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Public Library vs. Public School
"The three assumptions for home schooling are that it is inherently preferable for a parent to stay home to be there for the kids if they are needed, and that school as it is now is a negative influence the children who parents want to bring them up in a morale world. The third, and more controversial, is that 12 years of schooling is overkill. "
There is a lot more complexity to this than that, although you make some good points.
I'd rather see a "basic income" for all than paying people to be responsible parents, neighbors, or friends.
http://www.basicincome.org/bien/aboutbasicincome.htmlHome-based and community-based education is often about reclaiming family and community from institutionalization.
http://johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/16a.htm
"Before you can reach a point of effectiveness in defending your own children or your principles against the assault of blind social machinery, you have to stop conspiring against yourself by attempting to negotiate with a set of abstract principles and rules which, by its nature, cannot respond. Under all its disguises, that is what institutional schooling is, an abstraction which has escaped its handlers. Nobody can reform it. First you have to realize that human values are the stuff of madness to a system; in systems-logic the schools we have are already the schools the system needs; the only way they could be much improved is to have kids eat, sleep, live, and die there."It certainly is true that unhealthy habits may get passed from kid to kid in schools (they are probably the easiest places to buy addictive drugs, for example). There are other addictive and unhealthy things passed on too at schools, even if they may originate elsewhere:
http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/article16.aspx
http://www.chefann.com/
http://www.paulgraham.com/addiction.html
http://www.amazon.com/War-Play-Dilemma-Childhood-Education/dp/080774638X
http://www.amazon.com/So-Sexy-Soon-Sexualized-Childhood/dp/0345505077But public school can be seen as inherently immoral in part because it rests on a premise of unneeded violence through coercion.
http://www.educationrevolution.org/blog/educating-children-in-a-violent-world/Contrast a "public" school with a "public" library, where many peopel throught the ages have learned a lot without someone grading them or monitoring everything they learned or forcing them to read certain books on a certain fixed schedule.
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/3a.htm
"One way to see the difference between schoolbooks and real books like Moby Dick is to examine different procedures which separate librarians, the custodians of real books, from schoolteachers, the custodians of schoolbooks. To begin with, libraries are usually comfortable, clean, and quiet. They are orderly places where you can actually read instead of just pretending to read.
For some reason libraries are never age-segregated, nor do they presume to segregate readers by questionable tests of ability any more than farms or forests or oceans do. The librarian doesn't tell me what to read, doesn't tell me what sequence of reading I have to follow, doesn't grade my reading. The librarian trusts me to have a worthwhile purpose of my own. I appreciate that and trust the library in return.
Some other significant differences between libraries and schools: the librarian lets me ask my own questions and helps m -
Re:Just Think
The price of crude is pretty consistent around the globe, as are the fixed costs of refining said crude to gasoline and other products. Your fuel prices are the same as the US's. What is different is that your government taxes gasoline at about 200%, $6 per gallon. Strip out all the taxes and gasoline costs around $3 a gallon virtually everywhere on earth.
They had the right idea back in '78, The Price of Oil and Natural Gas Should Be Regulated by the Fed. Govt.
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One good book
about this subject (historical propaganda retouching) is titled "The Commisar Vanishes". New copies are a bit pricey but lots of example photo pairs are online.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Commissar-Vanishes-Falsification-Photographs/dp/0805052941
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Re:What if they are right?
The relationship between simulation and simulator isn't necessarily arbitrary, but it's probably not understandable by the simulation. That is in effect (among) what Goedel's incompleteness theorems say.
No, actually that has nothing to do with what Godel's theorems say.
You might want to read this: http://www.amazon.com/Godels-Theorem-Incomplete-Guide-Abuse/dp/1568812388
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Re:What if they are right?
"going to hell" means a real death sentence at the time we get unplugged from this virtual reality.
But that's alright because then you get to go to hell and be unplugged from that virtual reality.
The problem is infinite regression. Simply put, it's turtles all the way down.
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Another Translation:
I'm guessing: The U.S. Secretary of Defense has no knowledge of computer technology whatsoever, except what he learned from his children. But he wants to be cool, seem knowledgeable, get his name in the news, and get government contracts for associates, so he put his name on a scary memo written by his staff, who also have such associates.
That's a guess, but it seems a likely guess given the fact that technically knowledgeable people use different language and recommend examination of code for security problems and sloppiness.
Some of those who want government corruption want continuous war because government "defense" contracts provide easy profits, and it is easy to keep corruption secret.
If they get easy money, the corrupters don't care who is killed, what lives and property are destroyed, or how much money is wasted. For example, the book Funding the Enemy: How U.S. Taxpayers Bankroll the Taliban provides a huge amount of detail about a small part of the corruption.
Divide the cost to the U.S. taxpayer of just the war in Afghanistan ($574,624,781,538) by the population of Afghanistan (35,320,445). The U.S. taxpayer has already paid 16,268 hard-earned dollars for every man, woman, and child in Afghanistan. The results: Mostly, things are worse.
If those who want corruption can't get the taxpayers to pay for killing other people, they want "cyber war". See, for example, Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks Against Iran.
The U.S. government has invaded or bombed 27 countries since the end of the 2nd world war.
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Re:Well, that explains it
lol you think the US 'lured' Japan into attacking Hawaii? Seriously?
Hrm, the gp said 'lured'. The oil embargo created the conditions where Japan wanted to seize the oil fields of the Dutch East Indies. Roosevelt said this himself. Then he moved the only fleet that could stop them from San Diego to Honolulu. They had radio intel on Japanese movements and kept some of that info from the Navy by Presidential order. (see some good comments here or buy the books)
Roosevelt wanted war and had big trouble selling it (both matters of fact) and these conditions got him an attack which got him what he wanted.
But that doesn't mean the Japanese had to maintain their empire or that the People had to accept a Japanese attack on Hawaii as a reason to go to war in Europe. Plenty of blame to spread around, but one can't cast Roosevelt as completely surprised or ignorant of the conditions in the region.
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That comparison was almost as offensive as
Pearl harbor was a national tragedy where a lot of good men and women died, some very nice ships sank, and we officially entered WWII. Let's not forget how many died in our response bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
I get that a "Cyber-Pearl-Harbor" is meant to imply we'll get caught with our pants down, but then why not just say that instead of a comparison that effectively equates the deaths of the good citizens and soldiers of Pearl Harbor to a hard drive crash.
Find a better analogy. Preferably something without the word "cyber".
Anyone interested in an eleven year old's perspective of the real bombing of Pearl Harbor might care to read "I Survived #4: I Survived the Bombing of Pearl Harbor, 1941". When you're done reading it go ahead and imagine him saying "Dad the hard drive crashed because I opened an email attachment from an unknown sender".
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That comparison was almost as offensive as
Pearl harbor was a national tragedy where a lot of good men and women died, some very nice ships sank, and we officially entered WWII. Let's not forget how many died in our response bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
I get that a "Cyber-Pearl-Harbor" is meant to imply we'll get caught with our pants down, but then why not just say that instead of a comparison that effectively equates the deaths of the good citizens and soldiers of Pearl Harbor to a hard drive crash.
Find a better analogy. Preferably something without the word "cyber".
Anyone interested in an eleven year old's perspective of the real bombing of Pearl Harbor might care to read "I Survived #4: I Survived the Bombing of Pearl Harbor, 1941". When you're done reading it go ahead and imagine him saying "Dad the hard drive crashed because I opened an email attachment from an unknown sender".
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Here's one
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Re:Servers
That's why you should always check Amazon and Tiger as well as the egg, if one don't have it the other two probably will. If you still need some Amazon has the 6272 for $520 which for a 16 core ain't bad. But I don't understand why they had to lower projections when they have had trouble keeping enough chips in the channel. Did they think they could make 3 times more than they could? Did GloFlo screw them again? Who knows.
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For 40+ year olds
Well, that was fun. Further confirmation to store my post in an editor before trusting SlashDot to correctly process my submission.
My post is directed for those at 40 and older. At this point you should have had offspring, which I think (both biologically and ethically) is significant.
1. John Gardner has written a number of books on how to evaluate fiction. In order to judge a piece of art, you have to have a framework in which to evaluate the piece.
2. As others have mentioned, Zen and the Art of Motorcyle Maintenance is a good read on determining values. I think it is better to read this book than relying on the Tao of Pooh, as someone else recommends. Also, it is worthwhile to remember that Pirsig's son killed himself.
3. Also, as others have mentioned, GEB is a must-read for programmers.
At 40, we're at the halfway point; we're thinking about mortality, and our legacy. If we're not parents, we've spent considerable time thinking about why we're not parents.
Though not a book, I've been extremely impressed by film> .
A couple of books I think are relevant for 40+ year old readers:
1. http://www.amazon.com/Soldier-Great-War-Mark-Helprin/dp/0156031132/
2. http://www.amazon.com/Sunlight-Dialogues-John-Gardner/dp/0811216705I think both Atlas Shrugged & the Bible are worth reading, at the least to have the background to discuss them intelligently.
I was about to recomment the Harvard reading list, when I went out to confirm what it actually was. The irony is that the Google searching
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~sica/reading.htmdoes not in any way match what it used to be:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Whole-Five-Feet-ebook/dp/B00280MWSS/One thought is to read the Pulitzer/Hugo/Nebula/etc. books. IMO, though, the recent winners do not have the same quality as those written, say, 30 years ago.
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For 40+ year olds
Well, that was fun. Further confirmation to store my post in an editor before trusting SlashDot to correctly process my submission.
My post is directed for those at 40 and older. At this point you should have had offspring, which I think (both biologically and ethically) is significant.
1. John Gardner has written a number of books on how to evaluate fiction. In order to judge a piece of art, you have to have a framework in which to evaluate the piece.
2. As others have mentioned, Zen and the Art of Motorcyle Maintenance is a good read on determining values. I think it is better to read this book than relying on the Tao of Pooh, as someone else recommends. Also, it is worthwhile to remember that Pirsig's son killed himself.
3. Also, as others have mentioned, GEB is a must-read for programmers.
At 40, we're at the halfway point; we're thinking about mortality, and our legacy. If we're not parents, we've spent considerable time thinking about why we're not parents.
Though not a book, I've been extremely impressed by film> .
A couple of books I think are relevant for 40+ year old readers:
1. http://www.amazon.com/Soldier-Great-War-Mark-Helprin/dp/0156031132/
2. http://www.amazon.com/Sunlight-Dialogues-John-Gardner/dp/0811216705I think both Atlas Shrugged & the Bible are worth reading, at the least to have the background to discuss them intelligently.
I was about to recomment the Harvard reading list, when I went out to confirm what it actually was. The irony is that the Google searching
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~sica/reading.htmdoes not in any way match what it used to be:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Whole-Five-Feet-ebook/dp/B00280MWSS/One thought is to read the Pulitzer/Hugo/Nebula/etc. books. IMO, though, the recent winners do not have the same quality as those written, say, 30 years ago.
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For 40+ year olds
Well, that was fun. Further confirmation to store my post in an editor before trusting SlashDot to correctly process my submission.
My post is directed for those at 40 and older. At this point you should have had offspring, which I think (both biologically and ethically) is significant.
1. John Gardner has written a number of books on how to evaluate fiction. In order to judge a piece of art, you have to have a framework in which to evaluate the piece.
2. As others have mentioned, Zen and the Art of Motorcyle Maintenance is a good read on determining values. I think it is better to read this book than relying on the Tao of Pooh, as someone else recommends. Also, it is worthwhile to remember that Pirsig's son killed himself.
3. Also, as others have mentioned, GEB is a must-read for programmers.
At 40, we're at the halfway point; we're thinking about mortality, and our legacy. If we're not parents, we've spent considerable time thinking about why we're not parents.
Though not a book, I've been extremely impressed by film> .
A couple of books I think are relevant for 40+ year old readers:
1. http://www.amazon.com/Soldier-Great-War-Mark-Helprin/dp/0156031132/
2. http://www.amazon.com/Sunlight-Dialogues-John-Gardner/dp/0811216705I think both Atlas Shrugged & the Bible are worth reading, at the least to have the background to discuss them intelligently.
I was about to recomment the Harvard reading list, when I went out to confirm what it actually was. The irony is that the Google searching
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~sica/reading.htmdoes not in any way match what it used to be:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Whole-Five-Feet-ebook/dp/B00280MWSS/One thought is to read the Pulitzer/Hugo/Nebula/etc. books. IMO, though, the recent winners do not have the same quality as those written, say, 30 years ago.
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Vineland, by Thomas Pynchon
First read it twenty years ago, liked it so much I put it on my car where it remains to this day.
I'll be the first to admit it's not for everyone, much like Pynchon in general I suppose, or even the supposed "best" of his catalog, but it certainly was for the book for me. There is also a sequel of sorts called Inherent Vice, not bad. -
Vineland, by Thomas Pynchon
First read it twenty years ago, liked it so much I put it on my car where it remains to this day.
I'll be the first to admit it's not for everyone, much like Pynchon in general I suppose, or even the supposed "best" of his catalog, but it certainly was for the book for me. There is also a sequel of sorts called Inherent Vice, not bad. -
Re:The Space Child's Mother Goose.
Amazing. I just ordered this online. Apparently the book not only has the quantum hen, but its in multiple languages. I particularly liked the french version of the rhyme.
Plusque-Posible ma poule noire
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Tricks of the Game-Programming Gurus
This book kicked off my game development career 18 years ago.
Tricks of the Game-Programming Gurus
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Getting Things Done
Getting Things Done, by David Allen
The best $10 you can spend on yourself as a knowledge worker.
This book changed my life, both professionally and personally. -
Introducing Neuro-Linguistic Programming
http://www.amazon.com/Introducing-NLP-Psychological-Understanding-Influencing/dp/1855383446
I found it less useful for influencing people and more useful for understanding how the mind functions. Language is a very powerful tool once you understand how to leverage it for your benefit. Of course once you know how the mind functions, you can begin to tailor your communications for maximum impact.
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Illustrating Basic - Donald Alcock
It may seem crude and irrelevant today but had I not read that book sometime in the late 70s / early 80s I would not be:
Typing this post on slashdot
Sitting in front of this computer
Living in this country(It remains to be seen if any of the above are good things...)
http://www.amazon.com/Illustrating-BASIC-Donald-G-Alcock/dp/0521217032
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Three That Immediately Pop Into My Mind...
- "Different Hours" by Stephen Dunn
- "Into The Wild" by Jon Krakauer
- "Tuesdays With Morrie" by Mitch Albom
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Three That Immediately Pop Into My Mind...
- "Different Hours" by Stephen Dunn
- "Into The Wild" by Jon Krakauer
- "Tuesdays With Morrie" by Mitch Albom
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Three That Immediately Pop Into My Mind...
- "Different Hours" by Stephen Dunn
- "Into The Wild" by Jon Krakauer
- "Tuesdays With Morrie" by Mitch Albom
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Don't get me started...
To understand the richness and power of the English language you need to know both Shakespeare and the King James Bible.
Re-discover American pulp fiction.
Here are three mammoth, affordable, 1,000+ page paperback anthologies to get you started, all edited by Otto Penzler:
The Big Book of Adventure Stories
The Black Lizard Big Book of Pulps
The Black Lizard Big Book of Black Mask StoriesHistory as narrative.
Francis Parkman : France and England in North America {2 vols)
This Republic of Suffering: Death and the American Civil War
The Guns of August and The Proud Tower
A.J. Liebling: World War II WritingsAdler
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Don't get me started...
To understand the richness and power of the English language you need to know both Shakespeare and the King James Bible.
Re-discover American pulp fiction.
Here are three mammoth, affordable, 1,000+ page paperback anthologies to get you started, all edited by Otto Penzler:
The Big Book of Adventure Stories
The Black Lizard Big Book of Pulps
The Black Lizard Big Book of Black Mask StoriesHistory as narrative.
Francis Parkman : France and England in North America {2 vols)
This Republic of Suffering: Death and the American Civil War
The Guns of August and The Proud Tower
A.J. Liebling: World War II WritingsAdler
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Don't get me started...
To understand the richness and power of the English language you need to know both Shakespeare and the King James Bible.
Re-discover American pulp fiction.
Here are three mammoth, affordable, 1,000+ page paperback anthologies to get you started, all edited by Otto Penzler:
The Big Book of Adventure Stories
The Black Lizard Big Book of Pulps
The Black Lizard Big Book of Black Mask StoriesHistory as narrative.
Francis Parkman : France and England in North America {2 vols)
This Republic of Suffering: Death and the American Civil War
The Guns of August and The Proud Tower
A.J. Liebling: World War II WritingsAdler
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Don't get me started...
To understand the richness and power of the English language you need to know both Shakespeare and the King James Bible.
Re-discover American pulp fiction.
Here are three mammoth, affordable, 1,000+ page paperback anthologies to get you started, all edited by Otto Penzler:
The Big Book of Adventure Stories
The Black Lizard Big Book of Pulps
The Black Lizard Big Book of Black Mask StoriesHistory as narrative.
Francis Parkman : France and England in North America {2 vols)
This Republic of Suffering: Death and the American Civil War
The Guns of August and The Proud Tower
A.J. Liebling: World War II WritingsAdler
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Don't get me started...
To understand the richness and power of the English language you need to know both Shakespeare and the King James Bible.
Re-discover American pulp fiction.
Here are three mammoth, affordable, 1,000+ page paperback anthologies to get you started, all edited by Otto Penzler:
The Big Book of Adventure Stories
The Black Lizard Big Book of Pulps
The Black Lizard Big Book of Black Mask StoriesHistory as narrative.
Francis Parkman : France and England in North America {2 vols)
This Republic of Suffering: Death and the American Civil War
The Guns of August and The Proud Tower
A.J. Liebling: World War II WritingsAdler
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Don't get me started...
To understand the richness and power of the English language you need to know both Shakespeare and the King James Bible.
Re-discover American pulp fiction.
Here are three mammoth, affordable, 1,000+ page paperback anthologies to get you started, all edited by Otto Penzler:
The Big Book of Adventure Stories
The Black Lizard Big Book of Pulps
The Black Lizard Big Book of Black Mask StoriesHistory as narrative.
Francis Parkman : France and England in North America {2 vols)
This Republic of Suffering: Death and the American Civil War
The Guns of August and The Proud Tower
A.J. Liebling: World War II WritingsAdler
-
Don't get me started...
To understand the richness and power of the English language you need to know both Shakespeare and the King James Bible.
Re-discover American pulp fiction.
Here are three mammoth, affordable, 1,000+ page paperback anthologies to get you started, all edited by Otto Penzler:
The Big Book of Adventure Stories
The Black Lizard Big Book of Pulps
The Black Lizard Big Book of Black Mask StoriesHistory as narrative.
Francis Parkman : France and England in North America {2 vols)
This Republic of Suffering: Death and the American Civil War
The Guns of August and The Proud Tower
A.J. Liebling: World War II WritingsAdler
-
Don't get me started...
To understand the richness and power of the English language you need to know both Shakespeare and the King James Bible.
Re-discover American pulp fiction.
Here are three mammoth, affordable, 1,000+ page paperback anthologies to get you started, all edited by Otto Penzler:
The Big Book of Adventure Stories
The Black Lizard Big Book of Pulps
The Black Lizard Big Book of Black Mask StoriesHistory as narrative.
Francis Parkman : France and England in North America {2 vols)
This Republic of Suffering: Death and the American Civil War
The Guns of August and The Proud Tower
A.J. Liebling: World War II WritingsAdler
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Don't get me started...
To understand the richness and power of the English language you need to know both Shakespeare and the King James Bible.
Re-discover American pulp fiction.
Here are three mammoth, affordable, 1,000+ page paperback anthologies to get you started, all edited by Otto Penzler:
The Big Book of Adventure Stories
The Black Lizard Big Book of Pulps
The Black Lizard Big Book of Black Mask StoriesHistory as narrative.
Francis Parkman : France and England in North America {2 vols)
This Republic of Suffering: Death and the American Civil War
The Guns of August and The Proud Tower
A.J. Liebling: World War II WritingsAdler
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Re:How to win friends and influence people
On a related note - "How to Talk so Kids will Listen, and Listen so Kids will Talk" is also a pretty good book on communication.
Geared towards working/talking with children, but a lot of the stuff they talk about works quite well in the business world.
For that matter, some of Covey's "7 Habits" advice is very good regarding communication - lots of geeks let you get 2 words out, and then assume they know all about your problem, already know the solution, and can't wait for you to shut the fuck up so they can dazzle you with their brilliant solution to a problem you haven't even begun to explain. This turns out to be a large part of why geeks tend to be unpromotable and avoided like the plague.
David Allen's Getting Things Done (GTD) book(s) are pretty good for some practical advice and techniques for managing a crazy workload, as well.
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Re:As far as technical books are concerned...
This for certain. I own a copy of this book and read it quite a few times.
The other one that holds that honor is http://www.amazon.com/Michael-Abrashs-Graphics-Programming-Special/dp/1576101746
I learned a tremendous amount from this book on how to optimize code. It's say it's shaped my whole programming viewpoint.
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Journey of the Software Professional
It's a rather surprising one, but the one I keep going back to, and which has influenced my career quite a bit is Journey of the Software Professional: The Sociology of Software Development by Luke Hohmann.
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The Last Lecture
The Last Lecture by Randy Pausch.
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Re:I'll give you more than one
The Bible.
Nah
.. forget the Bible .. Read The X-rated Bible instead. It cuts out all the boring bits, plus has some great factual analysis on the original verses. -
Why not the Bible? Re:Not the Bible.
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Why not the Bible? Re:Not the Bible.
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Why not the Bible? Re:Not the Bible.
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Theory X, Theory Y
Douglas McGregor, The Human Side of Enterprise, 1960. http://www.amazon.com/Human-Side-Enterprise-Annotated-Edition/dp/0071462228/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350075633&sr=8-1&keywords=the+human+side+of+enterprise
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Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid
Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid
http://www.amazon.com/G%C3%B6del-Escher-Bach-Eternal-Golden/dp/0465026567
This book taught me more about coding (and recursion, and all sorts of other concepts) than any language-specific book I've read. I carried it around for a couple of years, making my way through as I could. Highly recommended.
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As far as technical books are concerned...
...I love Black Art of 3D Game Programming: Writing Your Own High-Speed 3D Polygon Video Games in C http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1571690042/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
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Re:no
This perspective is thoroughly rebutted in The Case for Christ and The Reason for God.
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Re:no
This perspective is thoroughly rebutted in The Case for Christ and The Reason for God.
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Re:Reminds me of the ``Biotron'' ads from the '70s
I'm in the Pacific Northwest (PNW), so my two main sources of information are these two books by Steve Solomon and Carol Deppe. Depending on your climate Elliot Coleman has good advice. I don't know about other climates. I'm using organic practices, so my advice isn't useful for those going the conventional route.
In the PNW the ground doesn't freeze, so some microorganisms aren't killed off like they are elsewhere. This means after gardening about three years in the same spot the ground becomes far less productive. So... best practice is to let the ground lie fallow for a year to starve out the bad microorganisms, which increases your land requirements.
Replenishing the soil in terms of fertilizer can be challenging if one is going the self-sufficiency route.
Raising meat requires add'l land, and coming up with self-sufficient animal food requires even more land. I'm raising poultry and find that in my climate ducks are the most self-sufficient, followed by geese. Goats are able to forage a bit. I do pigs, too, and while they do forage and consume all our scraps, they require external feed.
We are simply not able to grow certain staples such as rice. We're gluten-free, so wheat is out for us, but anyone trying to be self-sufficient who consumes white flour is in for a hard time. If growing grain, do you count fuel in your self-sufficiency? If not, are you using oxen?
Given our family's needs, I think three-four acres would do it (taking rotation into account), but we're not aiming for total self-sufficiency. This assumes shipping in animal feed. That said, I think fruit trees can be a significant source of food without requiring a bunch of input.
Given the realities of property taxes I don't think self-sufficient farming is possible except in areas well away from population centers where land/taxes are dirt cheap. It also takes a lot of work. There's a big learning curve, too. If you're thinking about raising your own food, get started (even on a small scale). This isn't something you can pick up by reading a few books... -
Re:Reminds me of the ``Biotron'' ads from the '70s
I'm in the Pacific Northwest (PNW), so my two main sources of information are these two books by Steve Solomon and Carol Deppe. Depending on your climate Elliot Coleman has good advice. I don't know about other climates. I'm using organic practices, so my advice isn't useful for those going the conventional route.
In the PNW the ground doesn't freeze, so some microorganisms aren't killed off like they are elsewhere. This means after gardening about three years in the same spot the ground becomes far less productive. So... best practice is to let the ground lie fallow for a year to starve out the bad microorganisms, which increases your land requirements.
Replenishing the soil in terms of fertilizer can be challenging if one is going the self-sufficiency route.
Raising meat requires add'l land, and coming up with self-sufficient animal food requires even more land. I'm raising poultry and find that in my climate ducks are the most self-sufficient, followed by geese. Goats are able to forage a bit. I do pigs, too, and while they do forage and consume all our scraps, they require external feed.
We are simply not able to grow certain staples such as rice. We're gluten-free, so wheat is out for us, but anyone trying to be self-sufficient who consumes white flour is in for a hard time. If growing grain, do you count fuel in your self-sufficiency? If not, are you using oxen?
Given our family's needs, I think three-four acres would do it (taking rotation into account), but we're not aiming for total self-sufficiency. This assumes shipping in animal feed. That said, I think fruit trees can be a significant source of food without requiring a bunch of input.
Given the realities of property taxes I don't think self-sufficient farming is possible except in areas well away from population centers where land/taxes are dirt cheap. It also takes a lot of work. There's a big learning curve, too. If you're thinking about raising your own food, get started (even on a small scale). This isn't something you can pick up by reading a few books... -
Re:Reminds me of the ``Biotron'' ads from the '70s
I'm in the Pacific Northwest (PNW), so my two main sources of information are these two books by Steve Solomon and Carol Deppe. Depending on your climate Elliot Coleman has good advice. I don't know about other climates. I'm using organic practices, so my advice isn't useful for those going the conventional route.
In the PNW the ground doesn't freeze, so some microorganisms aren't killed off like they are elsewhere. This means after gardening about three years in the same spot the ground becomes far less productive. So... best practice is to let the ground lie fallow for a year to starve out the bad microorganisms, which increases your land requirements.
Replenishing the soil in terms of fertilizer can be challenging if one is going the self-sufficiency route.
Raising meat requires add'l land, and coming up with self-sufficient animal food requires even more land. I'm raising poultry and find that in my climate ducks are the most self-sufficient, followed by geese. Goats are able to forage a bit. I do pigs, too, and while they do forage and consume all our scraps, they require external feed.
We are simply not able to grow certain staples such as rice. We're gluten-free, so wheat is out for us, but anyone trying to be self-sufficient who consumes white flour is in for a hard time. If growing grain, do you count fuel in your self-sufficiency? If not, are you using oxen?
Given our family's needs, I think three-four acres would do it (taking rotation into account), but we're not aiming for total self-sufficiency. This assumes shipping in animal feed. That said, I think fruit trees can be a significant source of food without requiring a bunch of input.
Given the realities of property taxes I don't think self-sufficient farming is possible except in areas well away from population centers where land/taxes are dirt cheap. It also takes a lot of work. There's a big learning curve, too. If you're thinking about raising your own food, get started (even on a small scale). This isn't something you can pick up by reading a few books... -
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I think you're overstating the problem somewhat. There is certainly a very visible group who are doing as you say, and they may even form a majority of contemporary Christians in the United States. This is covered in considerable detail in books like Bad Religion and Counterfeit Gods. But the fact that those who call themselves Christians are failing to live up to the message of Christ in no way diminishes that message. In fact it only confirms that we are unable to live up to the standards God has established and are in need of a Savior.
Furthermore, if you take a look at Christian communities in persecuted areas such as India, China and predominantly Muslim countries, I think you will see that ideal being worked out much more closely to that which Christ intended than in areas where persecution of Christian belief is rare.