Then again - I use FreeBSD, I don't expect to have everything (or anything) installed for me, but installing things isn't hard, and the documentation on how to do it is good, and you are expected to figure it out quickly. Trial by fire can be a good way to learn I guess... I just installed XMMS, and the mp3 (and flac, and ogg, and etc. etc. etc.) were all installed with it.
But yeah, having something obvious and expected not be there isn't a good idea.0
I don't understand. On both Windows and KDE, to drag from A to B, you left click icon in A and drag into B. Why do you have to right click? When I drag-and-drop on Konqueror, it always says me first "copy, move, link"? And you choose. On Windows, IIRC, you just have one default action and you have to resort to ctrl-x/ctrl-v if you want to move instead of copy, for example.
That will *move* the file in windows if both locations are on the same drive, copy otherwise - very logical obvious actions, saving a menu selection. - If I want a shortcut or copy in windows on the same drive, I'll right click and drag, where I get the move/copy/shortcut menu - If I want a shortcut or move in windows between drives, I'll right click and drag
If I just want to do the more obvious option quickly in Konqueror, I cant, because I always have to bother with the menu, a pain when you are nearsighted. I get more options than just copy/move/link also.
I double clicked a movie in Ubuntu, that Totem thing popped up with some nasty error message. I'll grant you I don't like the default choices, as I install PowerDVD on my windows boxes rather than using Media Player, I usually install Ogle on Linux/BSD. Works just fine. I have something else I do for auto-playing DVDs, but I wouldn't call it easy for a normal user... (a shell script on the desktop titled DVD with 'vlc dvd:///dev/dvd/')
I double clicked an MP3, no play. I use XMMS, no problem with MP3s there. But then again, I use Winamp instead of WMP in Windows also.
I tried to run Heroes of Might and Magic 3: it runs, but it's dog slow. With Windows it worked out of the box and I didn't even need to install it.
That's the one thing I would have expected to be a problem of the three. You probably didn't have your graphics drivers installed properly. I've seen that a lot with windows uers also - with the same results.
I know I'm being unfair, and that you could install the patent-restricted stuff to make the first two work (actually mplayer works better than anything on Windows), but that's not "without significant difficulty" for average users. They will see the error messages, either laugh and leave, or spend days making it work and then tell their friends that Linux sucks.
Actually, there's no patent restricted issues with MP3s to my knowledge, and most DVD playing software on *nix skips that stuff anyway, sounds like something else was off there. I handled Linux/BSD the same way I handled tasks in Windows - Keep trying recommended apps until something worked. Found the process was easier in BSD (provided you don't mind typing) so I moved over. But yeah, I guess most users don't want to bother installing apps if it looks like there is something that should work.
I don't know how to make #3 work. I tried dosbox, VMWare, Wine, and nothing runs it properly. And so it goes... If your graphics driver is installed properly, and wine runs it, it *should* run comparable to Windows.
Yes, because the use of a car is designed to be a lot more intuitive than that of a computer.
Disk space is a great example. People have two "storage things" on their computer - memory and disk space, both are described with very similar terms (*bytes, which vary by the year), and this is confusing.
Cars have two also - gas and oil. But they are described differenty. Gas is in gallons/liters and you have a little status indicator telling you that you need more.
Oil is typically "enough", "low", and "out", that's about it. No gallons/liters/whatever, it's much less confusing to the user.
The problem is, a computer is a lot more complex from the user's perspective, than a car.
Tabs are nice, but a few things I've not figured out how to do:
I prefer to right click and drag icons, and get a set of destination options - right click gives options, draging selects the location.
Left clicking and dragging makes me nervouse - left click says "take the default action", since I don't want to always copy, move, or link, this is very counter-intuitive. Left clicking+draggin behaves much like right clicking+dragging behaves in windws, which is what I like.
The popup window to rename files that you somtimes get is annoying, I like doing that in-place with the file name under the icon.
They are very simple things, but they are extremely annoying. At this point, I stick to a command line rather than use Konqueror.
Velocity seems to do what I want, but it's a Gnome app, and on KDE on my system, it won't display icons.
Everybody works with things they don't understand, and you cant understand everything (although you can try).
Calling IE the "internet" or even saying it's their "operating system" (or saying "Office 2007" is their operating system for that matter) is ignorant (by the definition of the word - lack of knowledge), yes. It however is not idiotic.
Computers are still not as simple devices as we'd like to believe, and for a casual user, there is a lot to remember. As a similar example showing my ignorance: I you show me a car, I can't tell you the make/model, and if you give me a model, I can't tell use the manufacturer in most cases. I'm ignorant in such matters - everyone has their own ignorances, and just because you know something that someone else doesn't, doesn't make that person an idiot - thinking everyone should know it, however, might make you one.
They don't work on the Linux project, because the human interfaces used by Linux are not Linux projects!
As the GP posted, it is truely irrelevant to have a human interface designer on the Linux project. Now interface design people who port such applications to Linux are relevant.
I'd offer KDE as an example, except for *possibly* the Konqueror file browser, most of what is in KDE is handled better than it's comparable option in Windows (it took me no time whatsoever to migrage using KDE, and to be honest, with a little setup, as I would do in an GUI where it's allowed, KDE looks a lot better). As for Konqueror, that's my one big complaint about OSS desktop managers in general - I've not found a file browser that has an interface that "feels" like explorer. An before some clown decides to make the sarcastic "then program a crash timer into it", Explorer hasn't crashed on me in years - I'm talking about the way a user performs tasks with it.
But this isn't really a Linux thing anymore either... Why? Because it can be used in other operating systems such as FreeBSD and MacOS. These desktop applications tend to *not* be Linux specific.
But dithering only works well at minimum distances, and it can still create problems with gradient lines, if the algorithm is of sub-par quality or the picture happens to have something in it's nature that doesn't quite dither properly.
Dithering can add a 'blur' factor, since it's not an exact representation, which also causes a loss in image accuracy.
and as a counter point to all my previous points... Aren't all images on computers dithered anyway, since each "pixel" is actually 3 sub-pixels, each with a different color?
however this is 313 not 307 digits as stated in the article... (8 rows with 7 columns plus one row with 6 columns @ 5 numbers per cell, with a left over cell of 3: (8*7+6)*5+3
So is python wrong, or is the 307 digit estimate wrong?
The fact is, I've seen these happen with legal drugs, but, I take it you agree with these statements then.
Yes, when parents don't feed their children because they need drug money, its a victimless crime, no one other than the parent is hurt!
When people cant think properly because they've taken too many drugs, or can't afford what they a mentally or physically dependant on, and rob/kill others for drug money, its a victimless crime. The people robbed/killed certainly weren't hurt.
People dealing drugs to others, even when the others haven't been shown how dangerous the drugs are, is a victimless crime. The people who recieved the drugs certainly weren't hurt!
Honestly, I could care less about the people who know the risks, and still use the drugs to the point of harming themselves. It's those that use them and harm others in the process, that bother me.
Also, another logic that probably scares them - MS's legal department probably is well aware that OSS groups are much more likely to play the prior-art/patent-invalidation card than other groups.
You've never talked to what could be considered an "average" manager, have you?
Many people would see such arguments as silly, and blatant advertising, but for some reason, management often sees people who are able to make a lot of money as founts of wisdom in all matters.
actually, there are a lot of cards it can work with. I have a leadtek card that works nice, not just the hauppauge.
That being said, I did get the nicer Hauppague PVR150, and have not had an issue.
But then again, I don't use MythTV either, it seemed to much of a pain to get it up and running, especially without 'as-you-do-it' diagnostics. Going through a whole horrible setup WIZARD interface (haven't we agreed that wizards suck?) for each of the configuration groups, not being able to test the connection until the end, is annoying. If it doesn't set up right, you have to deal with one of those annoying wizards again... *grumblegrumble*
I like the software that came with my Leadtek better, it's still a wizard, but it gives you better test information as you go along.
In *nix, I have given up and decided to stick with vlc as my tv tuner player. Setup is easy: vlc stream:///dev/tuner-device-here
the original poster complained there was no benefit that there was no benefit other than a new type of media, and it was write-once, which he couldn't see the purpose of.
I replied with my comment asking if he ever bought CD-Rs
The next person replied about CD-Rs and RWs not coming out at the same time, as if it were a counter to my original point.
I stated that I expect to see the same thing with this tech also.
You make your comment missing a huge part of the conversation somehow.
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ugh, that's annoying.
Then again - I use FreeBSD, I don't expect to have everything (or anything) installed for me, but installing things isn't hard, and the documentation on how to do it is good, and you are expected to figure it out quickly. Trial by fire can be a good way to learn I guess... I just installed XMMS, and the mp3 (and flac, and ogg, and etc. etc. etc.) were all installed with it.
But yeah, having something obvious and expected not be there isn't a good idea.0
I don't understand. On both Windows and KDE, to drag from A to B, you left click icon in A and drag into B. Why do you have to right click? When I drag-and-drop on Konqueror, it always says me first "copy, move, link"? And you choose. On Windows, IIRC, you just have one default action and you have to resort to ctrl-x/ctrl-v if you want to move instead of copy, for example.
That will *move* the file in windows if both locations are on the same drive, copy otherwise - very logical obvious actions, saving a menu selection.
- If I want a shortcut or copy in windows on the same drive, I'll right click and drag, where I get the move/copy/shortcut menu
- If I want a shortcut or move in windows between drives, I'll right click and drag
If I just want to do the more obvious option quickly in Konqueror, I cant, because I always have to bother with the menu, a pain when you are nearsighted. I get more options than just copy/move/link also.
I double clicked a movie in Ubuntu, that Totem thing popped up with some nasty error message.
I'll grant you I don't like the default choices, as I install PowerDVD on my windows boxes rather than using Media Player, I usually install Ogle on Linux/BSD. Works just fine. I have something else I do for auto-playing DVDs, but I wouldn't call it easy for a normal user... (a shell script on the desktop titled DVD with 'vlc dvd:///dev/dvd/')
I double clicked an MP3, no play.
I use XMMS, no problem with MP3s there. But then again, I use Winamp instead of WMP in Windows also.
I tried to run Heroes of Might and Magic 3: it runs, but it's dog slow. With Windows it worked out of the box and I didn't even need to install it.
That's the one thing I would have expected to be a problem of the three. You probably didn't have your graphics drivers installed properly. I've seen that a lot with windows uers also - with the same results.
I know I'm being unfair, and that you could install the patent-restricted stuff to make the first two work (actually mplayer works better than anything on Windows), but that's not "without significant difficulty" for average users. They will see the error messages, either laugh and leave, or spend days making it work and then tell their friends that Linux sucks.
Actually, there's no patent restricted issues with MP3s to my knowledge, and most DVD playing software on *nix skips that stuff anyway, sounds like something else was off there. I handled Linux/BSD the same way I handled tasks in Windows - Keep trying recommended apps until something worked. Found the process was easier in BSD (provided you don't mind typing) so I moved over. But yeah, I guess most users don't want to bother installing apps if it looks like there is something that should work.
I don't know how to make #3 work. I tried dosbox, VMWare, Wine, and nothing runs it properly. And so it goes...
If your graphics driver is installed properly, and wine runs it, it *should* run comparable to Windows.
Yes, because the use of a car is designed to be a lot more intuitive than that of a computer.
Disk space is a great example. People have two "storage things" on their computer - memory and disk space, both are described with very similar terms (*bytes, which vary by the year), and this is confusing.
Cars have two also - gas and oil. But they are described differenty. Gas is in gallons/liters and you have a little status indicator telling you that you need more.
Oil is typically "enough", "low", and "out", that's about it. No gallons/liters/whatever, it's much less confusing to the user.
The problem is, a computer is a lot more complex from the user's perspective, than a car.
Tabs are nice, but a few things I've not figured out how to do:
I prefer to right click and drag icons, and get a set of destination options - right click gives options, draging selects the location.
Left clicking and dragging makes me nervouse - left click says "take the default action", since I don't want to always copy, move, or link, this is very counter-intuitive. Left clicking+draggin behaves much like right clicking+dragging behaves in windws, which is what I like.
The popup window to rename files that you somtimes get is annoying, I like doing that in-place with the file name under the icon.
They are very simple things, but they are extremely annoying. At this point, I stick to a command line rather than use Konqueror.
Velocity seems to do what I want, but it's a Gnome app, and on KDE on my system, it won't display icons.
Bad example: Being an idiot is a jury selection requirement.
Using a similarly flawed sample base, I could say all humans are very intelligent, look at anyone with a Ph.D
Yep, you can do all of those in Linux without significant difficulty
Well, except Windows games, you can do some of those, but they usually involve a little challange.
That's still elitism.
Everybody works with things they don't understand, and you cant understand everything (although you can try).
Calling IE the "internet" or even saying it's their "operating system" (or saying "Office 2007" is their operating system for that matter) is ignorant (by the definition of the word - lack of knowledge), yes. It however is not idiotic.
Computers are still not as simple devices as we'd like to believe, and for a casual user, there is a lot to remember. As a similar example showing my ignorance: I you show me a car, I can't tell you the make/model, and if you give me a model, I can't tell use the manufacturer in most cases. I'm ignorant in such matters - everyone has their own ignorances, and just because you know something that someone else doesn't, doesn't make that person an idiot - thinking everyone should know it, however, might make you one.
They don't work on the Linux project, because the human interfaces used by Linux are not Linux projects!
As the GP posted, it is truely irrelevant to have a human interface designer on the Linux project. Now interface design people who port such applications to Linux are relevant.
I'd offer KDE as an example, except for *possibly* the Konqueror file browser, most of what is in KDE is handled better than it's comparable option in Windows (it took me no time whatsoever to migrage using KDE, and to be honest, with a little setup, as I would do in an GUI where it's allowed, KDE looks a lot better). As for Konqueror, that's my one big complaint about OSS desktop managers in general - I've not found a file browser that has an interface that "feels" like explorer. An before some clown decides to make the sarcastic "then program a crash timer into it", Explorer hasn't crashed on me in years - I'm talking about the way a user performs tasks with it.
But this isn't really a Linux thing anymore either... Why? Because it can be used in other operating systems such as FreeBSD and MacOS. These desktop applications tend to *not* be Linux specific.
But dithering only works well at minimum distances, and it can still create problems with gradient lines, if the algorithm is of sub-par quality or the picture happens to have something in it's nature that doesn't quite dither properly.
Dithering can add a 'blur' factor, since it's not an exact representation, which also causes a loss in image accuracy.
and as a counter point to all my previous points...
Aren't all images on computers dithered anyway, since each "pixel" is actually 3 sub-pixels, each with a different color?
Laptop LCDs tend to be a *lot* lower quality in display than other monitors.
If I remember correctly, from a coupld of years ago, the number was 10 12 bit, but I could easily be wrong.
I would have to say that python agrees with you...
>>> 2**1039-1
58906 80864 31683 67664 47387 24917 74762 47119
38696 45981 50177 53575 68993 76584 32079 46555
59932 59138 49006 50140 34006 38916 15625 81754
37632 23144 51080 38858 45624 60719 42881 07610
69833 17459 92221 53387 11318 93632 01210 62386
22173 92146 90332 88521 55899 78237 00137 18480
62018 26907 36866 95341 12523 82072 65913 54912
10334 38768 44956 20912 65765 28293 887
however this is 313 not 307 digits as stated in the article... (8 rows with 7 columns plus one row with 6 columns @ 5 numbers per cell, with a left over cell of 3: (8*7+6)*5+3
So is python wrong, or is the 307 digit estimate wrong?
No, but the drugs do alter the way the brain works, and can induce such behavior in people who wouldn't do this otherwise.
And I've seen it with alcohol as well actually. I noticed you ignored the robbery stuff though, and the "tricky" behavior of some drug dealers...
The fact is, I've seen these happen with legal drugs, but, I take it you agree with these statements then.
Yes, when parents don't feed their children because they need drug money, its a victimless crime, no one other than the parent is hurt!
When people cant think properly because they've taken too many drugs, or can't afford what they a mentally or physically dependant on, and rob/kill others for drug money, its a victimless crime. The people robbed/killed certainly weren't hurt.
People dealing drugs to others, even when the others haven't been shown how dangerous the drugs are, is a victimless crime. The people who recieved the drugs certainly weren't hurt!
Honestly, I could care less about the people who know the risks, and still use the drugs to the point of harming themselves. It's those that use them and harm others in the process, that bother me.
having witnessed the results many with many people, I can honestly say only an ignorant or blind fool would find drugs to be a victimless crime.
They don't care. This is probably from the crowd that things the only thing wrong with comitting a crime is getting caught.
That being said, they need to put the creators/curators on the list - aren't they rats themselves now?
TFS seems to read as a warning to rampant FUD about to be released about wifi.
I agree, Wifi is dangerous, but only in a computer-security, not a biological integrity, sense.
Also, another logic that probably scares them - MS's legal department probably is well aware that OSS groups are much more likely to play the prior-art/patent-invalidation card than other groups.
You've never talked to what could be considered an "average" manager, have you?
Many people would see such arguments as silly, and blatant advertising, but for some reason, management often sees people who are able to make a lot of money as founts of wisdom in all matters.
I could have gotten it wrong. The only thing I can ever remember for that acronym is "Digitally Contrived Extortion"
actually, there are a lot of cards it can work with. I have a leadtek card that works nice, not just the hauppauge.
That being said, I did get the nicer Hauppague PVR150, and have not had an issue.
But then again, I don't use MythTV either, it seemed to much of a pain to get it up and running, especially without 'as-you-do-it' diagnostics. Going through a whole horrible setup WIZARD interface (haven't we agreed that wizards suck?) for each of the configuration groups, not being able to test the connection until the end, is annoying. If it doesn't set up right, you have to deal with one of those annoying wizards again... *grumblegrumble*
I like the software that came with my Leadtek better, it's still a wizard, but it gives you better test information as you go along.
In *nix, I have given up and decided to stick with vlc as my tv tuner player. Setup is easy: vlc stream:///dev/tuner-device-here
Remember, it's digital content enablement.
Don't you feel enabled?
How does a rotting zombie-duck resemble tux?
Synopsis:
the original poster complained there was no benefit that there was no benefit other than a new type of media, and it was write-once, which he couldn't see the purpose of.
I replied with my comment asking if he ever bought CD-Rs
The next person replied about CD-Rs and RWs not coming out at the same time, as if it were a counter to my original point.
I stated that I expect to see the same thing with this tech also.
You make your comment missing a huge part of the conversation somehow.
I write this post.
oh look, the read only of this tech has come out before the rw...
my point still stands.