There are a great many varieties of Christianity, and I've yet to read of one that has anything even close to your formulation.
It is possible that stating "turned over to Statan" is over stating the case, but in the garden story, Adam and Eve are given free will making it their world where their will has sway versus God's. They then choose the opposite of what God wanted.
Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth," for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
There would be no reason for a new heaven and a new earth if the current one is God's. If this was God's world, there would be no reason for redemption.
If you think that a morally superior deity is actually in control of things then it makes perfect sense. Some suffering can be attributed to human free will but quite a lot can't.
Christianity (which may fall into your category of [t]hose tend to be ancient and out of favor.) doesn't assume that a morally superior deity is actually in control of things. Christians believe that a morally superior deity gave this world to man, and man gave it to Satan.
My grandparents are reaching a period in their lives when things are becoming very difficult.
This.
My grandparents made it abundantly clear when I was growing up that they only wanted to live as long as they were not a burden on anyone else. My grandmother lived to be 91, and the last two years she was living her worse nightmare. She would have been much happier if we had given her a big 90th birthday party with a permanent sleeping potion after the last guest has left.
I'm friends with an 88 year old that was an absolute mental giant in his time. He is now reduced to mumbling to himself with most coherent conversations starting with "Is there a man with a knife behind you?" He has both auditory and visual hallucinations and is draining his savings at the rate of over $2K a month.
A kind and just society would allow for people to create a path to avoid such a fate.
In terms of evangelical conservative views, of course they make terrible wives and mothers,...
I admit that I only know 4 evangelical conservative Christian families (which is probably dwarfed by the extensive studies that you've done); however, the women in the family tend to be well educated.
Family A: Mom has a degree in nuclear engineering. She worked the field until she realized that the public school system was completely failing her kids. She home schooled them until they entered high school. Their daughter is now studying to be a vet.
Family B: Mom has a degree in mathematics. She decided to become a teacher before home schooling her children. The oldest daughter went to one of the military academies. The younger daughter received a full-ride plus massive stipend to attend the state university.
Family C: Mom has a computer science degree. The oldest daughter is now studying to become a medical doctor. Youngest daughter is still in high school.
Family D: I don't know what mom's degree is in. The daughter completed her pre-law degree and is now in advanced studies.
My family is far from being an evangelical conservative house hold. My wife has a computer science degree and her entire division was laid off as a result of 9/11. The kids liked having her home for a change and seemed much happier. My wife eventually went back to work full-time. The kids weren't as happy after that. Your mileage may vary.
Like I said, I only know four evangelical conservative families so it is only anecdotal data -- but then again, I didn't see you even attempt to quote a study beyond the "everyone knows" category.
Yet foreigners can come and buy up your country because they just happen to have more money than Canadians.
This is a good argument for reciprocity. If the government of the foreign buyers won't allow Canadians to own land in their country then Canada shouldn't allow them to own land in Canada.
You've got that backwards. The greenies and the Democrats are the ones that want $7.00 per gallon gasoline. The Republicans are generally okay with cheap gas.
Mighty dishonest of you to change the set to include the entire world, which completely skews the value of the dollar earned in comparison to the market.
Actually, it's pretty dishonest of you to not include the entire world. The entire world looks at the excesses that you own, that you consume and are disgusted. But, of course, in typical self-centered fashion, you point to someone else and say but look, they're worse!
Go ahead, live in your cocoon, isolated from 99% -- just like the 1% that you despise.
Einstein was loser. If he was so smart, why wasn't he rich?
boy, there are more great people than rich people.
Even before I read who wrote why wasn't he rich? my sarcasm detector translated it to an indictment of the system, not of Einstein. Then I read who wrote it and I know you missed Ratzo's sarcasm.
It's already too late: the class struggle is over. The One Percenters won. From now on it's a long slide towards misery and, ultimately, elimination for us the dispossessed masses.
How much a year do you make? If it's more than $US 32,400 then you are part of the 1%. Oh, you meant the other one percent. Typical. I can hear you now: Everyone else is a blood sucking parasite, but *I* earn my money.
you'll be able to write your tax return 'on the back of a postcard' are making promises that they cannot deliver on
1. How much did you make, including from barter: 2. Multiply line 1 by 0.20 and write that amount here: 3. Enter the amount withheld: 4. Subtract line 3 from line 2, this is how much you owe:
Regime change in Syria on one level, is exactly the right thing to do. The problem is that it creates complications based on how it is executed.
Looking at the recent track record, stating that regime change is the right thing to do requires extra-ordinary proof. Not just that it is required, but that there's any hope of turning the situation into anything but a human cesspit costing an incredible amount in terms of both treasure and blood.
Few argue, in 20/20 hindsight, that taking out Saddam was correct.
Everyone is mute on whether taking out Gaddfi was correct -- we're just lucky that we're not saturated with constant news of what a colossal ****-up Libya is now; otherwise people might actually have an opinion on that disaster which would be negative for a certain presidential candidate.
So, let's ignore lessons of recent history -- things that we should know from watching the nightly news over the last 15 years -- and make a simplistic statement that this time we'll do it right.
"It's not all pointless. The nutjobs need to be dealt with"
Sorry, but the 2nd Iraq "war" was utterly pointless. It cost lives and money for what - to remove one psychopath under bogus pretenses who at least held the region together, and allow him to be replaced with 10s of thousands of psychopaths who have created anarchy in the whole region and europe. Way to go USA!
This.
And not just Iraq. You would think that a person running for president would have learned that lesson from Iraq, but we have a person running who was actively involved in making the exact same mistake in Libya.
Is it still our policy to have regime change in Syria?
These people shouldn't have to learn from history -- these are recent events that they all lived through.
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- The C Programming Language 2nd Edition
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for help on the printf statement.
- Linux man-pages project for parameters to the
strftime function.
- Professor Steve Sherman for the first class using C.
- Professor John Wirth for general programming
skills being taught.
- Bill Joy for developing the vi editor in which this
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The reason we don't have Thoughtcrime is the outrage you get from various political parties/groups, not the fact that we don't actually have a mind reading device.
We do have thought crimes -- anytime someone is accused of a hate crime, it's because of what they were thinking.
That is why this this isn't going to go anywhere legally. It may have legs politically but there's no way she's going to be charged and convicted of mishandling classified information.
No. It doesn't have legs politically because if she wins, she won't have herself prosecuted. If she loses, presidents tend not to prosecute the outgoing opposition (with the hope that that those that replace them will give them the same quid pro quo).
Beside, Trump is running a false-flag operation. He wouldn't want one of his wedding guests tossed into prison.
I have seen people fired for simple mistakes that did not result in disclosure. Perhaps where the spooks would hold security sweeps was an open secret container -- and therefore not as sever.
I voted for Hillary in 2008. I won't be voting for her again.
Sure some might even be prosecuted, but those rules are focused not on the person that screws up, particularly if that person is otherwise executing due diligence
Ah, there's the rub. She wasn't performing due diligence. As soon as you know that you have classified information on your unclassified system, you are required to immediately disconnect it from the network and contact the facility security officer. You are not supposed to make additional copies. You are not to give them to your uncleared lawyer. You are not to have uncleared personnel peruse it looking for personal information to delete.
I voted for Hillary in 2008. I won't be voting for her again.
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Then why the fuck did he buy it?
To sue Google over Java copyright violations?
There are a great many varieties of Christianity, and I've yet to read of one that has anything even close to your formulation.
It is possible that stating "turned over to Statan" is over stating the case, but in the garden story, Adam and Eve are given free will making it their world where their will has sway versus God's. They then choose the opposite of what God wanted.
Flip to the end in Revelation 21:1:
Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth," for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
There would be no reason for a new heaven and a new earth if the current one is God's. If this was God's world, there would be no reason for redemption.
They work well in flat cities like Shanghai or Beijing, but you rarely see them in hilly cities like Chongqing.
Thank you. I've been wondering about getting one. Problem solved.
If you think that a morally superior deity is actually in control of things then it makes perfect sense. Some suffering can be attributed to human free will but quite a lot can't.
Christianity (which may fall into your category of [t]hose tend to be ancient and out of favor.) doesn't assume that a morally superior deity is actually in control of things. Christians believe that a morally superior deity gave this world to man, and man gave it to Satan.
Your mileage will vary.
My grandparents are reaching a period in their lives when things are becoming very difficult.
This.
My grandparents made it abundantly clear when I was growing up that they only wanted to live as long as they were not a burden on anyone else. My grandmother lived to be 91, and the last two years she was living her worse nightmare. She would have been much happier if we had given her a big 90th birthday party with a permanent sleeping potion after the last guest has left.
I'm friends with an 88 year old that was an absolute mental giant in his time. He is now reduced to mumbling to himself with most coherent conversations starting with "Is there a man with a knife behind you?" He has both auditory and visual hallucinations and is draining his savings at the rate of over $2K a month.
A kind and just society would allow for people to create a path to avoid such a fate.
Because email isn't IM?
Unless you're logged in 24/7, Facebook Messenger (FM) via a browser isn't IM either.
The main advantage for FM is lack of spam -- at the cost of surveillance.
In terms of evangelical conservative views, of course they make terrible wives and mothers, ...
I admit that I only know 4 evangelical conservative Christian families (which is probably dwarfed by the extensive studies that you've done); however, the women in the family tend to be well educated.
Family A: Mom has a degree in nuclear engineering. She worked the field until she realized that the public school system was completely failing her kids. She home schooled them until they entered high school. Their daughter is now studying to be a vet.
Family B: Mom has a degree in mathematics. She decided to become a teacher before home schooling her children. The oldest daughter went to one of the military academies. The younger daughter received a full-ride plus massive stipend to attend the state university.
Family C: Mom has a computer science degree. The oldest daughter is now studying to become a medical doctor. Youngest daughter is still in high school.
Family D: I don't know what mom's degree is in. The daughter completed her pre-law degree and is now in advanced studies.
My family is far from being an evangelical conservative house hold. My wife has a computer science degree and her entire division was laid off as a result of 9/11. The kids liked having her home for a change and seemed much happier. My wife eventually went back to work full-time. The kids weren't as happy after that. Your mileage may vary.
Like I said, I only know four evangelical conservative families so it is only anecdotal data -- but then again, I didn't see you even attempt to quote a study beyond the "everyone knows" category.
Yet foreigners can come and buy up your country because they just happen to have more money than Canadians.
This is a good argument for reciprocity. If the government of the foreign buyers won't allow Canadians to own land in their country then Canada shouldn't allow them to own land in Canada.
They won't listen. In fact, they'll repeat the same damned thing in the next thread.
Sadly, you're correct.
and raise gas prices to $7.00 / gallon
You've got that backwards. The greenies and the Democrats are the ones that want $7.00 per gallon gasoline. The Republicans are generally okay with cheap gas.
This would be an excellent day for Justice Clarence Thomas to continue his tradition of just doing whatever Justice Scalia does.
And I here I thought the people on the right were supposed to be the evil hate mongers wanting everyone that opposes them to die. My mistake.
Mighty dishonest of you to change the set to include the entire world, which completely skews the value of the dollar earned in comparison to the market.
Actually, it's pretty dishonest of you to not include the entire world. The entire world looks at the excesses that you own, that you consume and are disgusted. But, of course, in typical self-centered fashion, you point to someone else and say but look, they're worse!
Go ahead, live in your cocoon, isolated from 99% -- just like the 1% that you despise.
Einstein was loser. If he was so smart, why wasn't he rich?
boy, there are more great people than rich people.
Even before I read who wrote why wasn't he rich? my sarcasm detector translated it to an indictment of the system, not of Einstein. Then I read who wrote it and I know you missed Ratzo's sarcasm.
It's already too late: the class struggle is over. The One Percenters won. From now on it's a long slide towards misery and, ultimately, elimination for us the dispossessed masses.
How much a year do you make? If it's more than $US 32,400 then you are part of the 1%. Oh, you meant the other one percent. Typical. I can hear you now: Everyone else is a blood sucking parasite, but *I* earn my money.
you'll be able to write your tax return 'on the back of a postcard' are making promises that they cannot deliver on
1. How much did you make, including from barter:
2. Multiply line 1 by 0.20 and write that amount here:
3. Enter the amount withheld:
4. Subtract line 3 from line 2, this is how much you owe:
How many pages of regulations are required to cover barter?
Not to sound like a presidential candidate, but what difference does it make?
You can use the existing regulation defining barter and still get rid of tons of the tax code.
Your alternative proposal would scrap the rules, which means every business large and small would be finding new ways to barter efficiently.
Barter is considered income -- and is subject to the same income tax.
Regime change in Syria on one level, is exactly the right thing to do. The problem is that it creates complications based on how it is executed.
Looking at the recent track record, stating that regime change is the right thing to do requires extra-ordinary proof. Not just that it is required, but that there's any hope of turning the situation into anything but a human cesspit costing an incredible amount in terms of both treasure and blood.
Few argue, in 20/20 hindsight, that taking out Saddam was correct.
Everyone is mute on whether taking out Gaddfi was correct -- we're just lucky that we're not saturated with constant news of what a colossal ****-up Libya is now; otherwise people might actually have an opinion on that disaster which would be negative for a certain presidential candidate.
So, let's ignore lessons of recent history -- things that we should know from watching the nightly news over the last 15 years -- and make a simplistic statement that this time we'll do it right.
"It's not all pointless. The nutjobs need to be dealt with"
Sorry, but the 2nd Iraq "war" was utterly pointless. It cost lives and money for what - to remove one psychopath under bogus pretenses who at least held the region together, and allow him to be replaced with 10s of thousands of psychopaths who have created anarchy in the whole region and europe. Way to go USA!
This.
And not just Iraq. You would think that a person running for president would have learned that lesson from Iraq, but we have a person running who was actively involved in making the exact same mistake in Libya.
Is it still our policy to have regime change in Syria?
These people shouldn't have to learn from history -- these are recent events that they all lived through.
It's akin to, if not the same as the different degrees of murder...
Except with hate crimes, there are usually two charges: one for the the actual crime and a second for the thought (hate).
@attributions
- The C Programming Language 2nd Edition
by Brian W. Kernighan and Dennis M. Ritchie
for help on the printf statement.
- Linux man-pages project for parameters to the
strftime function.
- Professor Steve Sherman for the first class using C.
- Professor John Wirth for general programming
skills being taught.
- Bill Joy for developing the vi editor in which this
code was produced.
*/
The reason we don't have Thoughtcrime is the outrage you get from various political parties/groups, not the fact that we don't actually have a mind reading device.
We do have thought crimes -- anytime someone is accused of a hate crime, it's because of what they were thinking.
That is why this this isn't going to go anywhere legally. It may have legs politically but there's no way she's going to be charged and convicted of mishandling classified information.
No. It doesn't have legs politically because if she wins, she won't have herself prosecuted. If she loses, presidents tend not to prosecute the outgoing opposition (with the hope that that those that replace them will give them the same quid pro quo).
Beside, Trump is running a false-flag operation. He wouldn't want one of his wedding guests tossed into prison.
No one was ever fired or demoted or paid a fine.
I have seen people fired for simple mistakes that did not result in disclosure. Perhaps where the spooks would hold security sweeps was an open secret container -- and therefore not as sever.
I voted for Hillary in 2008. I won't be voting for her again.
Sure some might even be prosecuted, but those rules are focused not on the person that screws up, particularly if that person is otherwise executing due diligence
Ah, there's the rub. She wasn't performing due diligence. As soon as you know that you have classified information on your unclassified system, you are required to immediately disconnect it from the network and contact the facility security officer. You are not supposed to make additional copies. You are not to give them to your uncleared lawyer. You are not to have uncleared personnel peruse it looking for personal information to delete.
I voted for Hillary in 2008. I won't be voting for her again.