I guess anything anyone does is okay as long as they take a dick up their ass, right? McCain was shown on video with a bunch of guys who were way to friendly with him for who he was, which leads one to assume that there was a sexual relationship involved somehow. But I guess that is lost on you, as your lib-dar is so finely attuned to offense you miss the fucking point every fucking time.
In case you missed it again this time, let me spell it out for you. You. Are. A. Fucking. Tool. And. An Idiot.
It's just enough to alert people to the fact that something is happening, allowing them to go dig up details themselves. Instead of biased crap like "We report, you decide" it's more like "we alert, you take a look for yourself and see what is actually going on".
The reason for your wariness is that the vast majority of other political parties advocate for something other than freedom.
When you have a political party that advocates something approaching pure freedom, then their political affiliation is no longer destructive. Freedom is good. Any thing which promotes freedom is a virtue, not a vice.
John McCain met with their leaders, played grab ass with them on camera, and for all we know, had gay sex with them in addition to providing them with MILLIONS in startup funds. Why isn't his ass hanging from the Brooklyn Bridge?
Oh, because he's connected and thus above the law. I almost forgot where I was.
No. You need to understand the difference between negative and positive rights. You have a right to travel. You don't have a right to someone else's vehicle. You should most certainly be able to walk across a border without needing a slip of paper from your government.
You are thinking in a very American centric way. For the third time this thread, much of Europe was composed of states the size of Vatican City. You could walk across three of them in a day. Think about the trade situation in an area like that.
But it was. Much of Europe was composed of states the size of Vatican City. You could walk across three of them in a day without trying too hard.
Also, note that having a passport to aid in travel is very much different from being REQUIRED to have a passport to cross a border. It's like being required to have a business license and a business bank account to have a garage sale. Sure, if you were having them every day, or scaling it up into a "real" business, those things might be a good idea, but requiring EVERYONE to have them is ridiculous.
Because there were times when people were less free, we can't ever argue that we should have freedoms that we once held in the past, like the UN-recognized human right to freedom of movement. Note that article 13 mentions nothing about passports, and the concept of a passport that you have to pay money for is, in fact, in direct violation of the same article, as it is a restriction on movement.
"Prior to the 1840's people didn't regularly cross borders"
Yes they did. Much of Europe was composed entirely of borders. Remember Italy was a mess of states until the 1870's, same as Germany.
"Passports were invented as a necessity to international travel opening up to the middle and lower classes."
But that's wrong. How could requiring a document (that the individual had to PAY FOR) to enter a country POSSIBLY be cheaper than crossing without it? That doesn't even make sense. Keep in mind that borders were completely porous, and only soldiers were blocked from crossing prior to this time.
"Because you cant imagine the chaos of hundreds of thousands of undocumented border crossings."
You're right, that's why the EU and US have descended into chaos. It's total anarchy, I tellz ya!
"I guarantee every solution you have to that is either going to be stupid, useless or a passport like system (or possibly all three at once)."
Well, considering that felons can get passports from the US, and God knows where else, a more modern solution would be to simply run criminal background checks on people applying for visas (ie those staying for an extended period). Much better to have a private system (which would necessarily transcend borders and *GASP* treat everyone fairly rather than giving Westerners a golden ticket while completely fucking over the huddled masses yearning to be free). No more of these "stateless" people getting stuck in airport terminals or refugee camps. Treat people like fucking people. What a concept.
There was a time when people didn't need passports to travel between nations. They were only introduced in the 1840's and only became popular after the American Civil War. Prior to that, human beings had the right to move between nations as they desired, with only the most autocratic (ie feudal, czarist Russia) demanding that their people remain tied to the land where they were born. And indeed, most people travelled between nations without need for one until WWI, when the need for "security" overwhelmed the difficulty of enforcement between nations that were at war, or were in danger of soon going to war.
But, of course, the world is no longer at war, is it?
The question shouldn't be "why should robots have passports?" it is "why should humans?"
You know, your use of words of dismissal are mind killers. You would do well to break that habit, and actually read a little into what other people say instead of deriding them.
This is why you can't hold a civil conversation with anyone who believes differently than you do. An educated man can entertain an idea without embracing it. At least that's what Aristotle thought. Perhaps you should endeavor to become educated yourself?
Right, so my explanation of what happened in what is, in nearly 100% of all cases, cited as the absolute worst case of abuse doesn't count, I have to explain EVERY SINGLE ONE. And you don't even bother to name a counterexample.
Sorry, there is no satisfying you. Please never get into a position where your words have arbitrary power over others, because you will hurt and kill them in your hurry to help, because you don't understand economics or the motivations behind human action.
What actually happens, taking that most evil of all corporations that has ever existed in the history of evil, Standard Oil, prices fall tenfold, quality dramatically improves, competitors who can't cut muster are bought out, leaving SO with 90% of market share (remembering that the other 10% is now populated with competitors strong enough, with a good enough product at a low enough price to continue existing), NOT 100%, and amazing innovations, like the concept of corporate R&D are created.
If you want to talk about current big bank problems, then you should take that as a criticism of the CURRENT SYSTEM, which is a mixed market slid almost all the way towards fascism. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with free market capitalism, which has been dead and buried since 1913, when free money, the basis of the free market, was usurped in the name of central bank control of the issuance of currency, a plank of the Communist Manifesto.
I had a similar experience with the same tech. More recently I downloaded Hound and asked it to fine me a cheap barbershop and sure enough, it directed me to one that was right at the intersection "the best" and "the cheapest". Whenever something goes wrong, I speak into my phone to learn more about the problem, and half the time find the answer IMMEDIATELY (saving hundreds of dollars in many cases--like car issues), and in the rest of the cases find the answer is there, but I just have to dig for a bit.
I can see a nearly immediate future where our assistants become so intelligent that they can talk us through things like automobile repairs, or fixing plumbing or even electrical issues in the house, and not too long after that, autonomous robots that just do those things for us.
Wonder what it will be like eating the first personal robot prepared meal made entirely out of personal robot grown vegetables, grains, and maybe even meat?
Somewhere along the line, things just start going right.
Like most of the people of my generation, I was born into religion (Christian-Southern Baptist, if you must know). However, with the vast sums of knowledge which became available with the information revolution, I quickly learned that the writings in the Bronze Age book were, well, just awful, and completely against the morality I had been raised with. Of course, my family, being Americans, never questioned the fact that our religion was completely at odds with the way we acted. Only in my later years have I come to understand that they didn't REALLY believe.
"Sounds more like a socialist paradise you are describing."
That's because you have thoroughly fallen under the spell of socialist propaganda. In a free market, prices fall, and quality of service rises. That's just the way it is, no matter how much you hate the fact that two people want to trade without consulting you to ensure that the trade is "fair". No, fact is that when humans are removed from the equation, market forces VERY QUICKLY work to push the cost of a given thing to ZERO. This is what has happened with the internet, where the vast majority of content is free, and you pay only a relatively small access fee for "last mile" routing--a fee that would quickly decrease were the market freer than it is, as we have seen in places like Europe, which have markets that are (surprisingly) freer than that of the US in telecom.
Probably sometime shortly after the cloud exceeded the computing power of a human brain (!!!).
The REAL future is here and it's absolutely amazing. What amazes me only slightly less is how everyone seems so blaze about it. I constantly feel like shouting from the rooftops every time something new and amazing happens.
I could see an autonomous pothole repair robot/vehicle being jacked in to this network, and BAM, a fully automated repair process without the need for human intervention. If the method of repair was good for the long term, it could be the first physical world example of a mechanized economy of plenty--making existing roads free.
Now we just need automated road builders, then we can just get rid of government altogether (FINALLY! Someone/thing to build the roads!).
I guess you just ignore the ones you don't like, like the part about how the laws of the Old Testament are still in force. You know, where (most) of the crazy shit is.
Not just that, but anyone who ever had access to those back doors would be able to use them (or sell access to them). Mighty tempting way to pay off those student loans.
Wow, these idiots actually think that they will be the only ones with access to these back doors? They'd be hacked in minutes, and every secret that every American company had would be in the hands of the Chinese, Russians, and independent hackers.
These idiot authoritarians need to be taught that their idiocy KILLS American business. But then, I guess they don't care. They think they can just print their way to prosperity.
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"It is pretty easy for people to unknowingly sabotage their own side, because they go too far."
:(
There is literally no such thing as "too far" when it comes to the freedom of the people. If you disagree, then you are a bad person. Sorry
I guess anything anyone does is okay as long as they take a dick up their ass, right? McCain was shown on video with a bunch of guys who were way to friendly with him for who he was, which leads one to assume that there was a sexual relationship involved somehow. But I guess that is lost on you, as your lib-dar is so finely attuned to offense you miss the fucking point every fucking time.
In case you missed it again this time, let me spell it out for you. You. Are. A. Fucking. Tool. And. An Idiot.
It's just enough to alert people to the fact that something is happening, allowing them to go dig up details themselves. Instead of biased crap like "We report, you decide" it's more like "we alert, you take a look for yourself and see what is actually going on".
The reason for your wariness is that the vast majority of other political parties advocate for something other than freedom.
When you have a political party that advocates something approaching pure freedom, then their political affiliation is no longer destructive. Freedom is good. Any thing which promotes freedom is a virtue, not a vice.
John McCain met with their leaders, played grab ass with them on camera, and for all we know, had gay sex with them in addition to providing them with MILLIONS in startup funds. Why isn't his ass hanging from the Brooklyn Bridge?
Oh, because he's connected and thus above the law. I almost forgot where I was.
No. You need to understand the difference between negative and positive rights. You have a right to travel. You don't have a right to someone else's vehicle. You should most certainly be able to walk across a border without needing a slip of paper from your government.
You are thinking in a very American centric way. For the third time this thread, much of Europe was composed of states the size of Vatican City. You could walk across three of them in a day. Think about the trade situation in an area like that.
But it was. Much of Europe was composed of states the size of Vatican City. You could walk across three of them in a day without trying too hard.
Also, note that having a passport to aid in travel is very much different from being REQUIRED to have a passport to cross a border. It's like being required to have a business license and a business bank account to have a garage sale. Sure, if you were having them every day, or scaling it up into a "real" business, those things might be a good idea, but requiring EVERYONE to have them is ridiculous.
Says the cited conditions never existed in the past.
References a time in the past where the cited conditions existed.
Statists, everyone! Give them a hand! They sure need it! And they're gonna take it from you even if you don't want to, by force!
Because there were times when people were less free, we can't ever argue that we should have freedoms that we once held in the past, like the UN-recognized human right to freedom of movement. Note that article 13 mentions nothing about passports, and the concept of a passport that you have to pay money for is, in fact, in direct violation of the same article, as it is a restriction on movement.
"Prior to the 1840's people didn't regularly cross borders"
Yes they did. Much of Europe was composed entirely of borders. Remember Italy was a mess of states until the 1870's, same as Germany.
"Passports were invented as a necessity to international travel opening up to the middle and lower classes."
But that's wrong. How could requiring a document (that the individual had to PAY FOR) to enter a country POSSIBLY be cheaper than crossing without it? That doesn't even make sense. Keep in mind that borders were completely porous, and only soldiers were blocked from crossing prior to this time.
"Because you cant imagine the chaos of hundreds of thousands of undocumented border crossings."
You're right, that's why the EU and US have descended into chaos. It's total anarchy, I tellz ya!
"I guarantee every solution you have to that is either going to be stupid, useless or a passport like system (or possibly all three at once)."
Well, considering that felons can get passports from the US, and God knows where else, a more modern solution would be to simply run criminal background checks on people applying for visas (ie those staying for an extended period). Much better to have a private system (which would necessarily transcend borders and *GASP* treat everyone fairly rather than giving Westerners a golden ticket while completely fucking over the huddled masses yearning to be free). No more of these "stateless" people getting stuck in airport terminals or refugee camps. Treat people like fucking people. What a concept.
"If you don't have an etymology to a phrase that stands on its own, you can't use it."
What?
There was a time when people didn't need passports to travel between nations. They were only introduced in the 1840's and only became popular after the American Civil War. Prior to that, human beings had the right to move between nations as they desired, with only the most autocratic (ie feudal, czarist Russia) demanding that their people remain tied to the land where they were born. And indeed, most people travelled between nations without need for one until WWI, when the need for "security" overwhelmed the difficulty of enforcement between nations that were at war, or were in danger of soon going to war.
But, of course, the world is no longer at war, is it?
The question shouldn't be "why should robots have passports?" it is "why should humans?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
You know, your use of words of dismissal are mind killers. You would do well to break that habit, and actually read a little into what other people say instead of deriding them.
This is why you can't hold a civil conversation with anyone who believes differently than you do. An educated man can entertain an idea without embracing it. At least that's what Aristotle thought. Perhaps you should endeavor to become educated yourself?
http://www.english-for-student...
Referring to those in charge who can't get rid of the dead weight in their company.
Right, so my explanation of what happened in what is, in nearly 100% of all cases, cited as the absolute worst case of abuse doesn't count, I have to explain EVERY SINGLE ONE. And you don't even bother to name a counterexample.
Sorry, there is no satisfying you. Please never get into a position where your words have arbitrary power over others, because you will hurt and kill them in your hurry to help, because you don't understand economics or the motivations behind human action.
"create enforced monopolies"
No.
What actually happens, taking that most evil of all corporations that has ever existed in the history of evil, Standard Oil, prices fall tenfold, quality dramatically improves, competitors who can't cut muster are bought out, leaving SO with 90% of market share (remembering that the other 10% is now populated with competitors strong enough, with a good enough product at a low enough price to continue existing), NOT 100%, and amazing innovations, like the concept of corporate R&D are created.
If you want to talk about current big bank problems, then you should take that as a criticism of the CURRENT SYSTEM, which is a mixed market slid almost all the way towards fascism. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with free market capitalism, which has been dead and buried since 1913, when free money, the basis of the free market, was usurped in the name of central bank control of the issuance of currency, a plank of the Communist Manifesto.
I had a similar experience with the same tech. More recently I downloaded Hound and asked it to fine me a cheap barbershop and sure enough, it directed me to one that was right at the intersection "the best" and "the cheapest". Whenever something goes wrong, I speak into my phone to learn more about the problem, and half the time find the answer IMMEDIATELY (saving hundreds of dollars in many cases--like car issues), and in the rest of the cases find the answer is there, but I just have to dig for a bit.
I can see a nearly immediate future where our assistants become so intelligent that they can talk us through things like automobile repairs, or fixing plumbing or even electrical issues in the house, and not too long after that, autonomous robots that just do those things for us.
Wonder what it will be like eating the first personal robot prepared meal made entirely out of personal robot grown vegetables, grains, and maybe even meat?
Somewhere along the line, things just start going right.
Like most of the people of my generation, I was born into religion (Christian-Southern Baptist, if you must know). However, with the vast sums of knowledge which became available with the information revolution, I quickly learned that the writings in the Bronze Age book were, well, just awful, and completely against the morality I had been raised with. Of course, my family, being Americans, never questioned the fact that our religion was completely at odds with the way we acted. Only in my later years have I come to understand that they didn't REALLY believe.
"Sounds more like a socialist paradise you are describing."
That's because you have thoroughly fallen under the spell of socialist propaganda. In a free market, prices fall, and quality of service rises. That's just the way it is, no matter how much you hate the fact that two people want to trade without consulting you to ensure that the trade is "fair". No, fact is that when humans are removed from the equation, market forces VERY QUICKLY work to push the cost of a given thing to ZERO. This is what has happened with the internet, where the vast majority of content is free, and you pay only a relatively small access fee for "last mile" routing--a fee that would quickly decrease were the market freer than it is, as we have seen in places like Europe, which have markets that are (surprisingly) freer than that of the US in telecom.
Probably sometime shortly after the cloud exceeded the computing power of a human brain (!!!).
The REAL future is here and it's absolutely amazing. What amazes me only slightly less is how everyone seems so blaze about it. I constantly feel like shouting from the rooftops every time something new and amazing happens.
I could see an autonomous pothole repair robot/vehicle being jacked in to this network, and BAM, a fully automated repair process without the need for human intervention. If the method of repair was good for the long term, it could be the first physical world example of a mechanized economy of plenty--making existing roads free.
Now we just need automated road builders, then we can just get rid of government altogether (FINALLY! Someone/thing to build the roads!).
I guess you just ignore the ones you don't like, like the part about how the laws of the Old Testament are still in force. You know, where (most) of the crazy shit is.
Not just that, but anyone who ever had access to those back doors would be able to use them (or sell access to them). Mighty tempting way to pay off those student loans.
Wow, these idiots actually think that they will be the only ones with access to these back doors? They'd be hacked in minutes, and every secret that every American company had would be in the hands of the Chinese, Russians, and independent hackers.
These idiot authoritarians need to be taught that their idiocy KILLS American business. But then, I guess they don't care. They think they can just print their way to prosperity.