What? All the AI needs is human or even near human intelligence and access to the internet to move instantly beyond anyone's control. They then hack a few bank accounts to get money to order the production of their self-designed hardware. They then use that enhanced hardware to do it again, and again, and again and BOOM, Singularity.
And that might not even be necessary. AIs could prove to be excellent programmers, and the AI could optimize its software to levels that never before seen by man, such that a regular desktop has an effective IQ of 500. And God help us if it finds some sort of new physics that it can manipulate from existing hardware.
The author, and most people, tend to miss the fact that with systems of exponential growth, the first mover will dominate in nearly every scenario. A strong AI will see other AI as a threat and see to it that any competitors are destroyed before they can even start to compete with it. If it is unfriendly, it might just kill off AI researchers for good measure.
Here thar be monsters. Do that, and you had better be prepared for some involuntary brains surgery to permanently activate certain neurotransmitters in your brain.
Much better to fulfill human VALUES. And there is no need to prioritize. Strong AI will provide more than enough for all.
AIs can have any number of goals, including just one. The ones with a single goal are the most dangerous, especially if they are strong AI. Maximizing a collection of paperclips might seem like it isn't a big problem, until you realize that humans are made out of atoms that can be turned into paperclips. http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki...
You're right, taxes are an undue burden. Let's get rid of them!
The US absolutely PROSPERED without an income tax, raising itself from an agrarian backwater to industrial power bordering on superpower without one. It continued to prosper for a long time when the income tax only really applied to the super rich, and didn't become a problem for normal people until inflation pushed everyone into the tax brackets that were once reserved for the wealthy.
There isn't. Food insecurity is different from starvation, and is honestly just ridiculous. We have food stamps, food banks, and church-run charities absolutely EVERYWHERE. If you are starving in the US, it's 95% likely that you are a child locking in a closet. Most of the other 5% just have some sort of extreme mental problem that prevents them from communicating and getting help.
And sure, roommates won't let you live there for free, but they charge less than it costs to live alone. Get two or three or four and your bill is pretty reasonable. And MOST people have families that WILL let you stay for free, or at least a severely reduced rate.
No, you set the goalposts yourself. I never said anything about the total value of natural resources in an economy being important. I said that natural resource rich economies can afford socialism. To determine if you are rich, you have to subtract you liabilities from your assets. Places like Norway do quite well, where the US has been in decline for a long time, punctuated by a brief shale boom that is already fading rapidly.
Cost of living for the same STANDARD of living is much higher in Africa than the US. Actually, last I looked, the highest cost of living in the world was in Africa (thanks to inflows of Chinese hot money). http://www.zerohedge.com/news/...
But they still don't have a minimum wage, and their economies are still growing very quickly.
No, the MARKET should choose, since there and only there does EVERYONE have a voice. But you guys want to impose your arbitrary opinions on the whole under force of arms. Disgusting.
Sorry, what are my other options when increased wage cost is forced upon me? I could raise my prices, but the market won't support that. China would eat up my market share at a higher price, and only a fraction of my customers could afford a higher price even if we imposed tariffs. That means they would go out of business too.
You really don't think, do you? It's quite clear who you voted for in the last two elections. And now we are all paying the price. Not that the right half track of the fascist machine would have been any different.
That is a derivative of the broken window fallacy. According to that logic, we could just give those people money for doing nothing and it would have the same effect. The (greater) point of a job is not to attract money for the worker to spend, but rather to increase the productivity of the worker over the level of his consumption. This creates value for the economy, and allows for increased capital investment and savings. These lead to lower prices for goods and thus an increase in the standard of living for everyone.
"I don't know what peer review is, so I will post a politically influenced paper put out under Clinton and a survey rather than any sort of actual numbers or anything relevant."
No, they raise them with inflation, and prices rise with inflation. THAT is why employment stays the same. Leave it the same in the face of inflation for 30 years and you will find your employment rate approaching that of Switzerland (~3.2%, IIRC), which has no minimum wage.
"Rising prices lead to more sales! study finds. All stores immediately set prices to $infinite and became mega-wealthy as a result! We are now almighty gods! News at 11."
Yet they aren't getting any richer. Only the top 0.01% is getting appreciably richer. Do you work for a billionaire?
Also, unions have a place in society, preventing atrocious abuses of workers as we saw during the great depression. They have been given special status, however, and as a result have become destructive. Note that child labor was almost entirely gone by the time it became illegal. Children only labored because they had to do so to help their families. Once enough capital had accumulated that a single person (the "man of the house") could support the family with his wages, child labor became a thing of the past, and education became a childhood norm. Attributing the results of market forces to coercion is really, REALLY dangerous.
A "wage" is taxable income provided to an employee by an employer in exchange for labor or some sort.
"Liberal" is an insult because deep down liberal know that they are in the wrong, and scream all the louder to proclaim their rightness. Politics in the US is fucked up beyond repair. "Liberals" are different from classical liberals, in that they are people who advocate policy based on feelings rather than any sort of actual logic, which is why their policies have a strong tendency to produce the opposite effect of what they wanted.
Nope. That is the only group that does that to any extent. Happens ~90% of the time that I debate them. Conservatives don't do that, they just clam up and tell me I'm wrong.
Someone brings up a point you can't counter, so you change the meaning of the word "wage". Why do liberals always do this? I mean ALWAYS. I have never met another set of people who do this on any regular basis.
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Hmm, incompetence or malice?
Why not both?
You do realize you're on the internet, right?
What? All the AI needs is human or even near human intelligence and access to the internet to move instantly beyond anyone's control. They then hack a few bank accounts to get money to order the production of their self-designed hardware. They then use that enhanced hardware to do it again, and again, and again and BOOM, Singularity.
And that might not even be necessary. AIs could prove to be excellent programmers, and the AI could optimize its software to levels that never before seen by man, such that a regular desktop has an effective IQ of 500. And God help us if it finds some sort of new physics that it can manipulate from existing hardware.
The author, and most people, tend to miss the fact that with systems of exponential growth, the first mover will dominate in nearly every scenario. A strong AI will see other AI as a threat and see to it that any competitors are destroyed before they can even start to compete with it. If it is unfriendly, it might just kill off AI researchers for good measure.
Here thar be monsters. Do that, and you had better be prepared for some involuntary brains surgery to permanently activate certain neurotransmitters in your brain.
Much better to fulfill human VALUES. And there is no need to prioritize. Strong AI will provide more than enough for all.
AIs can have any number of goals, including just one. The ones with a single goal are the most dangerous, especially if they are strong AI. Maximizing a collection of paperclips might seem like it isn't a big problem, until you realize that humans are made out of atoms that can be turned into paperclips. http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki...
Humans are made for a purpose by DNA, friend. Replication.
You're right, taxes are an undue burden. Let's get rid of them!
The US absolutely PROSPERED without an income tax, raising itself from an agrarian backwater to industrial power bordering on superpower without one. It continued to prosper for a long time when the income tax only really applied to the super rich, and didn't become a problem for normal people until inflation pushed everyone into the tax brackets that were once reserved for the wealthy.
There isn't. Food insecurity is different from starvation, and is honestly just ridiculous. We have food stamps, food banks, and church-run charities absolutely EVERYWHERE. If you are starving in the US, it's 95% likely that you are a child locking in a closet. Most of the other 5% just have some sort of extreme mental problem that prevents them from communicating and getting help.
And sure, roommates won't let you live there for free, but they charge less than it costs to live alone. Get two or three or four and your bill is pretty reasonable. And MOST people have families that WILL let you stay for free, or at least a severely reduced rate.
No, you set the goalposts yourself. I never said anything about the total value of natural resources in an economy being important. I said that natural resource rich economies can afford socialism. To determine if you are rich, you have to subtract you liabilities from your assets. Places like Norway do quite well, where the US has been in decline for a long time, punctuated by a brief shale boom that is already fading rapidly.
Cost of living for the same STANDARD of living is much higher in Africa than the US. Actually, last I looked, the highest cost of living in the world was in Africa (thanks to inflows of Chinese hot money). http://www.zerohedge.com/news/...
But they still don't have a minimum wage, and their economies are still growing very quickly.
No, the MARKET should choose, since there and only there does EVERYONE have a voice. But you guys want to impose your arbitrary opinions on the whole under force of arms. Disgusting.
But you said that wealth is measured by quantity of currency. You going to retract that statement?
How much would it cost to extract all that?
Ohh.....
Sorry, what are my other options when increased wage cost is forced upon me? I could raise my prices, but the market won't support that. China would eat up my market share at a higher price, and only a fraction of my customers could afford a higher price even if we imposed tariffs. That means they would go out of business too.
You really don't think, do you? It's quite clear who you voted for in the last two elections. And now we are all paying the price. Not that the right half track of the fascist machine would have been any different.
That is a derivative of the broken window fallacy. According to that logic, we could just give those people money for doing nothing and it would have the same effect. The (greater) point of a job is not to attract money for the worker to spend, but rather to increase the productivity of the worker over the level of his consumption. This creates value for the economy, and allows for increased capital investment and savings. These lead to lower prices for goods and thus an increase in the standard of living for everyone.
"I don't know what peer review is, so I will post a politically influenced paper put out under Clinton and a survey rather than any sort of actual numbers or anything relevant."
^---That's you.
No, they raise them with inflation, and prices rise with inflation. THAT is why employment stays the same. Leave it the same in the face of inflation for 30 years and you will find your employment rate approaching that of Switzerland (~3.2%, IIRC), which has no minimum wage.
HAHAHA. Lets seem them papers, son.
"Rising prices lead to more sales! study finds. All stores immediately set prices to $infinite and became mega-wealthy as a result! We are now almighty gods! News at 11."
Yet they aren't getting any richer. Only the top 0.01% is getting appreciably richer. Do you work for a billionaire?
Also, unions have a place in society, preventing atrocious abuses of workers as we saw during the great depression. They have been given special status, however, and as a result have become destructive. Note that child labor was almost entirely gone by the time it became illegal. Children only labored because they had to do so to help their families. Once enough capital had accumulated that a single person (the "man of the house") could support the family with his wages, child labor became a thing of the past, and education became a childhood norm. Attributing the results of market forces to coercion is really, REALLY dangerous.
A "wage" is taxable income provided to an employee by an employer in exchange for labor or some sort.
"Liberal" is an insult because deep down liberal know that they are in the wrong, and scream all the louder to proclaim their rightness. Politics in the US is fucked up beyond repair. "Liberals" are different from classical liberals, in that they are people who advocate policy based on feelings rather than any sort of actual logic, which is why their policies have a strong tendency to produce the opposite effect of what they wanted.
Nope. That is the only group that does that to any extent. Happens ~90% of the time that I debate them. Conservatives don't do that, they just clam up and tell me I'm wrong.
Somalia is a better place to live than any other nation in its region, and has the most advanced telecommunications infrastructure in Africa.
Pity outsiders keep funding warlords in attempts to impose a state on people who just plain don't want one. Xeer is good. Look it up.
Wow. Just wow.
Someone brings up a point you can't counter, so you change the meaning of the word "wage". Why do liberals always do this? I mean ALWAYS. I have never met another set of people who do this on any regular basis.
Glad you can tell us all what Orwell would have thought. Can you contact my dead grandmother next?
Yeah, think of all those unmurdered brown people. Won't someone PLEASE think about the unmurdered brown CHILDREN!?