I always thought it would be cool to record the stuff in the res of VideoCDs (rather low, but still okay quality) then if you want to keep it you burn it to a VideoCD, that way you can give it to friends and whatnot and they can watch it on their DVD players. Plus no lame copy protection. --
Okay, let me share my (usually unpopular) thoughts on this.
First: AOL Announces TOC
This could have never happened at all, without TOC, think of where we would be? The didn't HAVE to release TOC or make TiK, they could have just said screw you linux people. Now, they probably don't make alot of money with ads that run on the official AIM client, but they probably make some, so anybody using TOC isn't going to see the ads, so of course they're going to focus on OSCAR rather then TOC because anybody using a TOC client rather then the official AOL AIM client isn't seeing ads. Also, TOC doesn't provide all the features, again, that's to get people to use an AOL AIM client that shows ads.
To tell ya the truth, I don't even use any of the other features. If I want a chat room I got to IRC, if I want to transfer files I put them on my web server or email them. I use buddy icons, but that's just because they're there. I would say that most people that use AIM just use it to chat and TOC does this fine.
Second: AOL Blocks MSN and Odigo
You bring up a good point. If MSN or Odigo won the battle then the totally closed source protocol would have won and then where would we be? Probably back to reverse engineering protocols every time they change. And they would probably block clients as well as services. That's not much fun.
Third: AOL and Time/Warner Merge
All very good points that people don't know about.
Fourth: AOL Blocks Jabber (and Gaim)
Yes, AIM doesn't want any part of sharing networks, and I don't really see a problem with that. They still let open source clients onto AIM, and if OSCAR doesn't work they can always use TOC (just wondering, could jabber use TOC on the servers?)
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Yes, it's not the resources, in fact the way TOC works it seems like it would require more resources. The reason they block is to get you to switch to an AOL AIM client that shows ads because they ads make them some money.
I don't think TOC was ever suppose to be an alternative to OSCAR. I think it was made to allow basic chat features and that's all, I don't think it was ever planned to expand to all the features of OSCAR.
You make a great point, AOL doesn't block clients, but they sometimes get caught up in the crossfire. Basically, AOL isn't out to get GAIM, or Everybuddy, they just want to block Jabber and MSN from making the two services work together. Since there are clients that allow you to connect to many at once, I really don't see a problem with that. There's people that won't use AIM because it's owned by AOL, I'm sure the same goes for MSN and MS. That's why people choose Yahoo or whatever for their IM needs. If everybody shared and stuff then there would be people complaining about who controls it and what not.
I think the bottom line is, be glad we have what we have, they could have given us nothing. If you really think AOL and AIM sucks, why not switch to Jabber or something else... you don't HAVE to use AIM.
If you read what I said at first that's what I said. AIM doesn't happen to open anything. But they're nice enough to open TOC. If you don't like that OSCAR is closed, don't use it and be glad AOL at least gives you TOC, they could give you nothing.
No, the linux binary that can be found here. It shows ads, but it works. And the new TiK rocks, you still can't send files and stuff, but that's becuase of the TOC protocol.
are you on crack? Spamming is totally different. Spam is email that ends up in your email box without your permission. You don't HAVE to use AIM, you can use other IM services like MSN Messanger, Jabber, ICQ, or whatever.
I don't have a problem with you turning off ads. I'm sure AOL could make it much harder to do that. I'm not saying that it's different then running Gaim. But AOL, for whatever reason has TOC and OSCAR. TOC is open for anybody to use and OSCAR is AOL's own little protocal that they would like for themselves. I just don't like the "AOL is a bunch of bastards for not letting us use OSCAR". There's always TOC.
If they really wanted to Gaim could add features on top of TOC just like Everybuddy did. Everybuddy was using TOC then added file transfers with other Everybuddy clients. Sure, you couldn't transfer files with windows or mac clients, but it's a step in the right direction.
The difference is that I can get an opensource, free AIM client, and so can you, and we never give AOL any money. But if I send email to an AOL user then at least the person on AOL is paying them money. That's why it's different. The people using the email servers pay, but there can be many, many people that use AIM but never pay, and use it to talk to people that never pay.
TOC doesn't suck. It does everything normal AIM does. except it doesn't allow dirrect connecting so no file transfering or AIMTalk or whatever they call it, and no buddy icons.. oh what a tragity.
The longest I've seen TOC down was 4 hours.. and I've seen OSCAR outages down just as long.
Also, they do have an open standard. TOC. So it doesn't do everything OSCAR does, but isn't that the point? It is their service, it is there servers. They could just say fuck off and not use TOC at all and screw everybody out of AIM unless they use an AOL client, but they don't. --
I understand that, but what can you run on it? It's easy to install but somebody that can't install FreeBSD (I find that install to be quite easy) is probably not going to be able to install X from the source, same goes for alot of other programs.
Also, the default install doesn't have a root password, seems that security isn't the highest concern for this OS.
Without Aqua, Carbon and all that other stuff.. Why would you use this over say FreeBSD? Not like you can run OS X apps on it or anything.
Please explain to me why I would get this and what the benifit is of it?
Also, on the PPC side, does it support the G3 Firewire notebooks? And the airport cards? I got Yellow Dog, but I can't get the speakers to turn on.. I havn't hacked around with the Airport card much.>p? --
No, what I'm saying is that everything gets treated the same or different. So if you can trade stuff in real life, and you want to online then radio stations must pay based on the size of their audience.
But if you want to say internet radio should be treated differently then broadcast radio then online trading should be treated differently. --
The problem is this. Radio stations pay for rights to play music based on their market size. They also charge for advertising based on that. When they're just in one city the market is limited but now that they're on the internet they can almost get to the entire world. So they can charge more for advertising (I know most don't at this point, but they could if they wanted to).
The other nice thing about internet radio is that you could keep track of exactly how many people are listening and if you have a small form to fill out you could get some nice demographic information and then sell nice targeting advertising at very nice prices.
Now, with all this (potential) extra income, and the fact that the radio station pays the artist/record company based on the size of their listening audience. Doesn't this just make logical sense that they should pay more? (based on the exsisting way they pay)
And before you start saying "Well this is the internet, it's different". People that use Napster sometimes say say that you can trade music in real life, why should it be different over the internet... You can't have it both ways.
Wouldn't you need all new reciving equipment to get the extra channels/frequencies. And how would old radios/tvs react to the doubled up frequencies? --
RH7 has a "Workstation" preset in the install and that turns off most if not all remote services. The new beta of RH7.1 has a firewall option that you can set to high-medium-low (ala FreeBSD) --
So you can't save it..
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Stanford has the video online, in a format so proprietary and restricted that the current version of the player has no concept of "saving" a video download to your computer. There's some sort of lesson there, I think. But the video is good, well worth watching.
What's the big deal about not being able to save it? If ya can't save it that's a very effective form of copy protection. I can't seem to get my stupid windows box to view it:( oh well. --
What a harsh article. Let's see, I had cousin that died of cancer at 32, and my best friend's wife had breast cancer and had to have one of them removed. I think I'll start looking for a cure with my spare cycles.
Would help if I could connect to the freakin' UD server.:( --
As other people have pointed out in earlier OS X articles. OS X runs on a Mach microkernel (same as NeXTStep) with some BSD interpretation layer. So it's more like Next Step then they would want you to think. --
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I always thought it would be cool to record the stuff in the res of VideoCDs (rather low, but still okay quality) then if you want to keep it you burn it to a VideoCD, that way you can give it to friends and whatnot and they can watch it on their DVD players. Plus no lame copy protection.
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First: AOL Announces TOC
This could have never happened at all, without TOC, think of where we would be? The didn't HAVE to release TOC or make TiK, they could have just said screw you linux people. Now, they probably don't make alot of money with ads that run on the official AIM client, but they probably make some, so anybody using TOC isn't going to see the ads, so of course they're going to focus on OSCAR rather then TOC because anybody using a TOC client rather then the official AOL AIM client isn't seeing ads. Also, TOC doesn't provide all the features, again, that's to get people to use an AOL AIM client that shows ads.
To tell ya the truth, I don't even use any of the other features. If I want a chat room I got to IRC, if I want to transfer files I put them on my web server or email them. I use buddy icons, but that's just because they're there. I would say that most people that use AIM just use it to chat and TOC does this fine.
Second: AOL Blocks MSN and Odigo
You bring up a good point. If MSN or Odigo won the battle then the totally closed source protocol would have won and then where would we be? Probably back to reverse engineering protocols every time they change. And they would probably block clients as well as services. That's not much fun.
Third: AOL and Time/Warner Merge
All very good points that people don't know about.
Fourth: AOL Blocks Jabber (and Gaim) Yes, AIM doesn't want any part of sharing networks, and I don't really see a problem with that. They still let open source clients onto AIM, and if OSCAR doesn't work they can always use TOC (just wondering, could jabber use TOC on the servers?)
Finally:
Yes, it's not the resources, in fact the way TOC works it seems like it would require more resources. The reason they block is to get you to switch to an AOL AIM client that shows ads because they ads make them some money.
I don't think TOC was ever suppose to be an alternative to OSCAR. I think it was made to allow basic chat features and that's all, I don't think it was ever planned to expand to all the features of OSCAR.
You make a great point, AOL doesn't block clients, but they sometimes get caught up in the crossfire. Basically, AOL isn't out to get GAIM, or Everybuddy, they just want to block Jabber and MSN from making the two services work together. Since there are clients that allow you to connect to many at once, I really don't see a problem with that. There's people that won't use AIM because it's owned by AOL, I'm sure the same goes for MSN and MS. That's why people choose Yahoo or whatever for their IM needs. If everybody shared and stuff then there would be people complaining about who controls it and what not.
I think the bottom line is, be glad we have what we have, they could have given us nothing. If you really think AOL and AIM sucks, why not switch to Jabber or something else... you don't HAVE to use AIM.
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If they really wanted to Gaim could add features on top of TOC just like Everybuddy did. Everybuddy was using TOC then added file transfers with other Everybuddy clients. Sure, you couldn't transfer files with windows or mac clients, but it's a step in the right direction.
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If they shut off TOC then Unix people are not shut off. They can still use the Unix AIM client that AOL provides.
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The longest I've seen TOC down was 4 hours.. and I've seen OSCAR outages down just as long.
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Also, they do have an open standard. TOC. So it doesn't do everything OSCAR does, but isn't that the point? It is their service, it is there servers. They could just say fuck off and not use TOC at all and screw everybody out of AIM unless they use an AOL client, but they don't.
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Also, the default install doesn't have a root password, seems that security isn't the highest concern for this OS.
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Please explain to me why I would get this and what the benifit is of it?
Also, on the PPC side, does it support the G3 Firewire notebooks? And the airport cards? I got Yellow Dog, but I can't get the speakers to turn on.. I havn't hacked around with the Airport card much.>p?
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But if you want to say internet radio should be treated differently then broadcast radio then online trading should be treated differently.
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The other nice thing about internet radio is that you could keep track of exactly how many people are listening and if you have a small form to fill out you could get some nice demographic information and then sell nice targeting advertising at very nice prices.
Now, with all this (potential) extra income, and the fact that the radio station pays the artist/record company based on the size of their listening audience. Doesn't this just make logical sense that they should pay more? (based on the exsisting way they pay)
And before you start saying "Well this is the internet, it's different". People that use Napster sometimes say say that you can trade music in real life, why should it be different over the internet... You can't have it both ways.
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And like "NIC Card" = "Network Interface Card Card"
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So that you can play DVDs on your linux box for one.
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Wouldn't you need all new reciving equipment to get the extra channels/frequencies. And how would old radios/tvs react to the doubled up frequencies?
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RH7 has a "Workstation" preset in the install and that turns off most if not all remote services. The new beta of RH7.1 has a firewall option that you can set to high-medium-low (ala FreeBSD)
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What's the big deal about not being able to save it? If ya can't save it that's a very effective form of copy protection. I can't seem to get my stupid windows box to view it :( oh well.
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Perhaps you could read the FAQ and see that what you say is totally not the case.
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Would help if I could connect to the freakin' UD server. :(
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As other people have pointed out in earlier OS X articles. OS X runs on a Mach microkernel (same as NeXTStep) with some BSD interpretation layer. So it's more like Next Step then they would want you to think.
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