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A reader writes: "Every time BSD gets mentioned on Slashdot, the usual round of questions get asked. Most queries want to know what the differences in the BSDs are. For the April DaemonNews, James Howard has written the answer."
Similarly, RTMX is a set of extenstions to OpenBSD.
I believe you meant to write RTFM.
...neither do you ;)
It was recently discovered that research causes cancer in rats.
Now there is the Lites server for Mach that provides 4.3lite services but that's not mach. I'm not sure why there is always the rush to put mach based microkernel designs in to the BSD family tree, it's not that different than taking the NT posix API layer and trying to label NT as a brand or flavor of UNIX.
You have to love these two.
When I was using 386BSD in 91? (why not - I'd heard of BSD Unix, but not this Linux thing), Bill and Lynne would post to the 386bsd newsgroup.
If someone was criticizing 386BSD to strongly, or unfairly, or a response to something bordering on flame was needed, they would sometimes both have a response there.
Lynne was VERY straight-forward in her responses - along the lines of to hell with you, you stupid moron. (Not that she said things like that, but you always knew where you stood).
Bill was a little more verbose in subtle, in that when he got done insulting you and telling you to piss off, you may even think you have been complimented and should say thank you.
I really wish I still had some of the threads that illustrated this - it was a great fun to watch.
I used to hate comments like this. Recently I came to realize how much truth they contain. A friend of mine w/ a moderate understanding of *NIX asked me to help a (15 year old) friend of his install Linux. I agreed, and then found out that the purpose of this install was to make the kid's Half-Life server more stable. After about 10 minutes of 31337 questions, and asking why I went to a real university instead of a "computer college" where they "don't mess around with all that worthless history and stuff, they just teach you computers," I wanted to commit a murder-suicide. It's not often that you can feel your IQ leaking out your ear.
I wish there was a way to keep such people from using Linux (as bad as that sounds) because they make those of us who use it to do real work look like hax0rz and script-kiddies.
Just my $0.02 (and probably a match to start a flame war)
OK, maybe I've been misunderstood. I don't give a flying rat's ass how "cool" someone using Linux, or BSD, or windows is for that matter. I'm merely commenting that it is unfortunate that unlike the user base of windows, the user base of Linux tends to be judged based on the script-kiddies that use it.
Now, i've bitten a little too hard on this flame-bait, and I'm going to get on with my life.
See what I said in comment #11.
Okay, have to say it. My copy of OS X arrived right at the same time this went up (I got back from the door and decided to load up Slashdot while opening the box). So I will need to install it soon enough.
NeXT's product line was so confusing I didn't think I'd get it right either and it looks like I didn't. I was only hoping to get the point across and I think I succeeded in that.
They aren't. They are packages you install on top of FreeBSD.
SecureBSD and TrustedBSD are really just extensions to FreeBSD. Similarly, RTMX is a set of extenstions to OpenBSD. I didn't think it would be good to include them in this. Addtionally, with BSD/OS effectively merging with FreeBSD, I didn't include it either. However, it gives me an idea for a new article... :)
NeXTSTEP 0.8 Oct. 12 1988
NeXTSTEP 1.0 Sep. 18 1989
NeXTSTEP 2.0 Sep. 18 1990
NeXTSTEP 2.1 Mar. 25, 1991
NeXTSTEP 3.3 Feb. 1995
OpenStep 4 1996
Rhapsody DR1 Sep. 1997
Rhapsody DR2 May 1998
Darwin 0.1 Mar. 16, 1999
MacOS X Server 1.0 Mar. 16, 1999
MacOS X (DP1) May 10, 1999
Darwin 0.2 May 13, 1999
MacOS X Server 1.02 Jul. 22, 1999
Darwin 0.3 Aug. 16, 1999
MacOS X (DP2) Nov. 10, 1999
MacOS X Server 1.2 Jan. 14, 2000
MacOS X (DP3) Feb. 14, 2000
Darwin 1.0 Apr. 5, 2000
Darwin 1.1 May 15, 2000
MacOS X (DP4) May 15, 2000
MacOS X (beta) Sept. 13, 2000
MacOS X Server 1.2v3 Oct. 27, 2000
Darwin 1.21 Nov. 15, 2000
MacOS X 10.0 Mar. 24, 2001
I don't read ACs: If a post isn't worth so much as a nom de plume to its author then I wont bother either.
I don't read ACs: If a post isn't worth so much as a nom de plume to its author then I wont bother either.
I dunno about this -- the most computer illiterate people are Wintel's primary demographic. This is why Intel promotes the Pentium III to make your Internet faster (and gets away with it).
Apple's demographic tends to be holier-than-thou arty types and interface nuts. My experience is that Mac OS users tend to be very computer aware, if not literate, because since 1991 or so, you have to have really loved the Mac OS to put up with expensive hardware, corporate idiocy, and really, really poor (official) technical support.
"Beware by whom you are called sane."
Potato chips are a by-yourself food.
Some has done the same for Linux
OpenBSD also advanced the state of code auditing. Beginning in 1996, the OpenBSD team began a line-by-line analysis of the entire operating system searching for security holes and potential bugs. Unix systems have been plagued for decades by the use of fixed-sized buffers
'nuff said
Even thou PicoBSD is FreeBSD its now a form of distribtion. Even only on 1 floppy!
I have such a filter. It's called "reading at threshold 2". I can either be egalitarian and give everyone equal time, looking for all the gems of wisdom AC's and new people might post ... or I can enjoy reading slashdot.
Personally (as a FreeBSD freak) I think the guy is a pro-BSD troll just making the linux camp look bad (and of course BSD as well, er wait, it's all twisty now). Trollers troll, coders code. The latter are worth paying attention to.
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I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
you don't have the user # to back up your statement :P
agreed :)
Uhh... actually "Can Linux run on one of these" kind of went out of style two years ago. get with the times.
I have an idea for a poll. Let's put up the question of whether or not /. should have AC posts enabled.
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There's a bunch of guys really ruining
News for nerds are supposed to be just that, "news for nerds". Stories are supposed to ignite thoughtful discussions not flames or stupid AC posts.
"If a show of teeth is not enough, bite
Sure he does, I got this account ~sept '97
"Through simple one-line commands, entire applications are downloaded, integrity checked, built, and installed making system administration amazingly simple."
If you aren't a "I must compile all my apps" nazi:
apt-get install package
Otherwise:
apt-get build-dep package
apt-get --compile source package
dpkg -i package.deb
Please, can someone track this guy down and beat him senseless?
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
"Mass market" means that it's suitable for the teeming unwashed millions. Buy it preinstalled. Buy it shrinkwrapped and install it without breaking a sweat. Be able to configure it without being an amateur sysadmin. Be able to use it without knowing how it works.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
The problem with this is that it makes it look that FreeBSD isn't secure, or OpenBSD isn't portable, for example.
When in fact:
- all three are more secure (by default) than any Linux;
- OpenBSD runs on about 10 architectures;
- all three are usually faster and more efficient than Linux.
This is not a flame or religious argument. I use Linux on my main desktop machine. But the BSDs (which I use on a couple of servers, and am also trying on the desktop) "feel" faster.
The Tlog - a technology blog
Or one of these: #43, #81 or my very own intelligent post.
0x or or snor perron?!
"Also, new releases of an OS every couple of years is nothing like nightly builds"
Ok, I'll bite...
You're right, I mean, why would I want exploits fixed nightly, hardware updates nightly, etc. when I can wait a couple of years for them.
Of course service packs do come out more than once every couple years, but they are essentially patches to a nightly build.
Actually, I have copies of NeXTStep 3.3 for Black Hardware, Intel Hardware, Sparc, and PA-RISC, as well as OpenStep for all these platforms. (My '040 NeXT Cube runs OpenStep 4.2)
...si hoc legere nimium eruditionis habes...
B) See A). And make sure to hide your head up your ass until after Service Pack 3, then start talking about how Windows Trilennium is gonna fix all the problems with W2K. And, I just use "vi" everywhere, period, without checking to see if it's installed; but I'm still trying to figure out how a lack of alternatives is something for you to be proud about. Though, since every M$ user I know reverts to notepad for simple text, lists, notes, I suppose you must have a good reason to be afraid of alternatives.
C) Ooh, a factory. Gee, it must have been sealed with a kiss by a guy in a white lab coat. From your damaged brain, it's clear you were born and raised in a factory and fed on factory food. Oh, yeah, "make install", jackass. Have fun with those $95 support calls.
D) Yawn.
You bots are all the same, add a little Microsoft Advocacy and out comes the same old tired arguments. I couldn't have said it better myself.
The best argument against Microsoft's long term supremacy is history; not one single technology has been dominated by single players and proprietary mumbo-jumbo variant standards for longer than a few decades. An early lead ALWAYS turns the greed robots to vain attempts to stop the race and freeze time at moment they take the lead. Even with the state backing them up, they can't do it forever. Just look at what happened to telecommunications since the Ma Bell breakup; cellphones and pagers everywhere, an explosion of telecommunications services, the Internet... Back when you were born around 1980 there was a phone (gee, no one had to ask what kind of phone you had, how wonderful!) rented (ooh, a subscription model, how wonderful!) from the telephone company, period, and using any other kind could get you jail time. But that was better, right?
Microsoft has served their purpose, and now it's time for them to go to the elephants' graveyard to die. Ten years after they slip, the same dumbass commentators on financial news shows will be saying "It's amazing to think that anyone would run a company based on the idea that consumers would only want one choice of operating system. No wonder Microsoft stock has slipped so much. Their new CEO, Steve Jobs*, has got to turn them into a company focused on their customers and offer them the choices and services they need, or the next earnings report will be even worse."
* Sorry about then Jobs thing. Just couldn't resist trolling a little myself.
Boss of nothin. Big deal.
Son, go get daddy's hard plastic eyes.
Expanding a vast wasteland since 1996.
Slashdot is not as good as it used to be.
look at the date kid
Ok then.
In response to #4...
Slashdot ISN'T as good as it used to be (like back in '98, a 300 reply story was BIG)
=]
Ok, now we know what they all are .. what can they do?
.. then is there any real difference between GNU/Linux, BSD, and Solaris, if I compile GNU tools on all three?
Can I compile all my favourite GNU utils, and run my favourite webserver and scriptlanguage and so forth on any BSD?
If so
For example, I feel 'safer' working on my "GNU/Solaris" than on any Linux (especially RedHat) -- maybe it's just the hardware, or maybe it's the scalability (/dev etc.)
Are there (non-X) apps which will only work on one particular UNIX variant?
I disagree. He is not passing judgement on how cool these people are at all. I think he is merely trying to comment on how there are some "posers" out there who make the whole thing look bad. The media already thinks all Linux (*NIX) users are a bunch of hackers, and clueless little script kiddies like this don't help.
JOhn
Campaign for Liberty
Check out Nortons ghost... I've used at a several different jobs, and I must say it's quit easy and painless. I can't remember if it does multiple cd's, but I can't see your base install being over 700-800mb. And ghost does quit well and compressing everything. I think the highest I've seen was about a gig, and it took something like 17 minutes to "install" on a 16x or 24x cdrom.
a minor correction...
"NeXT eventually quit making hardware and implemented NeXTStep for other operating systems, changing the name to OpenStep. "
Actually, NeXTSTEP was the OS, as i recall, and its name was changed to OPENSTEP when it was ported to Intel hardware. NeXTStep was the set of frameworks for rapid app development, which was called OpenStep on OPENSTEP as well as on the other operating systems on which it ran, such as Solaris and Windows NT.
This is pure nitpicking, and I don't mean to detract from a really excellent article. But NeXT Inc's product line was always a bizarre confusion of different capitalizations; I may not have it quite right either.
-- "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin
I'm not sure why the original poster considers this a big deal
It matters only because the code in question used to be under the 4 criteria license. One of them was that you had to mention that you used BSD code in your advertising.
Now...when in Microsoft's history have you seen advertising that said "This product includes software developed by the University of Califorina, Berkeley and its contributors"
unlike many Linux coders, MS actually had the decency to leave the BSD copyright in the code they reused.
I've seen Linux code where they removed the BSD license and re-licensed it under the GPL. Bad, bad linux coders.
If it was said on slashdot, it MUST be true!
There are way too many BSD's.
As opposed to what, 180 seperate versions of Linux. And that is just the registered versions
How many are NOT in their database.....
If it was said on slashdot, it MUST be true!
> There are way too many BSD's.
No, not until everybody has his/hers very own BSD.
Or two of them.
> Are they better than Linux?
Yes!
A complete OS is always better than a lonely kernel.
> Why do I have to pay $50 to get a copy of "Free" BSD?
(Lame try for a word play.)
BTW $50 is still cheaper than Red Hat's $79 "Deluxe Workstation" or $179 "Professional Server".
> Why isn't it GNU/BSD?
Why isn't it GNU/Windows?
Why isn't it GNU/toilet paper?
Why isn't it GNU/orange juice?
I don't know it!
> Can I have a sandwich?
No, only a GNU/sandwich...
(But you have to share what you make with it with all of us.)
> I did my own history based on a slashdot post I made some time ago. It's at
> http://www.geocities.com/connorbd/bsd.html.
Some nitpicking to your story:
NetBSD is written with an uppercase first letter, like "FreeBSD" or "OpenBSD".
Why do you keep that strange spelling through your whole article?
Why?
He's such a poor soul:
No life, no friends, no future...
And he hasn't managed to get a Windows/Red Hat dual boot setup running on his Dell peecee.
Also from that post:
"Virtually all users of Linux (and all other
forms of Un*x) are unkempt, longhaired, beast-bearded dirty GNU hippies, and
I am sick and tired of having to deal with them."
(This was an april fool post by Linus or someone impersonating him, quite funny I must say compared to the slashdot stories of that date or the incredible boring trolls here.)
I have a feeling that #4 was moderately tongue-in-cheek. I could be wrong but that's the way I read it. Otherwise (s)he's a dork.
-rt-
-rt-
** Evil Canadians are taking over the world. Learn about the conspiracy
Didn't see it mentioned, but if the Jolitz's would have been more open about patches *AND* AT&T wouldn't have sued BSDI, there is a very good chance that Linux would have never taken off like it did...
The OPENSTEP OS was "offically" called:
OPENSTEP for Mach
You then had OPENSTEP for Solaris
OPENSTEP for NT for the other OSes.
-- Chris Martin, System Administrator
For an example, please refer to this post.
-gerbik
flamebait: food of the gods
will norton ghose work in freebsd, though.
you wanna know why we don't take YOU seriously? because your nick is l33t j03.
no mention of BSD relations SunOS, Solaris and AIX. IBM's AIX started out as a BSD and then they grafted System V on to it.SunOS was based on BSD. I think Solaris 1 was bsd based while Solaris 2 was based on UNIX System V(R4?). I wonder how many unixes don't use anything from bsd ?
Unless you want SMP or a piece of hardware that Free supports that Open doesn't.
Are you running Professional, Server, Advanced Server, DataCenter??
Did you upgrade from 98, ME, NT or is it a clean install?
Are you running FAT16, FAT32, NTFS (NT 4 version) or the new version of NTFS?
I bet you are glad you didn't have to answer the other questions though.
Since I'm already offtopic.
I'm a network administrator on an NT network. We have 95,98,ME,2000 pro,2000 server, linux, unixware, netware, etc. and you better be worried about dependencies file versions if you want to keep it running. I'm currently dealing with some semaphore timeouts thanks to a service pack update. I did an uninstall and it is still there and thanks to a backup tape screw up no reliable backups on 2 of the servers. Now I get to rebuild these servers but I know how to do it myself because I don't rely on the factory to do it for me. You assume they are alike but if you had to support them you would quickly realize they aren't and even service packs make a big difference. SP1 was a huge improvement for 2000.
I learned most of my testing techniques from an old manager of mine that was huge into AS/400 and went overboard on redundancies and testing every possible solution even if it seems a little out there. We tested and hammered R&D servers for months before they went into production. The benefit of this is that we only had to reboot those servers for service pack updates and they were rock solid. I realize that this isn't the norm for NT and it is the only way to keep NT from like most people complain about.
A) It takes a lot of work to make it secure because it isn't by default. Trust me, I've done it but it wasn't easy and takes a lot of time to keep on top of it.
B) 9x, NT, 2000 are just as different and from the same company. There used to be a time you could run Windows with IBM OS/2 or Microsoft. And yes I am a bot. beep, beep, whirp.
C) You obviously have run into the Office 97/2000 issues yet. Where so you think the term "DLL Hell" comes from?? You must not have much installed on this machine. You have other people install and troubleshoot for you. It seems that you are a bot too!
D) Are you sure that's what they installed at the factory?? I've worked with enough computers to know that default installs are rarely the same and a lot people where installing the old version for compatability and so they wouldn't have to get a lot of support calls.
I use Microsoft more than I use *nix but that is changing. I realize that they all have their strengths and weaknesses. You should use the right tool for the job. Anyone who only uses one thing and thinks what everyone else does about it is bot whether it is Linux or Microsoft.
the ever popular #8:
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8. Predictions of the typical
number 8 is actually becoming more popular (why am i telling you?) than 1-7. in fact, are you in violation of #4 and #7?
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." - Jack Nicholson
Can't somebody put a freakin' filter to block this idiot out?! This damn thing pops up every time BSD gets mentioned...
/Brian
Who is this shithead who keeps posting BSD-is-dead anyway? It's become rather pointless and tiresome.
ObKarmaWhoring: I did my own history based on a slashdot post I made some time ago. It's at http://www.geocities.com/connorbd/bsd.html. I fancy it's a bit more technical than this version (which I've added a link to), and perhaps a bit less dispassionate (it was a
/Brian
...let me be the first to ask: What about SecureBSD?
Green Monkey
Darn it, He was thurough. I wanted to be the zelot and piss and moan about how MacOS X / Darwin wasn't there, but sure enough, there it is mocking me from the bottom of the page. You like that don't you? You like laughing at me? Well, laugh at me now!!!
*Calls the exorsist and removes the daemon*
IIRC from Tannenbaum's OS book, the Mach kernel was created using 4.4BSD. The researchers creating the Mach kernel replaced parts of the BSD kernel with services using the Mach kernel, while Mach was still being developed. In the end, the BSD kernel was entirely gone. This allowed them to have a working operating system to test throughout the development of the Mach kernel.
Of course, they could have used some other kernel for this, but BSD is what they used. Or I could be completely wrong and badly in need of caffine. ; )
Two is not equal to three, not even for very large values of two.
Thats funny!
Can I have a piece of your GNU/sandwitch? I have some GNU/orange juice to share.
Two is not equal to three, not even for very large values of two.
Why do I have to pay $50 to get a copy of "Free" BSD?
Try going to linux central and picking up a CD for $2. Or just download the ISO and burn it.
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informative, yet...classy....
althou, if i have to read about Theo leaving NBSD one more time, I'm gonna puke...That's like that one friend you have who keeps showing you the picture of his trophy girlfriend and tells the story of how they met at each showing...
NO SPORK
Appended to the end of comments you post. 120 chars.
"If Linux were a beer, it would be shipped in open barrels so that anybody could piss in it before delivery"
:-) I gotta remember this analogy....priceless...
Yup...that about sums up the proccess of Linux
NO SPORK
Appended to the end of comments you post. 120 chars.
I have a feeling this article might begin a flame war however :-)
A journey of a thousand miles starts with a brutal anal raping at airport security
I have no clue where to even start or if this is possible? There must be some real gods here though that can explain how the installer works and how to make just one large package from a file system and have it install from a bootable CD.
Sorry, I know this is kinda off topic but I'm more than stuck with this, one week of FreeBSD experience is just not enough :-(
A journey of a thousand miles starts with a brutal anal raping at airport security
I found this while looking around on the net.
Wow a full Family Tree of UNIX this thing is huge
Which does not make it less[1] true...
[1] or more
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"Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a sick mind." (Terry Pratchett)
You haven't been faithful to Slashdot have you? Otherwise you'd have known this was the forty thousandth appearance of this troll. It's second in popularity only to goatsex.
No, your children are not the special ones. Nor are your pets.
How about a graphical history... and also include unix, linux, blah, blah, blah...
Does it go on forever?
I know this sounds stupid, but basically the differences between the 3 *BSDs are:
FreeBSD - simple installation
NetBSD - portable
OpenBSD - secure
That's pretty much what it comes down to, I take it?
Wow why did you pay $50 for a copy of FreeBSD, I just downloaded a cd image. Maybe you should try reading the documentation better, then you would know that it is Free.
nice article, glad to see a rehash of history for the new folks running in terror from the land of blue screens and aliases for real commands done in python http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/Unix_History/ http://perso.wanadoo.fr/levenez/unix/ http://www.unix-wizards.com/tree.html
Guttermouth is a really good band.
NeXTStep HW and OS until 3.3 (68040 hw)
OPENSTEP OS ran on NS (black hardware) Intel, SPARC (32), and HP OPENSTEP Framework ran on Windows (nt?) and Solaris (this was to be able to create apps that ran across platforms with just a recompile
Guttermouth is a really good band.
Interesting in the study of much BSDemonology, unlike Linukism, we find no root demon such as Vilhelm von Gatus, a caricatured figure "from Red Mound of the Northwest" embodying an all-encompassing, swallowing evil. Whether or not astute /. readers will be able to elaborate more on BSDemonology remains to be seen.
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Isn't that what the *BSD guys complain about linux? Too many versions, too many different types of packages etc. What exactly prevents me from starting a new freeBSD distribution? In fact, secureBSD and TrustedBSD seem to be "BSD distributions".
Magnus.You are an idiot and you just keep re-pasting the same lame troll post every time the three letters B,S, and D show up in a row. The BSD variants are developed by volunteers. How will BSD "die"? It's not like there is a payroll to support. BSD outperforms Linux while being more secure. That appeals to many people and companies. Your harp on about BSDI taking over distribution of FreeBSD. So what? How many Linux vendors have gone belly-up? Corel dropped Linux. Does that mean Linux sux and is doomed? Lots of Linux vendors are operating in the red. Is that a sign that Linux is on its way out? We've all seen your post here and in the 150 other places that it's appeared on Slashdot. Now go away until you have something new to say.
FreeBSD really rocks,
But only Intel / Alpha box.
The 'Net' one runs on so much more.
The 'Open' one is more secure.
Now I know my BSD's. Won't you come and play with me?
(written in years gone by, when I had a different ID)
Now here I am, coming back from the Chicago confrence just to find this absolutely beautiful article on BSD, and I think to myself, "Hey, the article seems to cover everything I've been whining about for all of slashdot-dom."
:P
And yet, I kept getting marked down by moderators with FreeBSD over OpenBSD and NetBSD preference, or just simply their own idea of what they think BSD is. Well, I've got one thing to say to you, "GO PORT SOMETHING UP YOUR..err ATARI!"
Ah, venting really does feel good. So, as I am forever destined to ask, "Who's up for volleyball!?"
.oO(I don't even play volleyball...I don't know why I ask that...I really don't)
Not certain how to moderate? This article is uninformative, ego boosting, flaming (and I don't mean Andy Dick) and possibly mildly amusing. I'd mark me a troll, but I'm so used that...really, check out my karma! However, in the future, you may want to consider how much you know versus how much I actually understand when you and your moderating companions logon and say, "Oh, I don't agree with that idea at all," because, and this may be just my opinion, but I think two and half decades of unix-based experience outways three and half years of "User Friendly", though, I do love it when Pitr's alpha-geek rival is on...DON'T TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED TO THE APPLE!
I read this thing three months at a time, and I'm going to find out next week...you people keep sending me previews...you know how mean that is?
Oh, and also, this post is incoherent and whines at probably the same eight people...
Further note to Anonymous Cowards who may make some unsupported whiney comment in reply to my post, or will just say something disgusting in vulger...:
"Yeah...it was the numbers that were irrational, not the murderous cult of vegetarians...." -- Hippasus of Metapontum
Rob and Jeff strongly believe in free speech and that everyone should be given their say, and I quite rightly agree, to an extent. Personally, I think only registered slashdot members should be allowed to post anonymously, and that secondly, there should be some criteria to allow the deletion of articles, specifically those that have hate speech and/or disgusting-unrelated information.* Yeah, you could argue based on what I said, "But, such-and-such shouldn't necessarily be deleted even though it could be considered hate speech," or something similar and I'd agree. However, you should know perfectly well I'm referring to "Kill the fucking niggers, the bastards are bringing us down"** kind of hate speech, not "Personally, I think all you Amiga users are just bunch of pathetic wussy faggots, if you bothered to openly and freely distribute your operating system, maybe there'd be more than 49 of you pussies."***
I've always believed a person should say what they want, but should also be held responsible for what they say. As for the member-only anonymity, that could simply be that the user-information and post number are kept in a seperate log-file, allowing the editors/meta-moderators to see which users most consistantly post less diplomatic articles, and I'm not just talking language, either...
This way anonymous cowards could even be mailed through an old fashion cgi mailing deamon, like the kind many other bboards that require membership use. Yes, this would require repliable email, but that can be kept in a seperat secure and encrypted log altogether.
Of course, no one's required to listen to the ramblings of an old man, but I think they should every once in awhile.****
*If your new to slashdot, or just allow this to be blacked out of your mind, I'm talking about all those disgusting posts of fetish-sexuality, such as fecal eating, and other, usually sex-related, actions.
**I don't possess any such views and sincerily apologize to anyone I've offended.
***Well, no offense to Amiga users, but such an opinion, if you got rid of the insults, would, in fact, have value, philosophical/theoretical, but still of some idea of value.
****I don't ask for much, just once every three posts will do, specifically, the ones that I'm really cooking on, and I don't mean by karma mark-down either.
*****It would be nice if there was an "insert footnote" button I could use here; in sgml, I can have these pop-up on hover, not that I'd recommend slashdot to go that extensive of an upgrade...just some nice PHP will do;-)
"Yeah...it was the numbers that were irrational, not the murderous cult of vegetarians...." -- Hippasus of Metapontum
A large part of the reason for that anonymity is to protect the coward from the people viewing the post, which, my idea, would do sufficiently...well, unless someone's going to hack into a linux box and...oh, heh, nothing to worry about, unless an editor gets paid off.
just can't stop laughin'...
hack into a linux box
I crack me up.
"Yeah...it was the numbers that were irrational, not the murderous cult of vegetarians...." -- Hippasus of Metapontum
It's Enoch Root!
:-P
It's always Enoch Root!
Note to Enoch Root: When you find this via a google search:
"Yeah...it was the numbers that were irrational, not the murderous cult of vegetarians...." -- Hippasus of Metapontum
Don't mind the moderators; they assume you read the articles and the posts, as slashdot regularly suggest.
It's free. Now go check out the article. See freebsd.org. Go get drunk.
"Yeah...it was the numbers that were irrational, not the murderous cult of vegetarians...." -- Hippasus of Metapontum
My kinda folks..... no joke; they even train their kids and dogs using UniiiXXX commands.
Rien n'est plus beau que le creux du 0.
I've been using freeBSD as a desktop OS for years in spite of the fact that everyone thinks (realizes) I'm crazy. All the apps that I do not use make a very short list compared to all the kiddy-media-kindergarden apps that I've never used in the Windows booTpoop part of my HD, somewhere so far away that even my boot manager forgot where it is.
Rien n'est plus beau que le creux du 0.
Do you seriously believe that Universities who are involved in research projects, often under-funded would even consider using Windows 2k to handle humongous amounts of data? Do you believe they have the $$$ to pay a resident Linux Geek to to keep everything working and up to date? (Debian excluded because of apt-get)?
Rien n'est plus beau que le creux du 0.
If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
You're full of shit.
If the fact an operating system can attract certain members that just aren't up to your definition of cool, it somehow invalidates *YOUR* and everyone elses legimate use of it? I don't think so! Sorry, but that's the most utterly superficial shit one can spout off here, and very tongue in cheek if ya want my opinion: "ooohh GNO the script kiddies are using my OS of choice!!!! must stop them somehow!!!! losing my own sense of eliteness!@!!!!"
See how assinine you sound? I thought so.
mwtr / THIS SIG HAS BEEN PRAYED OVER AND MAY BE USED AS A POINT OF CONTACT (ACTS 19:12)
As an windows user (at work at least) I object to the image all the clueless morons and dumbasses that use windows give those of us who know something about it. If the user base of Linux is judged based on script kiddies then the user base of windows (especially here on slashdot) is judged according to the lowest common denominator user.
"If Stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?" - Will Rogers
What? Obviously you got screwed on your "Free" BSD purchase.
Wait a minute...it's Linux, right?
Perhaps I should have added this.
=P
I have to say, you're talking crap. Firstly, can I just ask exactly where Theo stated there were 7,000 users of OpenBSD? I can believe that only 7,000 CDs have shipped, but I know of one site in the UK running 100 installations alone. I also know that on one co-location site there is around 400 installations of FreeBSD, and seeing as Yahoo, Hotmail, etc. all have a few hundred machines running FBSD, we're up to a thousand already. And you think there are only 36,400 FBSD users worldwide? Oh dear...
:-)
Secondly, FreeBSD never "went out of business" because it never was in business. Walnut Creek got bought up by BSDI for lots of other reasons, none of which to my knowledge were because they thought it was a good way to piss away money.
Redhat's marketing surveys may show BSD in decline, but I can't find any other mainstream that would suggest that is the case. It's growing. And quickly. The reason? Well, apart from having some tight code in there (even Linus admits the Linux kernel is only around now getting up to the performance of BSD), a cleaner and more secure base image and the fact that nearly every ISP in the world runs it (therefore admins are relatively cheap and knowledgeable), the community isn't full of morons who make up figures out of the air like you.
This line intentionally left here to annoy you.
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