This more or less is one step away from the music industry filing a complaint against someone for remembering, and whistling to a melody under their copyright.
I do believe that the correct response to this is to simply ignore all products coming out of the MAFIAA companies. No purchases, no pirating, nothing. Maybe ignoring them totally is a lesson they will learn from.//Svein
I'm afraid that what this means effectively, is that they are tired of being blocked by the use of applications like peerguardian, which more or less blocks them from seeing that the actual piracy is taking place.
They want to be able to use the fact that the tracker has you listed as a peer at one time, as "evidence" of attempted piracy, and thus convict you based on this alone.
What is more worrisome, is that given the current situation where the USofA are abusing the extradition rights to extradite people for breaking american laws when never having been to the US, this will only lead to more abuses towards the entire world.
Maybe it's time to block ALL american ip's at the border routers of the civilized world?//Svein
Since the rest of the world must now logically consider all traffic going through US routing points as compromized, I expect every carrier that has links going into United Surveillance of America to mark these links as having a higher network cost than any other link.
The solution is to route traffic AROUND the USA, and to make sure that all communications into this country is limited to the mere minimum.
This country has now gone so far under the excuse "The war on terror", they are starting to resemble another self-imaged power that fell in 1945.
Maybe it's time for politicians worldwide to require UN sanctions on this police-state?//Svein
Actually, this story has surfaced atleast twice before. The first two times it raised a whole lot of "noise" over the privacy issues. This time they are saying the "local" (i.e. end-user-site) software will cook down the audio to an identifying hash for what program the TV is running.
i.e. what they want is fingerprinting of the audio for tv channels, and prolly radio channels, or maybe even what kind of music you are listening to.
To me this sounds a bit "far fetched". Especially since they have "two" options:
1. Record everything and make the fingerprinting done centrally. This is NOT a good way, and would basically mean that google (with the help of a subpoena) can be turned into a house-listening-plan in every home around the world. I think NSA are laughing with delight at this idea.
2. Do the fingerprinting on the users machine. This means a lot of transfers done, upfront, for it to work. It still raises some privacy issues, since the fingerprints can be seeded with talk-phrases the NSA wants to search for in speech.
As for the technology to do this, it's pretty much around already (on windows, that is), if they do it with java or activex. Guess this is one more reason to remember to DISABLE the microphone in your mixer.
The privacy-issues around this is a nightmare, especially since google could be selling off recognized voice-patterns coupled with address (see: track down of IP) to sales-people. Imagine this: "They are talking about Airbus, you might want to visit their firm" sold to Boeing, etc.
Even if they SAY they are only going to listen for tv-channels, the temptation to fingerprint other phrases WILL be large. Especially if several federal agencies are running them down with subpoenas requiring them to look for "terrorism phrases", such as "democratic elections".
Now, I'm not sure this story is valid, since the previous two occurrences of it was seen in online-rags know for their poor record of checking facts. However there are several thing to give it credibility:
It has a named person in google that is supposed to have said this.
It has surfaced several times, over a period as long as a year, every time with more detail of the implementation.
However, I think this would be a very dangerous gamble for google to play. If they implemented this WITHOUT telling the customers, and someone happened to find out (and they would. Someone WOULD leak it!), they could just kiss their revenue goodbye.
Google DEPENDS on internet users using THEIR service to search the web. If internet users distrust coming NEAR their services, google would be essentially worthless. Google needs us to trust them.
If they did this openly, it might just float, until us federals started leaning on google. Then google could basically kiss every non-republican-us-user goodbye. See above for result.
Both of these scenarios points in the direction of this not coming anytime soon.
Google did not acquire their market position by being stupid, or ignorant about the users. They KNOW that doing this "behind the users back" will be the same as killing their own business. They KNOW that of they can implement this in a way that the users trust, the US federal offices will subpoena google to abuse this new listening tool for other uses, and the same thing would happen. This is why they will be very reluctant to even try this out.
So unless the service was voluntary, and EASY to deinstall, I doubt it would surface at all.//Svein
Huh?
I'm running a Thinkpad R52 with no more room for future expansion (2G of ram), and I've NEVER EVER seen that message.
However, on several machines (not my own) I've seen a lot of other suspend/resume issues. Normally these aren't caused by network applications that discover they're no longer on the correct network, but by simple "office"-products and lookalikes that sets up "hotkeys" and messes up the keyboard control. Thus adding more interrupts to the suspend process, and sometimes totally blocking a resume, since the keyboard in a laptop is always re-initialized upon resume, and a lot of these small critters severly dislikes having the keyboard in the hardware enumeration disappear, then reappear.
The normal solution to this, is to run software that actally works, and to work as an END USER, not a USER WITH ADMIN PRIVILEGES.
Running your windows box in admin-mode is pretty stupid anyways, about the same level as using "root" for a primary account in unix. If you really needs admin privileges, use "run as" instead.//Svein (Who has never had suspend/resume problems on a non-apple machine)
Hmmm Didn't Maxtor purchase Quantum's disk storage divison some time back? It could be that this is a "Quantum Fireball", just trying to live up to its name:)//Svein
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This more or less is one step away from the music industry filing a complaint against someone for remembering, and whistling to a melody under their copyright. I do believe that the correct response to this is to simply ignore all products coming out of the MAFIAA companies. No purchases, no pirating, nothing. Maybe ignoring them totally is a lesson they will learn from. //Svein
I'm afraid that what this means effectively, is that they are tired of being blocked by the use of applications like peerguardian, which more or less blocks them from seeing that the actual piracy is taking place. They want to be able to use the fact that the tracker has you listed as a peer at one time, as "evidence" of attempted piracy, and thus convict you based on this alone. What is more worrisome, is that given the current situation where the USofA are abusing the extradition rights to extradite people for breaking american laws when never having been to the US, this will only lead to more abuses towards the entire world. Maybe it's time to block ALL american ip's at the border routers of the civilized world? //Svein
Strangely this statement is not listed on their press-releases page? //Svein
Since the rest of the world must now logically consider all traffic going through US routing points as compromized, I expect every carrier that has links going into United Surveillance of America to mark these links as having a higher network cost than any other link. The solution is to route traffic AROUND the USA, and to make sure that all communications into this country is limited to the mere minimum. This country has now gone so far under the excuse "The war on terror", they are starting to resemble another self-imaged power that fell in 1945. Maybe it's time for politicians worldwide to require UN sanctions on this police-state? //Svein
Actually, this story has surfaced atleast twice before. The first two times it raised a whole lot of "noise" over the privacy issues. This time they are saying the "local" (i.e. end-user-site) software will cook down the audio to an identifying hash for what program the TV is running. i.e. what they want is fingerprinting of the audio for tv channels, and prolly radio channels, or maybe even what kind of music you are listening to. To me this sounds a bit "far fetched". Especially since they have "two" options: 1. Record everything and make the fingerprinting done centrally. This is NOT a good way, and would basically mean that google (with the help of a subpoena) can be turned into a house-listening-plan in every home around the world. I think NSA are laughing with delight at this idea. 2. Do the fingerprinting on the users machine. This means a lot of transfers done, upfront, for it to work. It still raises some privacy issues, since the fingerprints can be seeded with talk-phrases the NSA wants to search for in speech. As for the technology to do this, it's pretty much around already (on windows, that is), if they do it with java or activex. Guess this is one more reason to remember to DISABLE the microphone in your mixer. The privacy-issues around this is a nightmare, especially since google could be selling off recognized voice-patterns coupled with address (see: track down of IP) to sales-people. Imagine this: "They are talking about Airbus, you might want to visit their firm" sold to Boeing, etc. Even if they SAY they are only going to listen for tv-channels, the temptation to fingerprint other phrases WILL be large. Especially if several federal agencies are running them down with subpoenas requiring them to look for "terrorism phrases", such as "democratic elections". Now, I'm not sure this story is valid, since the previous two occurrences of it was seen in online-rags know for their poor record of checking facts. However there are several thing to give it credibility: It has a named person in google that is supposed to have said this. It has surfaced several times, over a period as long as a year, every time with more detail of the implementation. However, I think this would be a very dangerous gamble for google to play. If they implemented this WITHOUT telling the customers, and someone happened to find out (and they would. Someone WOULD leak it!), they could just kiss their revenue goodbye. Google DEPENDS on internet users using THEIR service to search the web. If internet users distrust coming NEAR their services, google would be essentially worthless. Google needs us to trust them. If they did this openly, it might just float, until us federals started leaning on google. Then google could basically kiss every non-republican-us-user goodbye. See above for result. Both of these scenarios points in the direction of this not coming anytime soon. Google did not acquire their market position by being stupid, or ignorant about the users. They KNOW that doing this "behind the users back" will be the same as killing their own business. They KNOW that of they can implement this in a way that the users trust, the US federal offices will subpoena google to abuse this new listening tool for other uses, and the same thing would happen. This is why they will be very reluctant to even try this out. So unless the service was voluntary, and EASY to deinstall, I doubt it would surface at all. //Svein
Huh? I'm running a Thinkpad R52 with no more room for future expansion (2G of ram), and I've NEVER EVER seen that message. However, on several machines (not my own) I've seen a lot of other suspend/resume issues. Normally these aren't caused by network applications that discover they're no longer on the correct network, but by simple "office"-products and lookalikes that sets up "hotkeys" and messes up the keyboard control. Thus adding more interrupts to the suspend process, and sometimes totally blocking a resume, since the keyboard in a laptop is always re-initialized upon resume, and a lot of these small critters severly dislikes having the keyboard in the hardware enumeration disappear, then reappear. The normal solution to this, is to run software that actally works, and to work as an END USER, not a USER WITH ADMIN PRIVILEGES. Running your windows box in admin-mode is pretty stupid anyways, about the same level as using "root" for a primary account in unix. If you really needs admin privileges, use "run as" instead. //Svein (Who has never had suspend/resume problems on a non-apple machine)
Hmmm Didn't Maxtor purchase Quantum's disk storage divison some time back? It could be that this is a "Quantum Fireball", just trying to live up to its name :) //Svein