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Theories on Indonesia and Pacifica abound
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suggested reading
Indo-European? I suggest you guys read Atlan.
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again?
The AP article can be found here, on CNN.
Just how often do we have to "solve" the mystery of Atlantis? When will the media accept that not every sunken city Atlantis, and that it probably isn't the last time that someone will find a site sunken by volcanic activity. Most of these discoveries are occuring in an area with large amounts of Volcanic activity, so doesn't it just make sense that these cities are there? -
Most compelling recent theory (IMHO) is...
That "Atlantis" referred to most of Indonesia, under the South China Sea, since it was a full continent rather than a bunch of islands during the last ice age. It's pretty novel, and I can't recall any other work putting forth this theory (ie, anything on TLC - heh).
A Brazillian Professor has a pretty informative site about this where he talks about his research. Since they added a forum, it seems that more other people than I realized have been following this as well.
How does this work, you say? Well, if you consider the mediterranian philosophy of flat earths and rings going out, they considered the "Atlantic Ocean" to be a sort of "world ocean", not the specific ocean we call it today. Plus, there are a whole other number of Atlantis "checklist items" that the area has in its favor that really don't exist in the Mediterranian or South America (ie, lots of elephants, dual rice harvests, etc...)
Anyway, now that it's posted... I'd be interesting in seeing some other Slashdotters' opinions about it.
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Most compelling recent theory (IMHO) is...
That "Atlantis" referred to most of Indonesia, under the South China Sea, since it was a full continent rather than a bunch of islands during the last ice age. It's pretty novel, and I can't recall any other work putting forth this theory (ie, anything on TLC - heh).
A Brazillian Professor has a pretty informative site about this where he talks about his research. Since they added a forum, it seems that more other people than I realized have been following this as well.
How does this work, you say? Well, if you consider the mediterranian philosophy of flat earths and rings going out, they considered the "Atlantic Ocean" to be a sort of "world ocean", not the specific ocean we call it today. Plus, there are a whole other number of Atlantis "checklist items" that the area has in its favor that really don't exist in the Mediterranian or South America (ie, lots of elephants, dual rice harvests, etc...)
Anyway, now that it's posted... I'd be interesting in seeing some other Slashdotters' opinions about it.
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Most compelling recent theory (IMHO) is...
That "Atlantis" referred to most of Indonesia, under the South China Sea, since it was a full continent rather than a bunch of islands during the last ice age. It's pretty novel, and I can't recall any other work putting forth this theory (ie, anything on TLC - heh).
A Brazillian Professor has a pretty informative site about this where he talks about his research. Since they added a forum, it seems that more other people than I realized have been following this as well.
How does this work, you say? Well, if you consider the mediterranian philosophy of flat earths and rings going out, they considered the "Atlantic Ocean" to be a sort of "world ocean", not the specific ocean we call it today. Plus, there are a whole other number of Atlantis "checklist items" that the area has in its favor that really don't exist in the Mediterranian or South America (ie, lots of elephants, dual rice harvests, etc...)
Anyway, now that it's posted... I'd be interesting in seeing some other Slashdotters' opinions about it.
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Most compelling recent theory (IMHO) is...
That "Atlantis" referred to most of Indonesia, under the South China Sea, since it was a full continent rather than a bunch of islands during the last ice age. It's pretty novel, and I can't recall any other work putting forth this theory (ie, anything on TLC - heh).
A Brazillian Professor has a pretty informative site about this where he talks about his research. Since they added a forum, it seems that more other people than I realized have been following this as well.
How does this work, you say? Well, if you consider the mediterranian philosophy of flat earths and rings going out, they considered the "Atlantic Ocean" to be a sort of "world ocean", not the specific ocean we call it today. Plus, there are a whole other number of Atlantis "checklist items" that the area has in its favor that really don't exist in the Mediterranian or South America (ie, lots of elephants, dual rice harvests, etc...)
Anyway, now that it's posted... I'd be interesting in seeing some other Slashdotters' opinions about it.
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Most compelling recent theory (IMHO) is...
That "Atlantis" referred to most of Indonesia, under the South China Sea, since it was a full continent rather than a bunch of islands during the last ice age. It's pretty novel, and I can't recall any other work putting forth this theory (ie, anything on TLC - heh).
A Brazillian Professor has a pretty informative site about this where he talks about his research. Since they added a forum, it seems that more other people than I realized have been following this as well.
How does this work, you say? Well, if you consider the mediterranian philosophy of flat earths and rings going out, they considered the "Atlantic Ocean" to be a sort of "world ocean", not the specific ocean we call it today. Plus, there are a whole other number of Atlantis "checklist items" that the area has in its favor that really don't exist in the Mediterranian or South America (ie, lots of elephants, dual rice harvests, etc...)
Anyway, now that it's posted... I'd be interesting in seeing some other Slashdotters' opinions about it.
=) -
Most compelling recent theory (IMHO) is...
That "Atlantis" referred to most of Indonesia, under the South China Sea, since it was a full continent rather than a bunch of islands during the last ice age. It's pretty novel, and I can't recall any other work putting forth this theory (ie, anything on TLC - heh).
A Brazillian Professor has a pretty informative site about this where he talks about his research. Since they added a forum, it seems that more other people than I realized have been following this as well.
How does this work, you say? Well, if you consider the mediterranian philosophy of flat earths and rings going out, they considered the "Atlantic Ocean" to be a sort of "world ocean", not the specific ocean we call it today. Plus, there are a whole other number of Atlantis "checklist items" that the area has in its favor that really don't exist in the Mediterranian or South America (ie, lots of elephants, dual rice harvests, etc...)
Anyway, now that it's posted... I'd be interesting in seeing some other Slashdotters' opinions about it.
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Lost Treasure of AtlantisSome useful links to go with this:
History Of Atlantis Atlan is a pretty good summary,
Searching for Atlantis
Interesting account of the hunt throughout history, Lbr> possibly the most important info:Atlantis was said to be a land of fruitful plains, extensive timber, rich flora and fauna, and great herds of elephants. According to the story, the ground was seamed with gold, silver and other metals including a mysterious one called orichalcum. This was a copper that sparkled like fire, according to Plato
Sounds like Orichalcum would make a cool pc case
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Lost Treasure of AtlantisSome useful links to go with this:
History Of Atlantis Atlan is a pretty good summary,
Searching for Atlantis
Interesting account of the hunt throughout history, Lbr> possibly the most important info:Atlantis was said to be a land of fruitful plains, extensive timber, rich flora and fauna, and great herds of elephants. According to the story, the ground was seamed with gold, silver and other metals including a mysterious one called orichalcum. This was a copper that sparkled like fire, according to Plato
Sounds like Orichalcum would make a cool pc case
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Boy can the BBC get it wrong!!!
It is in the East Indies Though I like the South America ideas better. The East Indies have ALL the right stuff.
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Ahead of the game
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Too vague
All I seem to find on this guy is links to buy his book on his "discovery". Great for him. What's his background ? What are those scientific clues he's talking about ? This all seem too vague to be taken as granted right now. Besides, there are so many theories about Atlantis that it'll take more than that to convince me...
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Historians should be replaced or work with paleontologists, and especially geologists. Myths from various places speak of Atlantis, we know or heed only the Europeans and Egyptians.
I think this site actually explains it here. If any person has a National geographic dec 1981 undersea map of the undersea world (or some other with similar detail), It is apparent that the 'horse shaped, volcanic land, which sunk leaving the chain of isles called Eldorado or Suvarna-dvipa (the latter is the sanskrit name for Indonesia, the source of the word serendip, both mean isles or cities of Gold), after 40 or so days of continous ash rich downpour and a Flood following the rise of sea-level by about 500 mts by melting ice at the pleistocene extinction, following a huge volcanic eruption, much larger than the one in Krakatoa in the last century (which was similarly devastating)' is indeed Indonesia. It is apparent that Nahu (or Manu or Noah or whatever) tried to escape this land in his boat, with all his lifestock in posession, and sailed, following the monsoon winds of India.
The antiquity and importance of Indian culture cannot be underestimated. Soon it will be proved that the so called Aryans (spiritual people in Sanskrit, not the totally distorted meaning taken by Nazism), actually came from the sunken parts of Indonesia. That the four river paradise of Danu (or Daneus or Adam) lies beneath the south China sea (four rivers are visible in undersea maps), that what is stated in the Puranas and Vedas (which always compare the land of Varuna as the Horse) of India are at least partly true both scientifically (geographically ) and historically and other sources like the Genesis are summaries of these. That the Greeks and other Indo-European races migrated from India and settled elsewhere. That the Egyptians actually migrated from East India (from references in Indian texts of Embalming of bodies after death by groups in East India. These groups were out of favour in the region and driven away. Also Egyptians and some East Indian villagers worship(ped) a cat headed Goddess of theologically the same type, called Pasht or Sashti).
This city also has significance. It certianly isn't the only one out there, there are others which are older than the oldest cities in the world (the oldest is dated 7000BC, which is quite unbelievable!!). The people who lived here in the Rig Vedic period when the Vedas were written, were called as Panis in the Vedas (Pani meant traders in sanskrit, people of materalistic virtues). These Panis held large port cities like Dwarka, near the site of the sunken cities. These people traded with the middle east and colonized it (They could be ancestors of the middle-eastern people), using it as an intermediate point for trade between the Indies and the Mediterranian.
This area was at the mouth of a large seasonally flooding river, the revered Saraswati, which is extinct today but has left its traces. This river brought a large amount of silt and flooded very heavily (more than any river today - If the geological structure called the Indus and Ganges Fan, in the seas around India, visible in ocean floor maps, indicate enough). It must have been considered a pilgrimage for people to travel up this river to the spiritual land near its source. This along with earthquakes, caused the cities to sink. The most famous is described in the Mahabharata - the great Hindu Epic - the sinking of Dwarka (traditionally dated 3078BC ). This, along with the drying up of the Saraswati, forced them to search for another promised land. These same Panis were called the Poeni by Greeks and we know the better as Phoenicians. Those people who remained in India are still called Vanis (if they are traders).
Plato said that Atlantis sank 9000 years before him (600BC). The date then is 9600BC. The Matsya Purana which describes the story of Manu (apparently whose real name was Nahu, since his descendents are described as Nahusha in the Vedas) and the flood, dates the flood at 9600BC. The Great Pleistocene Extinction which wiped out most large plains animals in America (apparently by the striking of tidal waves), signalling the end of the Great Ice Age, melting ice leading to the rising of sea level, took place EXACTLY in 9600BC
Homer descibes the sinking of the 'Greatest Ciy of the Phoenicians' 3000 years before him. Apparently he refered to the sinking of Dwarka, and Bet Dwarka, whose pier is still the largest in the world.
Historians should remember that Earth is the second most geologically active body in the solar system, and get an idea of the earth at a particular time and place before tackling history of that place and period.
Think about it!! All this won't make full sense until you look at an oceanfloor map, visit www.atlan.org, have a basic idea of hindu myths(I got mine from comic books:) and read some of the Indocentric books on history. All these sources are independant and don't make full sense, but taken together, you will get a revolutionary idea of history that confirms with all your beliefs, whichever culture you belong to, geology and climate, and also many other answers that are considered 'mysteries' , like that of Easter Island.
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Neither!!
Historians should be replaced or work with paleontologists, and especially geologists. Myths from various places speak of Atlantis, we know or heed only the Europeans and Egyptians.
I think this site actually explains it here. If any person has a National geographic dec 1981 undersea map of the undersea world (or some other with similar detail), It is apparent that the 'horse shaped, volcanic land, which sunk leaving the chain of isles called Eldorado or Suvarna-dvipa (the latter is the sanskrit name for Indonesia, the source of the word serendip, both mean isles or cities of Gold), after 40 or so days of continous ash rich downpour and a Flood following the rise of sea-level by about 500 mts by melting ice at the pleistocene extinction, following a huge volcanic eruption, much larger than the one in Krakatoa in the last century (which was similarly devastating)' is indeed Indonesia. It is apparent that Nahu (or Manu or Noah or whatever) tried to escape this land in his boat, with all his lifestock in posession, and sailed, following the monsoon winds of India.
The antiquity and importance of Indian culture cannot be underestimated. Soon it will be proved that the so called Aryans (spiritual people in Sanskrit, not the totally distorted meaning taken by Nazism), actually came from the sunken parts of Indonesia. That the four river paradise of Danu (or Daneus or Adam) lies beneath the south China sea (four rivers are visible in undersea maps), that what is stated in the Puranas and Vedas (which always compare the land of Varuna as the Horse) of India are at least partly true both scientifically (geographically ) and historically and other sources like the Genesis are summaries of these. That the Greeks and other Indo-European races migrated from India and settled elsewhere. That the Egyptians actually migrated from East India (from references in Indian texts of Embalming of bodies after death by groups in East India. These groups were out of favour in the region and driven away. Also Egyptians and some East Indian villagers worship(ped) a cat headed Goddess of theologically the same type, called Pasht or Sashti).
This city also has significance. It certianly isn't the only one out there, there are others which are older than the oldest cities in the world (the oldest is dated 7000BC, which is quite unbelievable!!). The people who lived here in the Rig Vedic period when the Vedas were written, were called as Panis in the Vedas (Pani meant traders in sanskrit, people of materalistic virtues). These Panis held large port cities like Dwarka, near the site of the sunken cities. These people traded with the middle east and colonized it (They could be ancestors of the middle-eastern people), using it as an intermediate point for trade between the Indies and the Mediterranian.
This area was at the mouth of a large seasonally flooding river, the revered Saraswati, which is extinct today but has left its traces. This river brought a large amount of silt and flooded very heavily (more than any river today - If the geological structure called the Indus and Ganges Fan, in the seas around India, visible in ocean floor maps, indicate enough). It must have been considered a pilgrimage for people to travel up this river to the spiritual land near its source. This along with earthquakes, caused the cities to sink. The most famous is described in the Mahabharata - the great Hindu Epic - the sinking of Dwarka (traditionally dated 3078BC ). This, along with the drying up of the Saraswati, forced them to search for another promised land. These same Panis were called the Poeni by Greeks and we know the better as Phoenicians. Those people who remained in India are still called Vanis (if they are traders).
Plato said that Atlantis sank 9000 years before him (600BC). The date then is 9600BC. The Matsya Purana which describes the story of Manu (apparently whose real name was Nahu, since his descendents are described as Nahusha in the Vedas) and the flood, dates the flood at 9600BC. The Great Pleistocene Extinction which wiped out most large plains animals in America (apparently by the striking of tidal waves), signalling the end of the Great Ice Age, melting ice leading to the rising of sea level, took place EXACTLY in 9600BC
Homer descibes the sinking of the 'Greatest Ciy of the Phoenicians' 3000 years before him. Apparently he refered to the sinking of Dwarka, and Bet Dwarka, whose pier is still the largest in the world.
Historians should remember that Earth is the second most geologically active body in the solar system, and get an idea of the earth at a particular time and place before tackling history of that place and period.
Think about it!! All this won't make full sense until you look at an oceanfloor map, visit www.atlan.org, have a basic idea of hindu myths(I got mine from comic books:) and read some of the Indocentric books on history. All these sources are independant and don't make full sense, but taken together, you will get a revolutionary idea of history that confirms with all your beliefs, whichever culture you belong to, geology and climate, and also many other answers that are considered 'mysteries' , like that of Easter Island.
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Atlantis in the Indies/South China Sea (atlan.org)
A Portuguese academic has some rather interesting (and exhaustively researched) ideas on Atlantis, stating basically that the legends of Atlantis actually refer to the large area south of China, west of India, and near Indonisia which would have been an above-water continent during the last Ice Age. (There's a nice map available here. I wonder how close this is to the recent discovery?
The site overall is worth a look at http://www.atlan.org/
It's nice to see some of this guy's theories get validated! =) -
Atlantis in the Indies/South China Sea (atlan.org)
A Portuguese academic has some rather interesting (and exhaustively researched) ideas on Atlantis, stating basically that the legends of Atlantis actually refer to the large area south of China, west of India, and near Indonisia which would have been an above-water continent during the last Ice Age. (There's a nice map available here. I wonder how close this is to the recent discovery?
The site overall is worth a look at http://www.atlan.org/
It's nice to see some of this guy's theories get validated! =)