, and how to sleep/suspend.)
Oh I should add, if you have iTunes music going when it locks up, the music gets garbled and cuts-out also... remember your Windows 95 computer trying to play sound and save to a floppy at the same time? It sounds like that.
So whatever the lockup is, it's in the OS and not just Safari.
That's also not the only problem Safari has. About once a week or so, it'll stop loading websites. (Instead, it just times out.) Even though the phone is on 3G, and other apps can fetch data from the web just fine. The only way to fix that one is to reboot the phone.
I've opened about 20 links on fark.com, the iPhone starts closing open tabs automatically at 8 open windows, so I couldn't see exactly how much.
It was still working fine.
Well, that's not how to repro it. I don't just spaz out and hit link after link until I hit some kind of cap, which is what it's sounding like you're doing.
Like I said, what I do is browse Fark the way I would on a PC, by reading down a category list and opening links I'm interested in. After opening the link, I go back to the Fark page. When I'm done with the Fark page, I usually have 3-4 other browsers open, so I switch to the first one and read the article. (Note that I'm not just instantly opening and closing things, I'm actually spending time on the pages.) After reading that article, I try closing that browser-- that's when the crash/lockup happens.
Or more accurately, it works about a third of the time. Another third, it locks up for a looong time but eventually works. And the last third, it locks up some for amount of time, then crashes Safari. When Safari comes back up, I can close one browser without issue, but the second one has the exact same chances of crashing.
At one point I had a site that would crash it 100% of the time when trying to close the browser, even if it was the only site open. Unfortunately, I no longer remember what it was.
Could be that you're using an older version of the iPhone (I have 3Gs) and are running out of memory somehow?
I have the 3G version. It has 16 fucking GB of RAM, at least 12 of which is free. It's not running out of memory, and if it is, Apple's software is even *shittier* than I thought, so that's not really an excuse.
Anyway, I don't seem to be able to reproduce your problem, which doesn't mean it's not real. Might be a difference in hardware or configuration.
What possible difference in hardware or configuration possibly justifies this level of bugginess? There's only like, what, 4 different iPhone models? Is 4 models too much of a burden for Apple to QA?
Sorry, the worship Apple products get when they're just as buggy as everybody else's just bothers the hell out of me. (And don't get me started on iTunes... what a giant ball of shit.)
Still, if I don't have a problem, and you do, then it might be that tweaking something can solve it for you.
Like what? There's no goddamned settings on the thing to tweak. It's not like there's a slider saying "use this much memory" or something. And I don't think changing my ring tone is going to make it crash less.
I mean, hell, Safari on the iPhone already has caching turned off for all intents and purposes. Which was an awesome idea, BTW: "Hey remember that old browser feature called 'caching' for slow connections? Yah, let's not use that even though the iPhone connection is super-slow and it has 16 fucking GB of memory."
Maybe I *should* figure out how to jailbreak it, it couldn't possibly crash more.
I've got my iPhone 5 months now and haven't seen a crash of either the OS or Safari yet. What are you doing with it to make it crash?
Visiting Fark.com and using it normally. i.e. opening up a few links (opening in new windows) and then later closing them. Usually becomes completely instable with 3-4 separate browsers open.
Closing a popped-up page will crash the iPhone about a third of the time. Other times, it'll lock-up for up to 30 seconds and then successfully recover without crashing. (But when it locks-up you can't do anything else-- the main menu button stops working.)
The weird thing is that if I manually open up new browsers by using the "New Page" button, it seems to be rock-stable. But when you open a link with target=_blank, suddenly it's crashy-city.
What I've found until now, is that nearly all these reports of unreliable iPhones are from people who've jailbroken it and are running all kinds of dodgy stuff on it.
I haven't jailbroken crap. I wouldn't even know how to if I wanted.
Prove me you're the exception.
Try it yourself. Go to Fark.com. Hit a few links. Try to close some. See what happens.
I mean, it's conceivable that *only* my iPhone has the issue. I doubt it though.
Sure, Microsoft probably has a Flash-based player buried somewhere in the bowels of the company, but why wouldn't they just use YouTube?
Do Slashdotters just assume Microsoft is like, I dunno, some kind of fascist dictatorship all mind-controlled by a single person instead of 70,000+ individuals, all on individual teams, all with autonomy? Because the latter is a hell of a lot closer to the truth.
I can only imagine what kind of WTF image of the company you have that you'd think using YouTube is hilarious, or that it being a Microsoft official site matters. Is it hilarious that they use Akamai as a content delivery network, too? And it's especially hilarious that Akamai uses Linux servers! Har har har!
This one's made my the Zune team. My Zune's never crashed. Ever. In fact I don't think I've even rebooted it in over a year at this point... the screen got cracked so now it just permanently sits tethered to its USB cable. It still works fine, just hard to read the screen.
My iPhone crashes once or twice a day, for comparison's sake-- I count Safari crashing as the phone crashing, maybe unfair, but eh.
Well, it's good to know that even though it's all metric, the easily-standardize-able component still isn't standardized. We wouldn't want things getting too easy.
Uh, it's not in the article and it's not in the summary, and Hubble's flaw had nothing to do with imperial/metric. That was a reference to Mars Climate Orbiter.
So, in short, fail.
I love the use of passive voice, instead of saying "I'm the one idiot who thinks the Hubble has anything to do with this story" you can say "one might have to wonder."
When visiting other countries switching over to metric for time and distance takes all of a week to get into my head.
No countries use metric time.
Grocery store patrons would take all of a week to need to order 2kg instead of 1lb.
And get four times as much as they wanted?
While I get the point of your post, you're not really demonstrating a good fundamental knowledge of metric here. :)
I'd be fine if we picked one or the other and stuck with it. My biggest problems are the interactions between the two systems.
The other day, I couldn't get the damned oil pan drain plug out of my Chrysler car. Why? It's a Chrysler car, build in the Americas (well, Mexico, close enough), but the damned drain plug is a *metric* size. (Size 13... 13mm? I guess?)
I had to borrow a wrench for it... in a million years, I'd never guess Chrysler would use a metric size. (In retrospect, I'm guessing they standardized this so the vast number of oil changes places don't have to constantly change their tools.)
Who said anything about Hubble?
Do you remember that conversation we had a month or two ago where I challenged you on a statement you'd made regarding Open Office's capabilities?
No.
But they have solved it.
They haven't invented a time machine to solve the problem in an OS that came out years before the problem existed. Is that what you're complaining about? The lack of a time machine?
Huh? What are you talking about? Was that intended as a reply to some other post?
The point I was making is that, since Windows has supported these drives for 3 years now, and Linux doesn't yet have the same level of support, obviously open source development isn't as fast this thread claims.
What the hell does the usage of Windows XP have anything to do with that point?