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Mod me down for going counter to public opinion but you can still freely use your computer without sourcecode.

You are entirely correct. But the open source zealots who help give open source a bad name and strengthen Microsoft's cause would like you to believe otherwise.

This is some good trolling here - not sure why I've decided to bite anyway...

Any movement is defined, at least partially, by its fringe. This is true whether you're talking politics, (go Rush!) Religion, (go Misionaries!) or software. (go Debian!)

You can be very selective, and choose political conservatives who believe in aliens, and that the government is infecting the population with AIDS through airplane exhaust. (Google for comtrails produces this)

It would be very hard to say that conservatives are all about comtrails, aliens, and government conspiracy. Yet, some of the more vocal ones are.

Are you going to see me making a video card from sand? Come on, pal. You're being more fringe in your comments about the fringe than they were in the beginning!

OSS DOES benefit you, even if not immediately. Parent post mention that having the source for Apache doesn't help in any way. Except that it does:

1) Having the source freely available puts lots of plusses on the "supply" side of the economic scale, meaning the costs for obtaining the software will always be low.

2) Having the source freely available creates a culture of mods and patches, which make it much more likely that you'll be able to get much-needed features without having to commission your own software company.

3) Open source software can persist long after the original group or sponsor quits. Thus, we have evolution and ximian, and to a lesser extent, Mozilla. Oh, and don't forget the Firebird DBMS. How many sponsors has PostgreSQL had over the years?

Another example: Microsoft discontinuing VB 6. A stable, workhorse of a programming environment, the "upgrade" was in fact a wholy different language. Without the marketroids running the show, the OSS solution would have been a fork of the codebase, leaving enterprise users free to continue to develop and improve the VB6 codebase.

None of this is new - it's been said many times before. Oh well. You trolled, I bit. I guess you got what you wanted...

NASA stops stealing money from hard-working Americans for their lies. Moon landing, especially with the technology of 35 years ago? Don't make me laugh.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm

I fail to see how otherwise intelligent Slashdotters could fall for this obvious crock of shit. It's even worse than creationism!

Say you don't want to be drafted in the inevitable draft that comes when we invade Iran and/or North Korea: sorry we'll catch you at any border you try to use. "The Border" includes every international airport and seaport also. This gives DHS infinite power at any of these.

Say you've decided you've had enough US policies and decide to move you, your family and your assets out of the US? With this they can stop you, imprison you and yours, take all your property, and you have zero recourse. What do you think all those "concentration camps" in Kalifornia are for?

"But any money that come in (no matter how) is good money for they peoples over there in tsunami land."

Unless that money goes to the Red Cross, yeah.

You chose poorly...

The Red Cross should be cut out of all funding after the way they handled this. See if you can get your money back and donate to some more trustworthy organization.

I would agree with your model, to a certain degree.

The part I would disagree with is about star formation. For you see, it would take tremendous pressure to compress gas into a star. I have read calculations before which stated it would take around twenty stars exploding near each other to create enough pressure for a new star to form. I agree, these calculations may not be accurate, but still, I am sure it would take more that one star, and at that rate someday all the stars will be gone! (Not good for your model) :-) In Fact, I belive that this alone would disprove Stellar evolution, because it is impossible to explain the origin of the stars without some theoritical, unprovable idea such as the oort cloud (Imagined to exist as it's the only way evolutionists can explain the existence of commets after the some {a bunch of billions} of years that the universe has supposedly undergone since its creation)

Anyway, my theory is that God created all the stars along with the rest of creation, and, because of man's sin (See genesis for details), the stars have been dying out ever since.


P.S. Funny you chould mention the oklahama bombing.... http://www.apfn.org/apfn/okc_coverup.htm

Jeff skilling born and raised in Texas
Ken lay was in texas since he was in 20's, but born in MO.
Richard A Causey was educated at UT-A (I believe that he is a true native)
This was a pure Texan-Style Accounting that goes for the easy marks.

Incidentally, this bit:

...a judge...complained that a man with a criminal record who landed in his courtroom was sending malicious e-mail. The harasser was complaining to the judge about such minutia as the fringe on the American flag hanging in his courtroom.

was interesting to me. This sounds like the oft-repeated assertion that a US flag with a fringe in a courtroom means that you're under Admiralty law, not the law of the United States, and that anyone who appears before that court has lost most of their rights. Of course, They don't want you to know this...or that England still owns the US, or that there is a subtle yet vitally important difference between the United States and the United States of America that means you are 0wn3d by the government...

I tell you, there are worlds upon worlds of free entertainment out there on the Internet.

I have a feeling that when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt didn't read about pet goats for ten minutes.

No, because he knew the Japanese were going to attack from intelligence reports months in advance, and realized he needed to permit Japan to launch the attack in order to change US opinion about going to war with the French and Brits.

At least that's what many historians and experts have said - with more credibility than any Michael Moore film.

So what would you do if someone whispered into your ear: "A plane has just crashed into one of the the World Trade center buildings" - grab the nuclear football and cut loose? Run for cover? Tell the children they're all gonna die? Remember your history that planes have crashed into skyscrapers before, such as the B-29 bomber that went into the Empire State Building, and go about being a president while your people gather data?

Real leaders do not react, they make rational, planned, proactive decisions. Study military history: history's military leaders always chose their battleground, rather than let their opponent select it for them. In this one moment, we all had an unrehearsed opportunity to realize Bush wasn't some legislative parrot like Kerry and Edwards, but a leader of the executive branch.

After you prosecute Halliburton* and every other US defense, technology and financial company for doing the same thing for 150 years or so and to the tune of trillions of dollars - come to think of it, isn't that the whole thing that the Bush Administration doesn't want people to know from Moore's 911? Come on, when the bribe you were caught giving was 180 million how many and for how much were there that didn't get publicized - it would be like saying there is only one bug because it is the only one that was reported.

* How about today I saw a blurb on Bloomberg news that Halliburton and others are using their offices in the Cayman Islands so they could make deals with countries that the US labels as "terrorist"

Brown and Root's Candidate
Most Unpatriotic US Company
Halliburton to stop Soldier's emails during 2004 summer
Empty trucks crossing Iraq to increase profits
Libyia
The Dresser merger also raised ethical questions. The United States had concluded that Iraq, Libya, and Iran supported terrorism and had imposed strict sanctions on them. Yet during Cheney's tenure at Halliburton the company did business in all three countries. In the case of Iraq, Halliburton legally evaded U.S. sanctions by conducting its oil-service business through foreign subsidiaries that had once been owned by Dresser. With Iran and Libya, Halliburton used its own subsidiaries. The use of foreign subsidiaries may have helped the company to avoid paying U.S. taxes.
and on and on...
Halliburton: We like third world people - for slaves
mining and oil are controlled by a small elite group that know no national boundaries

Right. The tin-foil hat is cutting off the circulation in your brain.

You should check out this website, it's like an html version of Farenheit 9/11 (it gets funnier the deeper you read).

Man... I'm trying to remember... the one about the meeting place in California where all the top world politicians go... oh yes... the Bohemian Grove

Although mainly propagated (sp?) by Alex Jones, who is somewhat of a nut, the hidden video he got of it is very interesting, to say the least.

I mean... on one hand, you have these Pagan type rituals being performed at night, on the other hand you have picutres of Bush Jr./Sr., Cheney, major Dems and Reps., and many other world leaders and major political/business heads there during the day.

This site has the MP3s from the show when Alex Jones was on. It was very interesting to say the least.

Some more info: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Grove.htm

Man... I'm trying to remember... the one about the meeting place in California where all the top world politicians go... oh yes... the Bohemian Grove

Although mainly propagated (sp?) by Alex Jones, who is somewhat of a nut, the hidden video he got of it is very interesting, to say the least.

I mean... on one hand, you have these Pagan type rituals being performed at night, on the other hand you have picutres of Bush Jr./Sr., Cheney, major Dems and Reps., and many other world leaders and major political/business heads there during the day.

This site has the MP3s from the show when Alex Jones was on. It was very interesting to say the least.

Some more info: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Grove.htm

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/radar.htm

A victim's widow's website, seeking 9-11 answers

A prior knowledge database and archive

David Schippers, impeachment prosecutor and ex mafia buster/ prosecutor, tries to get Ashcroft's attention to warn of pending imminent attack, gets ignored

Priot knowledge of impending attacks transmitted to US government by other governments, including by Putin: Financial ireregularities in airline stocks up to that day: other indications of government priot knowledge

LetsRoll911 extensive 911 archive and links section, along with logs showing who is interested in the site, worth a look

Fed agents ordered to NOT investigate terrorist ties once they get close to saudi arabi and bush family

More:FBI agent whistleblower tells he was blocked by "orders" from following terrorist money trail

Infowars.com 9-11 archive, the grand daddy of them all

There's lots more, LOTS more,any search engine out there is slap fulla links to news articles and views and dataon this subject. The above is just a small sample of the real info out there and the interest. I can guarantee you neither I, nor all these other people are going to "shut up" over this reichstagg-fire coup d'etat that took place.

But,thanks for the opportunity to reply! And it doesn't bother me a whit to be called names, or be disagreed with! After you have been beat, gassed, threatened with death, been lied about in court, had evidence planted, and various things like that...plus getting to know quite a few insiders in the system who are willing to talk off the record and clue you in to some *quite interesting things*, people who are honest people and true patriots... well ..anything someone on the net can say to you is sorta silly in the way of "hurt", as in "neener neener". It just won't work, but thanks for playing! Everyday, people all over the net are reading similar posts, and going to look for data for themselves. That's how it should be, take a gander at the evidence, see what ya think, it's the american way and stuff. And someone is going to read this, maybe not reply, but go look for themselves, and get hip. It's a good thing.

It has happened before, in the Inslaw/Promis Software Affair.

Oh yeah, that was a propietary app. Guess there's no security there either.

Apparently? It returned pictures, but was only apparently successful?

Are we suggesting that the Stardust mission was faked, like the moon landing?

Shocking. Will the lies never stop? Even more damning evidence found here.

They can't change what you run on your machines??? How about they just take your house instead??? American Patriot Friends Network

There were estimates a few years ago that the capacity was over two million. Part of me doesn't want to know what their capacity is currently.

The camps were set up as a part of operation Rex84 (search) in the 80s, established on the reasoning that if a mass exodus of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA.

Now that the Patriot Act and Patriot Act II move to establish anyone that breaks any law as a potential terrorist, it makes you wonder what they've got planned...

There's a lot of info on the net about these and other operations. A lot of the websites play the 'paranoid' card a little too strongly (*cough* alex jones*cough*), but I highly recommended you check out available info!

Some links:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/concentration.htm
http://www.c0balt.com/egg/insane.shtml

I'm not trolling, this is some serious shit, America!

No it doesn't, I'm afraid. I wish it did, but this is in fact quite deliberate.

By seeing something as overt as this but letting it go, the public is subconsciously, (and not even very subconsciously at that), chosing to accept subserviance. The level of overt control is raised slowly, and the public lets it go at each level, until they have attained a completly defeated slave mentality.

The aim of the current war being waged by government against Americans is not to overtly defeat the populace. It's to lead the populace into a state of self-defeat.

That's how it works. --If they push too far with one attack, (Like this MATRIX shit), and the people start getting rowdy, then they'll immediately pull back and say, "Sorry, Sorry. Didn't mean it, we won't do it. --Well, except for maybe these little parts here and here." And then they'll try again in two weeks with something else. You cannot get them to stop, and you will not be able to find a rational agreement through legislation, because the enemy is not seeking balance; it is seeking total domination and it will not stop pushing and pecking until it has achieved its ends. The public, though dull-witted, is for the most part 'good and reasonable' which means that it will continue to act in good faith. Psychopaths, like Bush are not human and so they will never act in good faith. It's like a diode. The current goes in one direction only. You don't play cards with psychos.

There are exactly three responses one can take to this kind of tactic:

1. Haul the heads of government out of their offices and hang them all for high treason.

2. Get out of the U.S. before they haul you out of *your* office and send you to a camp. (Here's another with site with some photos, --one including a shot of a placard with a date stamp, reading "Jun 00", presumably indicating a construction date shortly after Shrub's election. This particular set of photos is of an un-manned camp, hence the ability to take photos).

3. Sit on your ass and try to pretend that everything will work out okay until it's too late. See, "Why I did not leave Nazi Germany in Time".

-FL

But I doubt if guns can help America now anyway. I think our only defense against tryanny is education and voting. We have to educate ourselves and others on these issues, and we have to vote with our ballots and our dollars because our static two-party political system isn't going to allow any real change. The two parties pretend to be at each others throats but they mostly want the same things. The biggest difference lies in who their industry sponsers are.