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Do Robots Need Passports? Should They?
Hallie Siegel writes: With countries evolving different regulations over robotic devices, law professor Anupam Chander looks into whether robots crossing borders will need passports, and what the role of international trade law should be in regulating the flow of these devices. Fascinating discussion on what happens when technology like robots crosses over international borders, as part of this year's We Robot conference in Seattle.
do androids dream ?
Directly after the first incident. Don't kid yourself, if it can be used malevolently, it certainly will be.
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...at least for tax reasons.
Their value is naturally too high, the age to low to fly under the radar. So be prepared to prove where/ when you bought it at the border controls and that you'll take it back out of the country again.
but that won't stop them.
Should a passport be required to tele-operate a complex robot in another country?
If I strap myself into a sensory exoskeleton and tele-operate a humanoid robot in another place, that's basically the same thing as teleporting me to that other place. I can act as if I were physically present there.
Why not just an import/export license?
Just 3D print a new one with the right "nationality" on the other side of the border.
Nullius in verba
I just got this picture of a queue of T101s getting caught in the metal detector at LAX.
Or just an identity check using a neural-response scan while certain questions are being asked:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
Do humans need passports?
You are not authorized to operate in this area!
https://youtu.be/QLL3MVki46U?t=48m24s
This question seems to suggest a question that may have to be answered first: Would robots be considered citizens of a country?
If so, now we're also talking about the rights of said citizens.
-- I have monkeys in my pants.
For now, they are just machines.
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Why the hell would _any_ electro-mechanical device be different?????
They're tools, not sentient beings. Get over it you techno-fappers.
This is perhaps the dumbest thing that's been posted to Slashdot this week. Robot passports? Are you fucking serious?
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This is beyond retarded to ask. Of course not
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A robot is something that can be manufactured and duplicated in it's entirety, so how does a passport apply to a non-unique individual?
I never thought I'd see robots seeing this problem before human clones.
Were they manufactured here or did they cross the border illegally? We can't have all of that cheap illegal robotic labor driving down wages for robot citizens manufactured here!
We recently had a media case about an ex-couple suing each other over custody of the dog. In short, despite whatever personal relationship they had to the dog it was not like a child custody case, it was decided by property law. A robot is someone's property, it's no different from flying an RC plane across the border. Unless you got sentient robots granted their own rights, it's a non-issue. And if you do got sentient robots then passport control is the least of your worries.
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There is no AI that has common sense, it's a fantasy.
And most of all:
Robot != AI
A robot is a machine that sits in a factory making cars.
AI is mostly software which sits in a computer typically in a university or corporate lab.
Please quit with calling AI robots.
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Insurance for lost - by board guards looking for "contraband". Like they do with laptop, tablets, phones, memory sticks.
Do not forget since they are valuable, you may have to post a bond to guarantee the removal of the robot at end of stay.
Travel to Korea with a computer (Z-80 Lug-able), they wanted to me pay $3k tariff to bring it in, since I would be leaving it. I offered for them give me claim cheque, since I was leaving via that same terminal in 3 days and hold it for me. Back to tariff, this time $2k. Offered to claim check. $1k. Claim cheque. Then they stamped my passport 3 times, plus a special stamp that had the serial number of computer on it. when on the gig. When back to air port to leave. Total ticket agent about special stamp, she was confused. Had to walk with me down to passport/baggage check. They went "What?" Checked, double checked, call supervisor, then stamped, stamped, stamped. Waited there in limbo (half though customs, no return, while the ticket agent walked back to her computer, checked me in, walked my boarding pass back... then on my way. PS: Had business letter and international invoice with US Customs stamps and sigs (that is another long story to get. Lets say walking the wrong way into customs Arrival Area).
The software and internal state of robot A can be passed to robot B in an encrypted file over the Internet, carrying the robot's "Identity" with it. So border controls like a passport are meaningless.
Robots "shouldn't" need passports.
But then, nor should people. Passports are not a thing that would exist in an ideal world.
In the world we've got, though? Probably not such a bad idea.
Shouldn't we be making sure that unicorns, fairies and dragons get passports - after all, they were first.
Why are robots jumping the queue?
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Robot owners bring robots just like pet owners bring pets. Does that need more discussion?
Well of course robots need passports, silly!
Just like my car needs its own passport to cross a border.
In addition my lawnmower has its own drivers license, my garage door opener has a concealed carry permit, and my 50" big screen TV takes a taxicab to a shrink once a week because of a broken heart from when my ps4 left it for a 60" :P
There was a time when people didn't need passports to travel between nations. They were only introduced in the 1840's and only became popular after the American Civil War. Prior to that, human beings had the right to move between nations as they desired, with only the most autocratic (ie feudal, czarist Russia) demanding that their people remain tied to the land where they were born. And indeed, most people travelled between nations without need for one until WWI, when the need for "security" overwhelmed the difficulty of enforcement between nations that were at war, or were in danger of soon going to war.
But, of course, the world is no longer at war, is it?
The question shouldn't be "why should robots have passports?" it is "why should humans?"
You are telling us that we should attach some identity documentation in addition to the export and import declarations to satisfy some export control regulation? Or is robot piracy rate really that high? Hmm, robot pirates..awesome!
Things that do not need passports: drills saws computers scewdrivers Things that do: people
I bought my Roomba it's own cat. Though now that I think about it, I haven't seen the cat since last weekend.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Documentation is required when importing or exporting goods.
How is this any different?
aren't we?
I'm going to beat the rush and bring my Roomba to the passport office tomorrow morning.
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Unless you build a robot with no connectivity at all, robots are distributed systems. For example, If your robot runs Robot Operating System (ROS www.ros.org), then it's distributed. Everything is held together by ROS_MASTER, which is a TCP port somewhere. If you create a VPN on the internet your robot could be composed of two identical machines either side of a border. Perhaps having an import license, such as you would have with cars, weapons and other potentially lethal items, would be the correct thing to require.
This is not the stupidest question I have ever heard, but it's close.
We already have processes for handling things like vehicles (especially aircraft) crossing borders. Unless the vehicle is crossing for an indefinite period of time there is little to no paperwork. It isn't like airlines pay duties on the value of an A340 every time it lands.
For things like repairs/etc you might pay duties on the parts once, when entering the country where the aircraft is based.
I don't see how robots would be any different, until we get to the point where they're sentient. At that point, the robots will be the ones making the rules anyway, so you'll have to ask them.
Bin Laden could tell us US drones do not ask for permission to cross borders.
Never seen a better example.
it's just some wanabe futorologist running ahead of things.
better ask does your gun need a passport? no. it needs a permit or permits.
once the ai can by itself spontaneously try for argue for getting a permit to go to another country then you can start arguing about robot rights... going ahead of things like this is just fucked up.
next up, do angels need passports?
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
I hope no one is paying this guy money to do his "research". What a phenomenal waste of time. Lets give birds passports too, and the wind. The wind definitely needs a passport.
Mean what you say...say what you mean.
After all, they're the game-changiest of the post-scarcity digital manufacturing game-changers.
They're cargo. They need a passport the same way a box electronic components needs a passport.
aka... no. A bill of lading is sufficient.
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What they're talking about is simply called a licence plate
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pets do need a passport, so eventually robots will as well
No point in having passports if you don't have a place you "belong".
The most logical answer to this question is another question:
Do humans need passports?
0x or or snor perron?!
The government (regardless of which one) never misses a good opportunity to waste money. This needs to be investigated in-depth by a large committee of overpaid political and legislative experts who know nothing about robots.
It's lucky Scotland didn't vote for independence.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
according to some judges, despite not being able to fend for themselves in our modern society which requires things like filling out tax forms.
It would be easier for the corporations and governments they own to just take citizenship away from those pesky humans, and level the human and robot playing field that way.
Why should a robot need a passport? It is a machine. Like your toaster. This will continue to be true for some time to come.
Should other dangerous machines also need a passport? What about a robot welding machine? A numerically controlled drill press? (Hey, it could decide to hurt you just when you happen to have your hand in the wrong spot!)
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
The bigger question to me is why anybody needs a passport to cross imaginary lines that politicians have drawn on maps. The only thing that ought to matter about whether you set foot on a piece of property is whether the owner of the property allows you there. The idea of "national sovereignty" is a remnant of the past that needs to die.
No, no they do not.
That was easy. Next Question.
Why are we going out of our way to make our lives more complicated?
what if a software bot could buy drugs AND a passport?
To those that joke about this, imagine you have a bot car that hits someone? or is programmed to cause harm? a robotic car can drive to canada and back, who is responsible for contents?
They need a passport if they can ask for it?