you said the solutions work well with minimal expense. I would start with telling them to use the evidence in front of their own eyes. Next I would also mention that they have "only the word" of the people pushing the anti-open-source views also. Remember: Just because you can see the source doesn't mean the bugs (which are necessary for exploits) exist.
Aside from that, google for security comparisons for the open source solutions you promote and their competition.
I don't see a problem with pretending to be someone else, as long as you have the appropriate licenses/credentials.
i.e.:
Pretending to be a everyday/normal person - fine
Pretending to be a Police Officer without being in the employ of a police agency, or a CPA without the actual degrees and licenses: bad
I do not agree with falsifying data either:
"I downloaded these files from the user's hard drive"
if you did this and have absolute proof - fine
if you didn't do this and/or "fudged" the numbers, you need jail time.
what parts of these, with respect to other laws, are impacted by this bill and the changes made?
> Java No, to my experience, this has always sucked and been unreliable, with very few exceptions
> Java script > HTML OK, I'll grant you they screwed these two over
> C++ OK, their C++ implementation in VS kinda sucks in a few aspects, but to my knowledge, they didn't massively kludge it any more than any other implementation, including GCC, Borland and Codewarrior did.
Lets compare Windows in it's evolution, or media player, admittedly two internal products.
I believe Office was originally an external, it's a lot better than it used to be.
I know IE was originally an external, it too is a lot better than it used to be in many respects.
Haven't really followed SQL Server or IIS much, though I know IIS has improved in the last couple iterations. Dunno if either started internally or externally.
So you are saying Microsoft bought Apache, Oracle, Apple, Sony, Nintendo, Novel and a few other companys that you listed there.
Last I check, Microsoft didt take or use any of those products you in making their own products. Try reading comprehension some time, it helps out a lot.
"based on" is never "is", based on implies changes to varying degrees.
Also, I thought earlier versions of OS X, at some point prior to X.4, they still had a microkernel. I know threads were actually added to the Kernel in X.4.
Having used both, I know OS X is not the same as FreeBSD, I much prefer the FreeBSD system to be honest, but that's just my not-so-humble oppinion.
What part of FreeBSD did Apple use I wonder? I thought userland was still pretty generic across BSD with only minor changes, the filesystem structure resembles that of FreeBSD less than Linux's, and as I said, FreeBSD never used Mach or any other microkernel to my knowledge.
It seems to me it's more of a sibling than a child.
quite true, but I'd prefer a way of saying "you can make money if you contribute back." It allows them to make money on it, but fairly. One more freedom to add to the mix.
that's the phrase, but most open source users/advocates seem to think "free as in beer" is something other than "not paying money", and "free as in freedom" contains "not paying money", as well as some obscure subset of the standard definition of "freedom"
Yeah, I mostly could care less what/.ers think in their oppinions. While the news is interesting, and the commentary is often amusing, in the end, I find I go for what works, not what looks good. Certain groups of/.ers tend to follow certain trains of thought that appear noble or righteous, but often ignore many aspects of reality.
I'd like to find your rational for that statement. OS X is based off of the Mach Microkernel. The FreeBSD people, to my knowledge, never bought into the idiotic "Microkernel on a multipurpose OS" hype.
Actually, according to Wikipedia, though not the best source available, it was based on OPENSTEP/NEXTSTEP. This also reports the release as 1999/2001 depending on version.
I'd prefer my current OS of choice to remain relatively safe. If everyone in the world used it, then people would bother to hack it more. Let them keep their sucky OSes:-)
I'd go with one Linux and one BSD, give your customers more options.
The reason for this is that both have thigns that they are quite good at, and both have things they lack.
I'd probably say one of the following for Linux:
Fedora (popularity, but it's bloated, probably not good for an embedded solution), Ubuntu (more friendly/reliable IMO), and Gentoo (more reliable than the other two in my oppinion, friendlier in some ways, less so in others).
it'd have to be lower... it said "half the wavelength", in TFA, assuming 2 meters for a person (thats a bit over), This site (http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-wavelengt h.htm) suggests that 85.75hz is what is needed. Using 6 feet people (12 foot wavelengths), we get 93.8hz
oooh, that is a good point. Sorry, the human brain is wired poorly and often if all the letters are there, and the first and last letters are correct, you won't notice the misspelling. Especially with two relatively similar letters transposed.
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you said the solutions work well with minimal expense. I would start with telling them to use the evidence in front of their own eyes. Next I would also mention that they have "only the word" of the people pushing the anti-open-source views also. Remember: Just because you can see the source doesn't mean the bugs (which are necessary for exploits) exist.
Aside from that, google for security comparisons for the open source solutions you promote and their competition.
well, there are credentials to be a specific person - birth certificates, social security cards, DNA, fingerprints, etc.
I do *NOT* agree with pretending to be a specific person. So it does affect that then? Yuck.
I don't see a problem with pretending to be someone else, as long as you have the appropriate licenses/credentials.
i.e.:
Pretending to be a everyday/normal person - fine
Pretending to be a Police Officer without being in the employ of a police agency, or a CPA without the actual degrees and licenses: bad
I do not agree with falsifying data either:
"I downloaded these files from the user's hard drive"
if you did this and have absolute proof - fine
if you didn't do this and/or "fudged" the numbers, you need jail time.
what parts of these, with respect to other laws, are impacted by this bill and the changes made?
> Java
No, to my experience, this has always sucked and been unreliable, with very few exceptions
> Java script
> HTML
OK, I'll grant you they screwed these two over
> C++
OK, their C++ implementation in VS kinda sucks in a few aspects, but to my knowledge, they didn't massively kludge it any more than any other implementation, including GCC, Borland and Codewarrior did.
Lets compare Windows in it's evolution, or media player, admittedly two internal products.
I believe Office was originally an external, it's a lot better than it used to be.
I know IE was originally an external, it too is a lot better than it used to be in many respects.
Haven't really followed SQL Server or IIS much, though I know IIS has improved in the last couple iterations. Dunno if either started internally or externally.
So you are saying Microsoft bought Apache, Oracle, Apple, Sony, Nintendo, Novel and a few other companys that you listed there.
Last I check, Microsoft didt take or use any of those products you in making their own products. Try reading comprehension some time, it helps out a lot.
may I ask what in particular you are referring to?
OK, they make small improvements to things, btu yeah, the big changes are definetly taken (purchased or copied) from others.
Still, they have a habit of taking crap and actually making it pretty decent. At least to my experience.
How does this fit with this without creating a universe-shattinger paradox?
"people aren't interested in vista"
In the words of Carlos Mencia...
THAT'S NOT NEWS!
"based on" is never "is", based on implies changes to varying degrees.
Also, I thought earlier versions of OS X, at some point prior to X.4, they still had a microkernel. I know threads were actually added to the Kernel in X.4.
Having used both, I know OS X is not the same as FreeBSD, I much prefer the FreeBSD system to be honest, but that's just my not-so-humble oppinion.
What part of FreeBSD did Apple use I wonder? I thought userland was still pretty generic across BSD with only minor changes, the filesystem structure resembles that of FreeBSD less than Linux's, and as I said, FreeBSD never used Mach or any other microkernel to my knowledge.
It seems to me it's more of a sibling than a child.
quite true, but I'd prefer a way of saying "you can make money if you contribute back." It allows them to make money on it, but fairly. One more freedom to add to the mix.
that's the phrase, but most open source users/advocates seem to think "free as in beer" is something other than "not paying money", and "free as in freedom" contains "not paying money", as well as some obscure subset of the standard definition of "freedom"
I for one cant wait for our teraflop processing, cooking/water-heating AMInteD Core Optron Extreme Duo X2 overlords!
May I ask what you mean by "pre-integration"? It doesn't sound like my reason for using BSD over Linux...
Yeah, I mostly could care less what /.ers think in their oppinions. While the news is interesting, and the commentary is often amusing, in the end, I find I go for what works, not what looks good. Certain groups of /.ers tend to follow certain trains of thought that appear noble or righteous, but often ignore many aspects of reality.
I'd like to find your rational for that statement. OS X is based off of the Mach Microkernel. The FreeBSD people, to my knowledge, never bought into the idiotic "Microkernel on a multipurpose OS" hype.
Additionally, I'm pretty sure MacOS came out before January 2003 When FreeBSD 5.0 was released
Actually, according to Wikipedia, though not the best source available, it was based on OPENSTEP/NEXTSTEP. This also reports the release as 1999/2001 depending on version.
I wouldn't.
:-)
I'd prefer my current OS of choice to remain relatively safe. If everyone in the world used it, then people would bother to hack it more. Let them keep their sucky OSes
See my point? All that extra cost for stuff you won't use... It's not a selling feature, it's a detractor.
I'd go with one Linux and one BSD, give your customers more options.
The reason for this is that both have thigns that they are quite good at, and both have things they lack.
I'd probably say one of the following for Linux:
Fedora (popularity, but it's bloated, probably not good for an embedded solution), Ubuntu (more friendly/reliable IMO), and Gentoo (more reliable than the other two in my oppinion, friendlier in some ways, less so in others).
it'd have to be lower... it said "half the wavelength", in TFA, assuming 2 meters for a person (thats a bit over), This site (http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-wavelengt h.htm) suggests that 85.75hz is what is needed. Using 6 feet people (12 foot wavelengths), we get 93.8hz
See, now doesn't that just look a lot nicer now?
the key word is just
The PS3 and XBox360 do a lot more, not just gaming.
because Nintendo is the one console I don't see as a competetor for 3rd place in this race, N will get 1st or 2nd I suspect.
oooh, that is a good point. Sorry, the human brain is wired poorly and often if all the letters are there, and the first and last letters are correct, you won't notice the misspelling. Especially with two relatively similar letters transposed.
hehehehe