rephrase - if it hasn't already been compiled. Even if I use it while compiling, I don't use it during isntall - I've seen it introduce instability in some apps.
Think about all the time he's wasted, in total, with a lot of people.
Think about the unpleasantries he's put them through with some of his messages (I don't know which he's done, but I've seen some pretty horrible spam subjects).
I suspect if you locked him up for a duration equal to the total time he took from others, 65 years would be lenient in comparison.
* The inability to use the box while compiling (not true - I do stuff when compiling all the time, not what is being compiled mind you).
* Slashdot saying BSDs are 1337? Funny, posts saying that they like BSD tend to get modded "Troll"
* That circular dependancies are the only thing to cause Dep-hell? I've had plenty of cases where I have had "Package A" and "Package B", where both required "Package C" of differing versions, where neither would accept the same version of C, and the two versions of C didn't want to coexist. Maybe more helical than circular...
Sorry, while some of it is true in some cases, I find the lot of it quite not funny. And no, I don't use Gentoo. While emerge has treated me better than some of the alternatives in the Linux world, it's not quite as hassle-free as I'd like.
pretty sure it was actually an analog driver... Which is probably worse than a binary driver, not to mention the hacks one would have to use to install such a thing.
I've seen Windows run flawlessly on machines that Linux isn't even borderline stable one. I've seen Linux run flawlessly on machines Windows isn't even borderline stable one.
The fact of the matter is, there's a lot that stability depends upon, and even slightly different circumstances can lead to vastly different results.
In my personal experience, outside of really cheap computers, I've not had any stability issues with Windows. The exception being a computer with a SiL 2114 SATA controler, and using an IDE hard drive fixed that problem (Linux wouldn't even boot on that machine). I narrowed it down to the controller because all other machines tested work fine with the same SATA drives tested, and that machine runs fine with just IDE drives.
But I'm getting off track here. The point is that there is no "single" answer to achieving high stability, except putting in the effort to determine which (A) works with what (B), and some trial & error.
Except that NeoOffice seems to think they have more potential for bugs than MS office, and even go so far as to suggest that people use MS office instead for critical things. This is straight from their faq.
Who should use NeoOffice?
NeoOffice is not perfect. Although we try very hard to make NeoOffice free of bugs and crashes, our users still find new bugs and new cases that cause NeoOffice to crash. So, if you feel that you need software that has been heavily tested, we recommend that you use a commercially-supported product like Microsoft Office.
ok, sorry I forgot, turn key to turn on car, headlights vary on models.
there are indicators for antifreeze, and engine troubles on some too.
but overall, even adding those, it's slimmer less than the GUI use instructions I gave you, and the gui use instructions I gave you are a lot less complete than the card instructions I gave.
Like the stuff that's good enough that we already have, that to my knowledge, still isn't being used in Iraq?
Maybe it's a few months out of date, but last I heard, the only troops who have bullet resistant body armor over there are the ones who's families bought/shipped it, or got it from an NPO that is buying them and shipping them to the troops.
gas pedal: (right side) push to go break: (left side) push to stop steering wheel: turn the wheel, turn the car. turn signal bar: turn towards the left for left, right for right horn: press to make loud noise gas gague: shows amount of gas, has a little bar, and things that say "empty" and "full" oil light: if it goes on, you need oil.
Winshield wiper may vary and is the only thing that might be difficult. Cars may be stadard transmission, which adds a bit more complexity.
I can see how computers (below) can be considered just as simple, sure...
Computer: Mouse: -left mouse button: typically but doesn't always perform some standard action -right mouse button: typically but doesn't always bring up an options menu -middle mouse button: scroll or paste depending on os -scroll wheel: scroll up and down, or zoom in and out
Keyboard: -varys by context
Text edit box -Press a key, see it inserted -sometimes tab will move between boxes -sometimes return will perform an action and not provide a newline -mouse may be able to select text by clicking/holding and draging -may be able to select text by shift+arrow-keys, or shift +mouse click
Option list -mouse click selects an option -keypress may select an option beginning with that letter, or with that letter underlined --multiple clicks of the same key may cycle through options that use that key --presses of different keys may allow name matching -shift + mouse click or key press may select a second option, and all options between initially selected option and second option -control + mouse click or key press may add or remove the option chosen to the current list of selection option.
Radio buttons: - usually round - only one can be selected - select by mouse click or pressing space while selected
Checkboxes: - exactly like radio, except -- many can be selected -- clicking/spacing a box that is selected will deselect it
Button: - Click it and something happens
Menu: - click an option to --(A) perform task option represents --(B) get another menu to spawn
And important things many users don't have explained to them, or have explained once, but don't see it often, so forget: disk space - perminant storage on a computer or drive memory - temporary storage, refreshed at minimum when the machine reboots cpu - a *small* thing that handles calculations, not the whole damn box.
since user knowledge is less neccessary in a generic case, my argument is hurt more than helped by forgoing them, I'll forgo graphics card, motherboard, optical drives, network card, power supply, sound card...
And that's just the basic GUI use. It doesn't cover error messages, nonconformant application UIs which we all see in any OS, naming conventions for certain tasks, non-intuitive identifier names, basic file system navigation, basic productivity for a specific application or application type, multimedia use, etc.
Either look for the mouse options in the control panel, or type "kcmshell mouse". When the configuration dialog appears, select "double-click" in the icons group.
already did that - it solved a different annoyance.
What I was talking about is different. What I was complaining about was what happens when you drag a file. If you drag a file with the left mouse button, it acts as windows does, if you drage the file with the right mouse button in explorer - giving you options.
You can't right drag in Konqueror. I'd just like a setting to where I could make it behave more like windows in that sense. Left drag for a default/obvious action, right drag for a menu.
[Left mouse button = action/Right mouse button = options] tends to be the common UI standard in most things, and it's one those things that KDE doesn't follow in this case, making the interface slightly less regular, and for me, significantly more tedious.
maybe it's because I'm nearsighted and never seen that detail, but I thought there were many cars in which the badge displayed a logo, and not necessarily the text associated with that logo?
You are correct, I misstated what I meant. But in both cases, a rational option is used by default.
It would be more rational if it *always* copied IMO (the safer of the two obvious options), with a right-click-drag use for choosing other options. But at least the left click does what left clicks normally do in most GUI interfaces - take an "obvious" action based on the context in which it is used, instead of giving options. Note: a menu's whole purpose is to give options, which is why menus aren't the exception to this rule.
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rephrase - if it hasn't already been compiled. Even if I use it while compiling, I don't use it during isntall - I've seen it introduce instability in some apps.
Think about all the time he's wasted, in total, with a lot of people.
Think about the unpleasantries he's put them through with some of his messages (I don't know which he's done, but I've seen some pretty horrible spam subjects).
I suspect if you locked him up for a duration equal to the total time he took from others, 65 years would be lenient in comparison.
The original post of the thread might have been, but the post I replied to wasn't.
Hey, All but one of my boxes are FreeBSD. The freak of nature-stand-out-like-sore-thumb is Windows XP...
Oh, you are trying to see if you get troll?
what part is true?
* The inability to use the box while compiling (not true - I do stuff when compiling all the time, not what is being compiled mind you).
* Slashdot saying BSDs are 1337? Funny, posts saying that they like BSD tend to get modded "Troll"
* That circular dependancies are the only thing to cause Dep-hell? I've had plenty of cases where I have had "Package A" and "Package B", where both required "Package C" of differing versions, where neither would accept the same version of C, and the two versions of C didn't want to coexist. Maybe more helical than circular...
Sorry, while some of it is true in some cases, I find the lot of it quite not funny.
And no, I don't use Gentoo. While emerge has treated me better than some of the alternatives in the Linux world, it's not quite as hassle-free as I'd like.
For business users, I'll just name what would be the top 3 they know of or don't think about...
Device Drivers
Web Servers
SQL Database Servers
pretty sure it was actually an analog driver... Which is probably worse than a binary driver, not to mention the hacks one would have to use to install such a thing.
I've seen Windows run flawlessly on machines that Linux isn't even borderline stable one.
I've seen Linux run flawlessly on machines Windows isn't even borderline stable one.
The fact of the matter is, there's a lot that stability depends upon, and even slightly different circumstances can lead to vastly different results.
In my personal experience, outside of really cheap computers, I've not had any stability issues with Windows. The exception being a computer with a SiL 2114 SATA controler, and using an IDE hard drive fixed that problem (Linux wouldn't even boot on that machine). I narrowed it down to the controller because all other machines tested work fine with the same SATA drives tested, and that machine runs fine with just IDE drives.
But I'm getting off track here. The point is that there is no "single" answer to achieving high stability, except putting in the effort to determine which (A) works with what (B), and some trial & error.
testing... And look at the 2nd question on the NeoOffice faq (who should use it).
9 out of 10 hard drives say they prefer the taste of NeoOffice to MS Office!
Hey, this is MacOS not BeOS!
Except that NeoOffice's Faq actually says that MS Office has more tasting and should be used instead in situations where that is important.
So, I suspect NeoOffice is actually the more buggy of the two if they are recommending MS Office.
Why didn't you post that on slashdot? It'd be the OBVIOUS thing to do...
NeoOffice
I'm not a mac user and even I know that...
Maybe s/he comparing it to minix or hurd...?
ok, lets not bring Sony into this.
He couldn't make it, so they decided to put a cage of these little guys up there instead for cute-factor.
That, and it'll be the only way to get any noise up there that isn't marketing rhetoric.
powerful good and evil, maybe powerful neutral and evil (you pick which is which).
Wonder if anyone is taking bets on the victor?
Simple solution...
Oh, those aren't emails, those are FTP uploads over port 25...
ok, sorry I forgot, turn key to turn on car, headlights vary on models.
there are indicators for antifreeze, and engine troubles on some too.
but overall, even adding those, it's slimmer less than the GUI use instructions I gave you, and the gui use instructions I gave you are a lot less complete than the card instructions I gave.
Like the stuff that's good enough that we already have, that to my knowledge, still isn't being used in Iraq?
Maybe it's a few months out of date, but last I heard, the only troops who have bullet resistant body armor over there are the ones who's families bought/shipped it, or got it from an NPO that is buying them and shipping them to the troops.
basics for driving a car:
gas pedal: (right side) push to go
break: (left side) push to stop
steering wheel: turn the wheel, turn the car.
turn signal bar: turn towards the left for left, right for right
horn: press to make loud noise
gas gague: shows amount of gas, has a little bar, and things that say "empty" and "full"
oil light: if it goes on, you need oil.
Winshield wiper may vary and is the only thing that might be difficult.
Cars may be stadard transmission, which adds a bit more complexity.
I can see how computers (below) can be considered just as simple, sure...
Computer:
Mouse:
-left mouse button: typically but doesn't always perform some standard action
-right mouse button: typically but doesn't always bring up an options menu
-middle mouse button: scroll or paste depending on os
-scroll wheel: scroll up and down, or zoom in and out
Keyboard:
-varys by context
Text edit box
-Press a key, see it inserted
-sometimes tab will move between boxes
-sometimes return will perform an action and not provide a newline
-mouse may be able to select text by clicking/holding and draging
-may be able to select text by shift+arrow-keys, or shift +mouse click
Option list
-mouse click selects an option
-keypress may select an option beginning with that letter, or with that letter underlined
--multiple clicks of the same key may cycle through options that use that key
--presses of different keys may allow name matching
-shift + mouse click or key press may select a second option, and all options between initially selected option and second option
-control + mouse click or key press may add or remove the option chosen to the current list of selection option.
Radio buttons:
- usually round
- only one can be selected
- select by mouse click or pressing space while selected
Checkboxes:
- exactly like radio, except
-- many can be selected
-- clicking/spacing a box that is selected will deselect it
Button:
- Click it and something happens
Menu:
- click an option to
--(A) perform task option represents
--(B) get another menu to spawn
And important things many users don't have explained to them, or have explained once, but don't see it often, so forget:
disk space - perminant storage on a computer or drive
memory - temporary storage, refreshed at minimum when the machine reboots
cpu - a *small* thing that handles calculations, not the whole damn box.
since user knowledge is less neccessary in a generic case, my argument is hurt more than helped by forgoing them, I'll forgo graphics card, motherboard, optical drives, network card, power supply, sound card...
And that's just the basic GUI use. It doesn't cover error messages, nonconformant application UIs which we all see in any OS, naming conventions for certain tasks, non-intuitive identifier names, basic file system navigation, basic productivity for a specific application or application type, multimedia use, etc.
Either look for the mouse options in the control panel, or type "kcmshell mouse". When the configuration dialog appears, select "double-click" in the icons group.
already did that - it solved a different annoyance.
What I was talking about is different. What I was complaining about was what happens when you drag a file. If you drag a file with the left mouse button, it acts as windows does, if you drage the file with the right mouse button in explorer - giving you options.
You can't right drag in Konqueror. I'd just like a setting to where I could make it behave more like windows in that sense. Left drag for a default/obvious action, right drag for a menu.
[Left mouse button = action/Right mouse button = options] tends to be the common UI standard in most things, and it's one those things that KDE doesn't follow in this case, making the interface slightly less regular, and for me, significantly more tedious.
maybe it's because I'm nearsighted and never seen that detail, but I thought there were many cars in which the badge displayed a logo, and not necessarily the text associated with that logo?
You are correct, I misstated what I meant. But in both cases, a rational option is used by default.
It would be more rational if it *always* copied IMO (the safer of the two obvious options), with a right-click-drag use for choosing other options. But at least the left click does what left clicks normally do in most GUI interfaces - take an "obvious" action based on the context in which it is used, instead of giving options. Note: a menu's whole purpose is to give options, which is why menus aren't the exception to this rule.
true, but if done improperly, that can instead add flicker.