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On the Trail to Atlantis
Bifurcati writes "Scientists claim to have found the lost city of Atlantis, off the coast of Cyprus. They apparently have used sonar to detect the sunken landmass, and even identify geographical features. They seem confident, but all the same, I wouldn't go buying Atlantian artifacts on Ebay just yet."
I don't believe it: Atlantis was predicted to be found in 2012!
I thought SG-1 discovered Atlantis? BTW: I think this is my first post as a "first" post!
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This is interesting... I have heard other explanations for Atlantis... but the best one I've heard was on a Discovery channel (I think) special a few weeks ago. Apparently there is an island in the Meditterranean that was highly volcanic at one point, and kind of imploded on itself and caused massive tidal waves and such in the area... I think there's evidence in the surrounding area, but at the time of the documentary they hadn't managed to explore the crater yet. There was news of a rather advanced civilzation there for the time; running water, indoor plumbing, the kind of thing that would be rare in the ancient world -- not spaceships or anything. I tried to find an article on it online, but didn't come up with anything. I wonder if these news items are related (it seemed a very recently made documentary). The articles are rather light on info. Anyone else see this thing or know what I'm talking about? It could've been on one of the History channels too, because I watch those about 90% of the time.
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Don't they dicover it every summer? I mean right after interviewing the Loch Ness monster about Space Aliens?
Those Atlanteans must've been really stupid.. All that redundancy, and their cities still all sank...
As long as they are not going to find bunch of Oricalcum beads and start converting themselves to higher beings (or making nuclear bombs), good luck for them..
But the first thing I thought when I saw the news was the good adventure game by Lucasarts game.
Doesn't Disney already have rights to the place?
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They've found Atlantis, and Linux is set to overtake Windows within three years?
"Scientists" are also planning a trip up Mount Ararat to take photos of "Noah's Ark." I'd like a little verification that there ever WAS an Atlantis first.
Greek legend holds about as much proof for me as the Bible does proof there was a Noah's Ark, btw.
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They were using zero-point energy powered flying submarine Aurora-X to locate it. They also located ancient underwater nazy base destroyed by UFO crash nearby.
All I seem to find on this guy is links to buy his book on his "discovery". Great for him. What's his background ? What are those scientific clues he's talking about ? This all seem too vague to be taken as granted right now. Besides, there are so many theories about Atlantis that it'll take more than that to convince me...
Article from the Guardian with more details
Personally, I don't see this turning into much. Claims like this have been made before, without much coming of it. The details are short, which is generally not a good sign for something like this.
That's scary.
I was really holding out for Antarctica.
Of course, you need to have your salt handy when reading Hancock's books. But his theories are fun to think about, somewhat like winning the lottery.
According to Plato, Atlantis can be found westward of the "Heracles columns", Gibraltar. Atlantis location should be somewhere in the atlantic ocean, probably near Cuba.
I hope they find those infinite power crystal thingies down there.
As you noted, Santorini is the island that many people have thought was the inspiration of Atlantis.
However these scientists are talking about a different area that is connected to Cyprus - the link "seem confident" in the original talks about the location. It's about a mile underwater.
but even if he really did find it what good does that do us? I'd prefer that scientists spend time and effort researching things that benefit us today...like helping me find my remote control :P
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Coca cola plant, Delta hub.. oh Atlantis, right.
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In other news, sources close to the project reveal that their lead for locating the lost city of Atlantis was provided to them by insiders at the NID, a US civilian agency which monitors top-secret military and intelligence projects. Those sources also revealed their apprehension that the US president would appropriate the site and assign its exploration to an elite team of Air Force operatives who have been exploring other worlds during the past seven seasons and one feature film.
So how come Atlantis is still the lost city if people keep discovering it? :\
First of all "scientists..." in the parent is not accurate. 'Cording to his website, Robert Sarmast "studied aerospace engineering, philosophy and architecture in various US universities for years". In other words, he has no academic qualifications. Also, he's only one person.
Secondly, here's the deal with Atlantis:
The whole story comes from Plato. Plato liked to make sh!t up. You can't even take Platonic narratives as accurate representations of Greek mythology, let alone reality.
The point of the Atlantis story in the Timaeus and Critias is to make a political allegory. Trying to hunt for the "real Atlantis" is like trying to hunt for the "real Oceania" after reading 1984: it's not only dumb, it also misses the point.
Also, Atlantis was 'sposed to be beyond Gibraltar, not off Cyprus - hence the name "Atlantis", 'cause that's where Atlas was supposed to have been.
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Sure atlantis may have been a real place, but you have to do more than just *say* you found it.
Atlantis is nothing more then the combination of 2 events.
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1) The explosion of the volcano on the greek island Santorini, which sunk part of that island
2) The end of the Minoan civilization
http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/viewrecord
Quote:
" The eruption of Santorini in 1650 B.C. was one of the largest in the last 10,000 years...The eruption probably caused the end of the Minoan civilization on the island of Crete, and may be the source of the myth of Atlantis."
and
http://www.decadevolcano.net/santorini/santorin
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Think I'm stretching? Stop burying your head in the sand. This can't be just a coincidence.
Sarmast works in architecture, and describes himself as a "mythologist". He is very interested in "ancient mysteries". He supports himself by doing "odd jobs" and as his hobby studies "Atlantology" and travels. His "research" is privately funded.
What is pretty funny, is that his biography states he cooperates with "specialists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)". They even supplied him with "a digitized file of the existing raw data ... a document that was over 2,500 pages long". I can imagine the following conversation between two of those "specialists":
S1: "That crackpot is on the phone again."
S2: "Please, not now. Besides, it's your turn to talk to him."
S1: "Come on, I'm busy."
S2: "Just blow him off."
S1: "Then he'll just phone again in a few hours."
S2: "I have an idea. Let's give him some data that will really keep him busy for the next six months."
S1: "What data?"
S2: "Just give him everything."
S1: "But he won't be able to do anything with it. It's just raw data!"
S2: "That's the point. He's a crank. He has studied Atlantology, for Christ's sake. He is used to immerse himself in meaningless stuff!"
This is old news.
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Atlantis is a lost colony of the Ancients. There will be series about it starting around July, 22 episodes or so.
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I'm not convinced that "scientist" is an accurate description of the "US researcher" involved.
A google search for Robert Sarmast doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
I believe you're talking about the Minoan Civilization (very advanced folks) that were wiped out when Santorini exploded and sent a massive tidal wave into Crete.
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Scientists claim to have found the lost city of Atlantis, off the coast of Cyprus.
This has been speculated about for quite some time, as there are some ruins on Cyprus that "lead" into the ocean - pointing the way, if you will. However, I find it very hard to believe that Sarmast has located 48 of the 50 geographical features described by Plato. It would seem to me that the kind of upheaval described by Plato and other local legend would destroy quite a few more than 2 of those features.
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Maybe they'll find a tribe of darkskinned indianesque people with a beautiful, young whitehaird princess so that I can finally stop masturbating to disney animation. That'd be neat!
But just like Noah's Ark, Atlantis is a magnet for cranks and pseudo scientists. Forget painstaking archeological research - how many books have been and gone that supposedly pinpoint its exact location and toss in a few references to aliens and UFOs? We're in Graham Hancock territory here. I thought it was meant to be off Cuba only last year! Or perhaps not. We'll know more about this latest endeavour if / when a proper scientific paper appears to back it up. We'll know more when these supposed features are actually studied properly.
I reckon given a thousand years the kook brigade will be still looking for Atlantis, that is when they are not busy looking for Minas Tirith, Xanadu and Hogwarts.
What did he say about this? I don't think he likes his home land to be discovered and exposed to the public.
If they found an island, and were relatively isolated for hundreds of years, I wonder what technology they managed to create before they sunk (or blew themselves up)
I mean, it's only been a few hundred years since mankind (as we know it) has *really* advanced.
By advanced I mean 'looked for answers'
Imagine if a culture existed that had energy systems more advanced than our own.
I'm already busy selling premium swampland in Atlantis. You don't believe me? I'll throw in a bridge and a casino in Atlantis City. How about that?
Shucks. Have to go back to selling the Turkish parts of Cyprus to tourists...
They also said that about Shlieman until he found Troy and Mycenae, and Arthur Evans until he excavated Knossos and rubbed it under the archeological establishments noses. The latest example is Frank Goddio who's discoveries in Egypt of the sunken city of Herakleion seem set to make some archeologists and historians eat crow. The point of this little lecture is that sometimes these guys actually get it right and anybody who ridiculed them ends usp looking very, very, dumb. In light of what happened to Herakleion and other sunkens cities found in the around the world it must be considered quite possible that (once you strip away all the modern new age crap about Aliens) the 'Atlantis' legend is based on a real event just like the events of the Illiad and the most convincing location for 'Atlantis' that has been suggested so far is the Mediterranean.
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CowboyNeal must have splinters under his fingernails after finding this bit of "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters".
And just a few moments ago, I thought Atlantis was just off the coast of Cuba.
He's an impostor! I personaly guided Mr. Jones (from Indiana), to find the lost continent/city/state of Atlantis.
Then we moved it to Atlanta.
And it is true, even is Mr. Lucas claims is only a game!
I believe that Atlantis is really a reference to a global cilization that existed a long while back - that was brought to its knees by one or more natural catastrophes... Sites are being explored off the coast of India, Japan, Cuba, Ireland and in the Mediterranean... In other words, where the pre-Greek civilization dealt with Atlantis...they saw that part as it existed in the Med...where the Japanese tales refer to the Temple of Mu was their interface with Atlantis. And the Indian likewise... As explorers of past civilizations dig deeper and deeper - they are discovering that it is more and more likely that our current global trade and interaction is not the first in human history. Personally, I'm getting a real kick out of it... Assuming I'm right, sure would be nice to know what was the primary cause for it's breakdown or demise...asteroid? Volcanoes? Global Cooling? =8-)
I for one welcome our new Atlantian overlords back to reclaim their place as Masters of the World!
I remember thinking how cool Platechtonics was when you saw how all the continents not only fit together but also had corispondingly shaped underwater mountain ranges in between the seperated continents. The Mid-Atlantic shelf pretty much fits Africa into South America and the top half of America fits nicely into the top half of the shelf. But the middle section near the West Indies looks like some pieces of the continent are missing from the look of where the shelf is. This area was smack dab in the middle of Pangea at one point, maybe creating a lost Australian like island continent once the two major pieces started to go east and west leaving it in the middle of the ocean.
That explains so much.
Did they find Patrick Duffy's career whilst they were there?
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As I was writing this I found a good general overview site for Alantis which is a lot more readable than the wikipedia link. Atlantis Info Apparently the website was listed as one of the 50 best science sites by pop sci magazine, so despite it's conspiracy theory-esque look, it seems to be a credible source.
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Here is the official site.
Come on now...the theory I linked to is just as valid!
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Anybody else read "The Egyptian" (also as "Sinuhe") by Mika Waltari? (Original in Finnish, translated plenty.) It has a very good "artist's rendering" of life in Minos, albeit just in writing, but pretty vivid precisely because of that... (The guy must have been a genius.)
A self-styled "scientist" (not scientists) claims to think he might know where Atlantis is, and is about to start looking. That's not the same thing as having found it. The English gramtical construct "believes Atlantis found off Cyprus" means that he thinks it will be found there - ie, he thinks it's there - not that he has already found it.
The article is a whole 5 sentences, and is very clear.
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So, let me get this straight. So far this week, we've seen an article revisiting cold fusion as being possible now, and one that somebody's found Atlantis.
If I don't see one about Sasquatch being located coming up (and that he uses Linux) before the end of the week, I'm going to be terribly disappointed.
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Plato's work refers to the location of Atlantis as beyond the "The Pillars of Hercules" which is now known as the strait of Gibraltar. This is the gateway between the Mediterranean sea and the Atlantic ocean. This of course is quite far from Cyprus. According to measurements of the bottom of the sea, if the sea-level dropped by 100 metres, a new archipelago of islands would be exposed just beyond the straits of Gibraltar. This is a probable location for Atlantis.
As for the civilisation being more advanced, that could have been because they were on an island that was cut off from the mainland which was infested with barbarians. The islanders could then develop their technology in peace. Seeing that the story took place some 9000 years ago, even 7000 year old technology would seem advanced to outsiders. When the flood came, either everyone on the island drowned, or those that escaped did not manage to establish their advanced civilisation on the mainland (those pesky barbarians again).
Another theory about submerged civilisation being more advanced is that at the time of the end of the ice-age, the lands that are submerged now were more fertile than other lands. Climate models of India have shown that 10000 years ago, the part that is now above sea-level was a desert, and the part now below was fertile. The land could have been fertile because it had remained underwater so long before the last ice-age, and rivers could have been continuously been depositing sediments on the sea-floor. The fertile land encouraged agriculture which made the peoples more sedentary in nature, and thus more likely to become advanced. The people on the highland remained hunter/gatherers, were more nomadic, and consequently, did not develop as well.
I can't find links for everything offhand, but do have a look at Graham Hancock's web-site.
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Yeah, an awful lot of people back then were made to look very silly when Schliemann found the Tell that is reckoned to have been Troy (it might not have been though, there is no way to know for sure until we find the fuck off great big "Welcome to Troy" sign in the outskirts, which is unlikely to happen, given the techniques of Schliemann and those that followed him[1]). The tale of Atlantis does seem to be partly based on fact and partly allegorical, so there is some basis to the tale, as Plato got the tale from Aristotle, IIRC, who got the story from the Egyptian records. However Plato's Atlantis probably bears as much similarity to the "real" Atlantis as More's Utopia or Butler's Erewhon have to any real world location. The Santorini Hypothesis seems, to me, to be the most likely hypothesis, being the straw that broke the camels back and finally destabilised the trading circle of Mycenae, Minos, the Egytians and the Hittites. Given that the Minoans had been in decline for a long time before hand the eruption probably managed to finish off what remnants were left, and the loss of this trading partner dealt a fatal blow to the Myceneans(thus starting the Greek Dark Ages) and the Hittites. The Egyptians, being the only one of these civilisations to avoid a decline and survive until classical times, and also being anal retentive records keepers, would have recorded these events. Given that the Santorini event would have sent waves all the way to the Egyptian Mediterranean coast, it is not inconceivable that they would have conflated the freak waves with the sudden breakdown of their trading network, thus a civilisation sinking beneath the waves. Plato's Atlantis was pretty much made up, and the reason that he located it in the Atlantic rather than the Med is because, to the Greeks and even the Romans, the Atlantic was the edge of the world, so halfway between this world and the next, a suitable setting for the unlikeliest things to occur (see many Roman quotes about their then new colony of Britannia), so any "evidence" contained in Platos account of Atlantis is tenuous at best, as he was not telling a story to entertain and tell of the great deed of the Heroes of Old, as Homer was (oral traditions and epics such as that often have some basis in fact, such as the Irish epics and the Epic of Gilgamesh), he was telling the story to make a philosophical point, just like the rest of his dialogues. Oh, and to the spods who ask why it is called Atlantis if it was not in the Atlantic, its simple, the ocean was named for the place in the story rather than the other way round. I, personally, suspect that Sarmast is either another Von Daniken (a scummy chancer fleecing the fuckwits) or Berlitz(who is so full of shit that its surprising he hasn't had a rectal prolapse), but, without reading his Book(why no peer reviewed scientific paper I wonder, Schliemann submitted his shit for review, even though most people thought he was nuts), I couldn't conclusively try to blow him out of the water.
Did you have it's authenticity verified by a Sicilian?
Any civilization so advanced will surely leave footprints all over the earth. Suppose we destroyed ourselves in a nuclear war and then 10000 years from now new humanity evolved, there would be evidence. I am sure atlantis or whatever you call it would be just like the Babylon, Indus Valley or harrapan civilizations, maybe slightly more advanced, but this Zeus crap i do not believe.
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Someone has to say-it: 'Atlantis is in the Atlantic Ocean' just read Plato.
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The only existing written records which specifically refer to Atlantis where written by Plato
... how much do we KNOW about anything that happened 9000 years ago.. and we have a lot of technology to aid us now that did not exists during those times...
The story is about the conflict between the ancient Athenians and the Atlantians 9000 years before Plato's time. How likely is it that this actually exists?
Plato wrote about a conversation between Socrates, Hermocrates, Timeaus, and Critias.
How likely is it that any of those four people knew about a civilisation 9000 years before them
I don't believe that there is anything worth looking for.. but then again, just my opinion.. I accept the fact that I could be wrong, although I find this highly unlikely.
The alleged discovery has been greeted with barely concealed mirth by the Mediterranean island's tourism office.
At least the Atlanteans have a good sense of humor about all this.
who are those slashdot people? they swept over like Mongol-Tartars.
When its existence is confirmed as a dependence of Cyprus, will it be part of Europe as of tomorrow ?
Or perhaps, they should ask the Atlants through a referendum first.
Nah, I guess they will want to turn into one of those tax heavens...
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Academics have had it pinned to that location for a fair while now, mainly thanks to Plato's description of it. The interesting thing about this article, which is new news is that they've found a structure - now that's going to be very interesting.
Of course, I'm still waiting to hear about what is under the chamber of the Sphinx too.
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I've been to "mycenae" and it turns out they know diddly about the place, except for some mad german came in and found some mummies. He called one of the mummies "Agamemnon". This is tanatamount to saying you found Darth Vaders grave. Ridiculous.
Maybe it's a coincidence, but this article may provide an additional clue.
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There was a small article in Fortean Times, two months ago I believe, that was essentially a 'build your own Atlantis' where all you had to do was find some submarine structures that vaguely fit Plato's description and call it Atlantis.
Heck, there is even an entire magazine Atlantis Rising which discusses the all so many possible places for Atlantis to be.
Fundamentally, though, to claim Atlantis is inside the boundary of the Mediterranian Sea seems slightly faulty, but then again ancient civilizations were sketchy on detail regarding the regions that seemed lifetimes away. It would be like asking an American which side of Africa Zimbabwe is on.
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You all might find this an interesting reading on the subject.
As for the civilisation being more advanced, that could have been because they were on an island that was cut off from the mainland which was infested with barbarians. The islanders could then develop their technology in peace.
There is a small matter of things called 'boats', which have been used for tens of thousands of years. 'Barbarians' are rarely that barbaric and are usually pretty good at getting places.
It really is not worth taking Hancock seriously: He never goes for a simple explanation of things where there is a more complex one he can come up with, and he as never lets facts get in the way of a good story.
Now, maybe I'm just being an old fuddy-duddy, but it seems to me you can't land on Hispaniola and get away with calling it India for very long, no matter how exotic it looks.
Columbus landed in the Americas and called the natives Indians because he thought he landed in India. That seems to have withstood time. Even the Indians didn't try to change that. Giving a random name to stuff kinda funny. Now we call a group of people African Americans, although non of them come from or have even traveled to Africa. The term is even used for people who are not even American. Amazing.
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as Plato got the tale from Aristotle, IIRC,
Since Aristotle was Plato's pupil, the borrowing typically worked the other way around.
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Cyprus? Wasn't Atlantis supposed to be found somewhere else?
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well, did it come with a certificate of authenticity?
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Your post might have been more comprehensible had you used some paragraphs.
His far-fetched stories live on, but no one remembers his name.
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Atlantis is located on Antartica.
Literature from centuries ago mentions that from the location, all oceans of the world can be viewed. Antartica has such a view: Pacific (which can be broken into Pacific and Indian oceans) and the Atlantic ocean.
This is from the book "Gravity is a Push" by Walter Wright.
The gist of this aspect of the theories is that the axis of rotation of the Earth has changed. This is supported by modern science and archealogical evidence. If the axis of rotation was perpindicular to it's current position, Antartica would be on the Equator.
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Yeah, an awful lot of people back then were made to look very silly when Schliemann found the Tell that is reckoned to have been Troy (it might not have been though, there is no way to know for sure until we find the fuck off great big "Welcome to Troy" sign in the outskirts, which is unlikely to happen, given the techniques of Schliemann and those that followed him[1]).
The tale of Atlantis does seem to be partly based on fact and partly allegorical, so there is some basis to the tale, as Plato got the tale from Socrates[1], IIRC, who got the story from the Egyptian records. However Plato's Atlantis probably bears as much similarity to the "real" Atlantis as More's Utopia or Butler's Erewhon have to any real world location.
The Santorini Hypothesis seems, to me, to be the most likely hypothesis, being the straw that broke the camels back and finally destabilised the trading circle of Mycenae, Minos, the Egytians and the Hittites. Given that the Minoans had been in decline for a long time before hand the eruption probably managed to finish off what remnants were left, and the loss of this trading partner dealt a fatal blow to the Myceneans(thus starting the Greek Dark Ages) and the Hittites.
The Egyptians, being the only one of these civilisations to avoid a decline and survive until classical times, and also being anal retentive records keepers, would have recorded these events. Given that the Santorini event would have sent waves all the way to the Egyptian Mediterranean coast, it is not inconceivable that they would have conflated the freak waves with the sudden breakdown of their trading network, thus a civilisation sinking beneath the waves.
Plato's Atlantis was pretty much made up, and the reason that he located it in the Atlantic rather than the Med is because, to the Greeks and even the Romans, the Atlantic was the edge of the world, so halfway between this world and the next, a suitable setting for the unlikeliest things to occur (see many Roman quotes about their then new colony of Britannia).
So any "evidence" contained in Plato's account of Atlantis is tenuous at best, as he was not telling a story to entertain and tell of the great deed of the Heroes of Old, as Homer was (oral traditions and epics such as that often have some basis in fact, such as the Irish epics and the Epic of Gilgamesh), he was telling the story to make a philosophical point, just like the rest of his dialogues.
Oh, and to the spods who ask why it is called Atlantis if it was not in the Atlantic, its simple, the ocean was named for the place in the story rather than the other way round.
I, personally, suspect that Sarmast is either another Von Daniken (a scummy chancer fleecing the fuckwits) or Berlitz(who is so full of shit that its surprising he hasn't had a rectal prolapse), but, without reading his Book(why no peer reviewed scientific paper I wonder, Schliemann submitted his shit for review, even though most people thought he was nuts), I couldn't conclusively try to blow him out of the water.
[1] Not, as I said before Aristotle, I always get those two mixed up for some reason
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Humans had civilizations during 100,000 years of ice ages in ocean coastal towns now buried under 100s of feet of sea water and perhaps feet of sediment. The written word was yet to be invented, so it all counts as PREHISTORY, but oral histories were told and retold.
"Ring aound the rosy" is a child's sing-song from the black death age of Euope, still sung by children to this day, with hands clasped,in a circle, and at the end they "all fall down" in imitation of the sudden death recounted.
Stories still told to this day could date back to unknown past ice age civilizations that fought giant sea-water crocodiles and called them dragons, that circled the globe on a dare or as part of some religious mission for forgotten gods.
But one man's fantasy is as good as another's until we get EVIDENCE from the briny deep ancient shores we called home in an illiterate age.
Very interesting! I wonder if anyone's spotted a golden submarine around? It's probably some elaborate setup by Celine -- that old Hagbard is such a joker...
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The documentary Helike - the Real Atlantis claims the sunken city of Helike was the inspiration for Atlantis. The people behind the discovery have a website at www.helike.org
Greek mythology says Atlantis was a powerful nation whose residents were so corrupted by greed and power that Zeus destroyed it. --Reuters
The irony here is that it's being found (if it's found) at a time when the majority of people on the planet have been corrupted by greed.
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South of Cyprus, but between Cyprus and Syria? Well, between Cyprus and Syria lies Lebanon, so Atlantis must be Lebanon!! But wait! Lebanon is EAST of Cyprus, so the sinking of Atlantis/Lebanon is a metaphor for it attaching itself between Palestine and Turkey!!! Mystery solved!!!
Ok he found this through "sophisticated sonar imaging" where are those images? Where is the raw data to support his claims? Didn't Plato also describe it as bieng half way round the world? Granted at that time the "known world" was much smaller, but still.
He may have found some sunken island, but Atlantis.
Unless, could he have perhaps found the Stargate?
Seriously though. I think the closest we have gotten to finding this ficticious city, is the road in Bimini. That thing is just plain odd.
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Greek mythology says Atlantis was a powerful nation whose residents were so corrupted by greed and power that Zeus destroyed it.
Any parallel in current times?
The two dialogs of Plato's which describe Atlantis are the Timeaeus and Critias. It is on-line at: Atlantis
The Timeaeus only refers to Atlantis in two paragraphs. The Critias has a longer description, but it ends in the middle of the dialogue.
You can draw your own conclusions.
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I've always been fascinated by the legend, especially after reading the work trying to identify Thera (Santorini) as the origin of the legend, for a recent analysis of Thera see this transcript from the BBC..
Recently I studied up on Atlantis quite a bit trying to sort it out once and for all to my own satisfaction.
Just about every location on the face of the Earth has been nominated as a candidate for 'good' reasons. After wading through all of them and comparing them to Plato's accounts (Timeus and Critias) your head starts to spin a bit. Goddam confusing.
I looked at exactly what Plato said in his story to try and find if there was a possible consistent story, and any inconsistencies. I wont bore you with most of what I found but basically, Plato was very insistent that it was based on a true story, unusually so. However, even if we accept that it does not mean he didn't take extensive liberties even if there was an element of truth (e.g. legends of the destruction of Santorini).
Plato said a civilisation existed just beyond the Pillars of Heracles 9,000 years before Solon (about 11,600 years ago), which coincidently matches the end of the last ice age. But I've seen weirder coincidences. But it turns out the Pillars we know as the Pillars of Heracles (Hercules) were not the only ones, there were lots of them. So it could have been anywhere. And there are inconsistencies in the description of the island that translate into 'Plato made that bit it up' as far as I can see. But other bits seem, subjectively, to be not part of such reworking.
The trouble is if you start cutting out parts of the story you end with such a vague story it could refer to almost anywhere ... funnily enough one of the better suggested places for Atlantis is Indonesia .. heh heh. But I still think the story was influenced by real past events then dramatised for current political and social comment. The real influences could have been Thera and a more recent city, whose name I forget, that was destroyed by tidal wave and claimed ground liquefaction. I was starting to view the whole thing as just an invention of Plato using bits of stuff known from other cultures (try reading Herodotus sometime with an eye to look for bits you could use , there is a lot of source material for such a story) but then I saw that documentary on the BBC. Unfortunately, the website doesn't have one image I saw in the doco ... they showed a mural found at Akrotiri showing the form of the island before the eruption and it was in the form of a broken ring with a central island , and the main city was on the central island. Which would mean that if that is Atlantis then it has been vapourised , its gone, kaput. Interestingly this idea of access from the sea through rings of water to the central city is the way Plato describes the layout of Atlantis and the reference to hot springs etc means he thought it was volcanic. So maybe some legend did survive to Plato's time and made it into the story. As for whether such a large, relatively advanced civilisation existed as in the story, well just re-read your copy of "Guns, Germs and Steel" and tell me where the crops are ... zip. Only in the Middle East, no such continent as Atlantis would be big enough for the genetic diversity for major crops to arise. And the grains haven't shown up all over the place ... therefore no Atlantean culture.
Well I've ranted longer than I expected. Must say investigating this stuff was just sooo interesting and I came across some of the most amazing things. I guess I was most impressed by reading Herodotus, when I read it at school I skipped most of the leadup to the war, but the leadup describes just how incredible the ancient world was, amazing.
As for Cyprus. Gees gimme a break. Well I must admit that one thing that is mentioned in the legend is a metal called Orichalcum that in the s
Bitter and proud of it.
Both the Mediterranean and Black Sea appear to have been dry at times. The Strait of Gilbraltair is not very wide and periodic tectonic movements may have cut off the Atlantic. There are salt deposits on the Mediterranean floor, idicating dry periods. Ditto the Bosphrous strait into the Black Sea. Plus recent submarine surveys suggest village settlements deep into the Black Sea.
The problem with Mediterranean is the timing. The dary periods maybe a couple million years ago- too early for human culture. The Balck Sea is a better candiate with a dry period possibly just 20,000 years ago.
now they just need to predict if there are more dolphins and whales near atlantas, and then if so, they just need to follow the dead carcasses of said whales/dolphins.
Wasent it shown that sonar damages these creatures?
I was under the impression that Atlantis was only used as a fictitious example, a parable, from the early Greek philosophers, to teach the destruction of a socity to those who might not otherwise understand it.
The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
Has anyone here actually read Plato's Timaeus? The notion that Plato's account of Alantis is just a morality play doesn't wash. First, it is not presented as such in Timaeus. Second, it's not only Alantis who suffers calaimity.
Besides giving the providence of the legend, Plato makes as explicit a claim to the legend's reality as the literary form allows. Mind you, this is only a claim that it's a real legend, not that the legend is real.
Anyone actually interested in studying the legend should stick to Plato and ignore the later accretions.
It is interesting to note that, taking Plato straight and work back to the date of Alantis's demise comes to somehere around 9500 BC, which is also the nominal date of the end of the last ice age. Which ended very quickly, and the ice melt increased the ocean depth by up to 200 meters (last I read). The depth varies because where the land was covered by glaciers, the removal of the weight of the ice results in a rebound of the land.
Since there's nothing in Plato that claims that Alantis was "advanced", there is nothing in the legend that is inherently implausible.
I find it amusing that Atlantean technology always seemed to be 'better then what we have today' for the past thousand+ years. As our technology marches forward, so does Atlantis.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Re: your sig:
Matt Groening explains this in a Fresh Air interview. The idea was that Bart didn't respect his father, but worshipped a clown who looked exactly like him.
I believe this is the link. But he's been on several times, so you may have to listen to a couple to find the right one.
Nuclear Reactors Existed on Earth Two Billion Years Ago
So let me guess...so form of 'mankind' wiped itself out with a nuclear exchange way back when...
Pfft, Atlantis was easy. Now we need to find... the legendary lost city of *Atlanta*!
"Howdy, y'all!"
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
(From an undisclosed location) We commend and encourage all scientific research. The recent investigations of Atlantis and the Ark of Noah provide paths to the truth.
The only thing new in this world is the history that you don't know.[Harry Truman]
Go to Santorini for the best sunset you'll ever watch.
/. Where the truth
I've got to be free,
Atlantis, The Lost Empire is the best DVD I have in my small collection.
Assuming this isn't a hacked site--and it certainly looks OK--please note that that ABC News Online Australia article concludes:
"The alleged discovery has been greeted with barely concealed mirth by the Mediterranean island's tourism office."
Editorializing a bit, are we?
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So the strait of Gibraltar and Cyprus are both right along a line between the african and eurasian plates. See it here.
Earthquakes and volcanos are quite common along the tectonic plate lines, and I speculate that either an earthquake or a volcano could cause the sinking of an Island or even a coast (California someday). That seems more reasonable to me than this Antarctic argument. I admit that Antarctica hasn't been explored as much, but I suspect that it was cold long before man.
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Didn't conan find atlantis while he was fighting the minons of set?
here's one good example for you--the ancient 'computer' of Antikythera, which was found by divers in the Aegean sea in the 60s, and has been dated to be from arout 70-100 BC, which blew away earlier hypotheses about the technological capabilities of this early civilization--it was actually a astronomical/navigational device, based on an intricate gearing mechanism--modern scientists have been able to scan its internals, and recreate a working version--here's one link:http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/triton2.htm and there's a bunch more if you do a Google search....
I don't know if anyone will read down this far, but I've been itching to point out how the article tries to legitimize this claim by the use of the plural "Scientists" when in fact it seems to be just one dude who is saying this.
Maybe I'm insufficiently skeptical, but when I read that "Scientists" think something, that tends to imply things, like peer review, or even concensus, which are clearly not present here.
I first heard about this in the book Fingerprints of the Gods.
:P
It a very fascinating book, detailing the author's research on a past civilization, that may have lived on the antarctic continent. One of the ideas that he discusses is what the parent poster mentioned.
The meaning of "crustal displacement" is that it is possible that the entire crustal surface of the Earth may slide around from time to time, as a whole, over top of the soft mantle layer.
The explanation for this is that ice builds up at the poles. Huge ice structures, like what we have today. As anyone knows, when something is spinning rapidly it will tend to move its heaviest points outwards, towards the area of the spin where the equator would be with the Earth (like when something is top heavy and it wobbles uncontrollably, eventually falling over). Eventually the ice because massive enough that it does just this. The entire sufarce of the Earth will slide around, with the icy parts being thrown towards the equator. This means that at one point the Antarctic continent may have been a warm tropical land mass at the equator, and was only moved down there the last time that this happened.
The ancient stories about floods, and lost civilizations would have sprung from when Antarctica was thrown south, and the huge masses of ice were melting in the equatorial region, causing a sea level rise.
Anyways, I really enjoyed the book, and it has a wide range of information about links between south american cultures and egyptian ones, among others, suggesting that there may have been one single past root civilization.
And no this is not a plug.
Atlantis is currently parked in the shuttle hanger, waiting for a mission sometime in 2005 or 2006... (Future Shuttle Schedule)
This is exactly same thing as that appeared on /. a few days ago.
Scientists (??) in question have already decided that Atlantis really existed and that it's not just a myth.
Now they're going to prove (??) their hypothesis. -- square peg in a round hole, don't worry we'll make it fit. Afterall bible says so.
Interesting story. I think you are wrong however on the greek and romans seeing the atlantic as the end of the world.
For one thing, never talk about "greek" and "romans" as if it was one group of people with the same ideas. You must be aware of at least some greek thinkers knowing the earth was round, and even calculating it's circumference. In addition, various writers describe a continent on the other side of the atlantic.
Jim Mavor is your guy in the late sixties. I don't think it was his money.
Netcraft reports on the iminent demise of Atlantis. There will be no more Atlantis in three years. Ur is poised to overtake Atlantis on the desktop and archeologists will soon have to focus on Babylon. Open-dig and Atlantis will be alll but forgotten.
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I won't believe its Atlantis until someone finds a Stargate!
... and, so began, the legend of the Five-point Atkins Exploding Heart Technique!
We should clarify that Plato would have used the term philosophos to indicate a lover of wisdom. A philosopher of the time typically pursued all subjects of humane inquiry. There were not yet areas of specialty; the sole distinction in learned discourse would have been between humane science (man and his relationship to the world and the mediators of this relationship: perception, expression and abstraction) and techne: art and craft.
From the Dictionary of Phrase and Fable of F.C. Brewer, 1894:
Before the time of Pythagoras (B.C. 586-506) the sages of Greece were called sophists (wise men). Pythagoras out of modesty called himself a philosopher (a wisdom-lover). A century later Protagoras of Abdera resumed the title, and a set of quibblers appeared in Athens who professed to answer any question on any subject, and took up the title discarded by the Wise Samian. From this moment sophos and all its family of words were applied to "wisdom falsely so called," and philo-sophos to the "modest search after truth."
illegitimii non ingravare
DUDE, that guy rocked!
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
That would be ok, if the world were so simple as our mind, fourtunately is far more strange.
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What's in a sig?
I was under the impression that the story of Atlantis was the Greek take on the biblical story of the flood. According to both, the cataclysm happened because the people were being rebelious towards the god(s), and so the disaster came upon them as punishment.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Here it is: http://www.discoveryatlantis.com/. The story submitter's links sucked. The first was only one paragraph and misspelled Sarmast's last name, the second was hardly better. The wiki reference was ok for background info. Anyway, here's the press release that started it all, http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/800/press.htm, and from there are links to some actual bathymetric maps, etc., of the region: sea level lower 1.6 km, 3D seafloor, and others.
"I'm so moist I'm sticking to the leather." -Kermit the Frog on The Late Late Show
The Sub-Mariner would kick Aquaman's ass :P. (Note: Sub-Mariner is Marvel's oldest continuous character, having appeared in Marvel Comics #1 in 1939).
French investigator Jacques Collin-Girard is suposedly looking for Atlantis south of Spain in Gibraltar, just where Platon told, on a 15*4 km island under water for 10000 years.
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;)
But then, googling for this story i founded only 15 spanish pages, all with the same story, and only 3 french pages!!!
i wonder why there is so little about this, if only being this story so interesting. ?
Who is really Jacques Collin-Girard ?
then, this is a good read for spanish enabled ones. If you are not agree on Atlantis in Spain, we are going to withdraw all our troops of your territory! you had been advised!
It's not outside of the Straits of Gibraltar. Cyprus is in the Mediteranian- therefore it CAN'T be Atlantis. However- it might be possible that this city, if it exists, was the prototype for Plato's story- he was after all writing 1500 years AFTER the cataclysm- this was all ancient history to him.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
If you read the article it says that the Uranium was caused by natural nuclear reactors and that due to the half life of the substance such natural nuclear reactions aren't possible today.
The Romans didn't find algebra very challenging, because X was always 10
Knowing her fate, Atlantis sent out ships to all corners of the Earth.
On board were the Twelve:
The poet, the physician, the farmer, the scientist,
The magician and the other so-called Gods of our legends.
Though Gods they were....
Somebody wake me up when they say they've found Numenor.
Only one name mentioned in the press reports. No University affiliation, no mention of a dive or sonar team, either. Could it be this guy is simply trying to sell the book he wrote last year?
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
Fungie Bungwah Reporting From WBS News: "Atlantis found.... I'm flying over it now in my hovercraft for a first-hand look. Godzilla and Gammera have been sighted on the island and are believed to have retired here... Several structures are also present on the island, I can just make out one of the signs, it says... "Justice League", several of the members are out front on lounge chairs, but apparently Aquaman has died recently, and without his powers, the island has now revealed itself. Stay tuned to this same Bat Channel for more updates as they come in!"
On what basis should we conclude that Plato was making stuff up when he added to the Atlantis story, but that Solon "the great" and the Egyptian Priests he got the story from were telling the truth or something like it?
And what does being called "the great" have to do with anything? There's tons of fancy gentlemen with fancy titles who are asshats just the same. Plato may have thought Solon was all that, but simply throwing out that he was called "the great" doesn't really do anything to make him other than Just Some Guy, to me.
Perhaps there really was a world-spanning flood of some kind, but that doesn't lead directly to Atlantis = teh real. Who's to say Solon's alleged Egyptian priests didn't embellish the flood story with some myth about a mysterious city of power, or whatever, simply to make some sort of point to their subjects and worshippers--much the way Plato embellished the story to make a point to his own audience?
Really, at this point you probably should play the Von Daniken card, and get it over with.
But what about this Von Daniken card, anyway? I bet if you looked a little closer, you'd discover that the differences between the Egyptian and Aztec pyramids are more significant than the similarities. After all, the similarities can all be explained by two things: A universal human urge, common to all cultures in all times and places, to build monuments; and certain technological restrictions in the field of construction materials and methods. These civilizations didn't have steel-reinforced concrete, heavy-duty cranes, or any of the other things that allow you to build anything other than a slope-sided, tapering structure. What else were they going to build? The Petronas Towers? They didn't need space aliens or spooky Atlantean apocalypses to clue them in on popular construction methods being used halfway around the world--they just needed the physical facts of the their immediate environment.
Meanwhile, purpose of the Egyptian pyramids is to act as a tomb, and the focus of the Egyptian pyramids is a chamber deep inside. Once the dead king was entombed, the Pyramids were never entered again, but were admired only from the outside. On the other hand, the Aztec structures were temples that saw constant use, and their focus was a ceremonial altar space at the top. And that's just for starters, some obvious and important differences in purpose and usage.
Finally, what about the mathematics? Only mythical Atlanteans, space aliens, and modern civilization have what it takes to figure out math? I think the basic principles of counting and calculating are accessible enough for the Egyptians and Aztecs to have figured them out on their own, independently. No need to resort to metaphysical conspiracy theories to explain why anybody besides Modern Man figured out how to add numbers together and count the cycle of years.
Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.
Yeah, so that whole bit about math was waaay off. Obviously, it should have been a mean-spirited rant about astronomy. Please strike the final paragraph of my previous post, and replace with something along the lines of "Astronomy--accessible to anybody with one eyeball and half a brain!" and "Astronomy--not just for Modern Man!".
Thank you.
Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.
Face it, there were civilications which went under, for instance Santorini comes to mind. But Atlantis is a myth. Plato used Atlantis basically as an example to prove his points, just like the discussions which Aristoteles in his books only probably existed to a certain degree in real life. Using stuff like this, like putting words into his friends mouth which he probably never said, but were close to what he would have said, are part of Platos philosophical techniques. Plato is a philosopher, basically one of the founding fathers of modern philosophy, but not a historian, and never was and never intended to be one!
The legend of Caer Is aka Ker Ys of Brittany and Cornwall bears such a striking resemblance to the legend of Atlantis it is difficult to discount the possibility that they derive from the same source. Moreover the location of the legend is in, ahem, the Atlantic.
Seastead this.
I hate to let the secret out of the bag, but the island of atlantis does not exist on earth. No, not at all. For my PhD dissertation in Archaeology I studied the relationship between the Neandertalensis and Atlantis. Here are my findings: The Neandertals had a larger cranial capacity than humans, but the traditional belief is that this did not significantly affect their intelligence. Despite the fact that their brains had fewer convolutions than the homo sapien brain, their increased brain size more than made up for this differance. The idea that Neandertals were "simple" could not be further from the truth. The Neandertals were a technologically sophisticated race that surpassed even our level of scientific understanding. They came to realize the fundamental principles that underlie the primitive concepts of "space" and "time". Through this understanding they came to a level of existence that surpassed the "base" level that humans and all other living creatures reside on. With understanding came the realization of spiritual forms never before or since fathomed. With their ability to perceive time as a single unit of "everythingness" they could foretell the future, and seeing the bleak, hopeless future of a world inhabited with insignificant insects that could not understand anything deeper than the bottom of their Big Gulp, the Neandertals realized that they must leave until a time when their presence would be needed. Using Quantum engines and Dimensional rifts created through the concentration of psychokinetic energies, the Neandertals uprooted their floating Island-civilization and blasted off into the 4th dimension. This is where they reside until this day, ghostly observers of the universe until such time as their knowledge, powers and abilities are needed to correct the course of a faultering universe.
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Graham Hancock's book theorized (based on some earlier work by some dude who got Einstein to write the intro at least), that the continents on the earth have slipped around the world and shifted. I mean shifted as a unit, not like in the movement of the plates, but shifted all together like if the peel of an orange moved around the inside. This means that at some point antartica (part of it anyway) was in a more tropical like climate. Evidence for this includes the plant fossils found there as well as ancient maps (supposed to be based upon even further ancient maps no longer in existence) that show the continent drawn exactly like it exists today beneath the ice (as verified with modern seismographic cartography or somesuch).
This theory is that during ice ages, it wasn't so much that the ice spread down towards tropical areas, but that tropical areas moved towards the poles and were naturally covered with ice while there. This would account for now polar regions having fern fossils and such. And account for other regions such as Egypt having more rainfall (and thus damage to the sphinx) than currently.
It's interesting anyway. But Hancock's most recent book Underworld has completely different theories about the ice ages and flooding and sinking of lands and says something about atlantis being at the straights of gibraltor or malta or something. I have it but haven't read it yet (no plane trips recently).
I thought Atlantis was in the Bahamas. Better change tickets for my vacation next week.
BTW, the oldest stories of Atlantis we have are in Plato's Timaeus and Critias.
P.S.: A story on Slashdot about a place where I live - a middle of nowhere - WOW!
P.P.S.: My boss's house is called "Atlantis". Are they sure they know what they are talking about?
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Hey, I've already found Atlantis! It was during the "Submarine Voyage" at Disneyland! I have a whole submarine of witnesses too!
I'm pretty sure, however, that "Atlantis" is in the "Atlantic".
The mid-Atlantic ridge is my favorite candidate. Someday I'll get off my ass and go find it.
WWJD? JWRTFA!
I always thought that it was in Georgia.
I have little to say, but even less to lose by saying it.
and I for one welcome our new mermaid human-sea leaders. To remind them that we on sea are dry to the bone and that we can send you Richard Rimmons as our representative jester.
Odd seafloor fatures do not an island make.
"I'm so moist I'm sticking to the leather." -Kermit the Frog on The Late Late Show
wasn't there a whole theory putting atlantis farther north... w/ explanations of the pillars of hercules etc. all i could dig up from my vague recollections is this: http://www.estovest.net/letture/homerbaltic.html trying to place the works of homer in the baltic. but i believe other have gone on to use this theory to postulate another candidate for atlantis -- near england.
re-read your copy of "Guns, Germs and Steel"
If you liked Guns Germs and Steel, then you owe it to yourself to read the "original" book in this vein: Ecological Imperialism : The Biological Expansion of Europe, 900-1900 .
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I haven't been able to get into my car for almost 2 months.
I first heard of Jim Allen & his work on The Learning Channel and The History Channel. He finds the vast majority of what Plato described (including the huge rectangular plain) in Bolivia.
Unlikey, as Aristotle was later than Plato. Nice try though.
Plato wrote Alegories. Plato was's socrates hoe and aristotle's bitch. Socrates and him have a spat. He writes a ALEGORY of atlantis descibing his philosophy and theory of how civilizations rise and fall. A melenium later we're still chasing ghosts of something that was a lesson to us all? And you wonder why it aint been found yet? Shiit I've got a bridge to sell you.
Here's the version I put most credence into at the moment. .
Atlantis was a world spanning empire much like Western American culture today. In the next cycle of this reality, I imagine that 'America' will be the ancient lost civilization all the New Agers will write silly and dreamy books about and not understand for what it was.
Atlantis was also in possession of much higher technology that we have. Apparently they had outposts on various planets and the Moon; they used crystal technology, (whatever that implies), and could move matter and energy around in a Star Trek kind of way. They were also just as power hungry and corrupt as the current global empire. There was big, messy world war, lots of misery and the whole thing ended in global catastrophe with a shower of comets which wiped out pretty much everything. Even the technology of Atlantis wasn't enough to stop Big Rocks Falling From The Sky.
The queerest-seeming part is that time is cyclical and that we are experiencing the same end of the story events, slightly modified from the last cycle. We have lower tech this time around, for some reason. Go figure. But the Global War and Big Rocks are real enough!
Strange theory, to be certain, but the one I put most credence in at the moment.
-FL
has it all figured out already. Just ask him. http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.php?reposid=/ multimedia/busey/busey_103b.html
When I studied Bronze Age History in college, the claim by the professor was that it was the sunken atoll known as Hylaea. timjdot's post above makes the point that a slight change in sea levels reveals many sunken lands, although there are older cultures around the Mediterranean than there are are around the Bahamas. I remember a couple years back they found a lost city beneath the Black Sea, I beleive it was one from the Old Testament. That reminds me, I need to build that Remote submersible to explore my lake for lost cities.
First someone says they're going to visit Noah's Ark, then someone says they've found Atlantis. What is this, pseudoscience week on /.? What's next? Bigfoot discovered at monster truck show? Planetary alignment causes massive earthquake? Global warming is entirely mankind's fault?
The Piri Reis Map was drawn in 1513 by a Turkish admiral.
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This should have been your clue. The map is actually the location of Noah's Ark!
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/26/21432
He who reflects on another man`s want of breeding, shows he wants it as much himself --Julius Caesar, per Plutarch
Two possibilities: it's a joke or it's a scam. Why? No one would be stupid enough to tip off other fortune hunters if they'd found Atlantis. There must be tons of gold and other valuable artifacts. If Atlantis has been found the area would be swarming with ships and divers which the finder of Atlantis would not want unless... it's a scam to drum up business for all the boat and scuba rental outfits for tens of miles around. It'll be like the placer gold rushes in North America. The people most likely to make money will be outfitters selling gear and provisions to those who have the gold lust.
I'm baffled that nobody has referred to the comprehensive source of information about Atlantis -- The Urantia Book. My recollection of it is a bit rusty after many decades, but fortunately there is abundant information for you who are uninformed. Additionally, there is scant evidence of an enlightened Edgar Cayce audience at Slashdot. Cayce had some insights that defy scientific understanding.
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I'm not sure if I am being sarcastic or informative with this message, but here are some links to start with in your exporation of these avenues:
http://www.onceinoticediwasonfireidecidedtorela
http://atlantis.w-smit.com/cayce/8.html
...omphaloskepsis often...
So does this mean that the aliens from Cocoon will be back?
;)
I mean, wasn't Atlantis one of their outposts?
Ahoy! Geriatric Brigade Ho!
Apart from his notoriety about his "Venus was ejected from Jupiter, whirled around the inner solar system, caused all of the plagues of Exodus and of other cultures with similar legends, and I predicted that Venus should be at a high temperature when no one else did" which gave Carl Sagan fits, that same Velikovsky has a theory that the Greek Dark Ages never happened.
Conventional wisdom places the Trojan War and the events of Homer's Iliad around 1200-1100 BCE, Homer at perhaps around 800 BCE, and the "reemergence" of Greek civilization (the beginnings of the Classical era) around 700 BCE. There is this 300-500 year gap in Greek history in which there is seemingly nothing going on, a big gap. There is evidence that the Greeks had writing (Linear B), they forgot how to write (Homer's narrative recounts "baleful" signs, suggesting that the oral poet was telling an account of writing without knowing about such a thing himself).
Jerry Pournelle has a section of his Web site talking about the Greek Dark Age, and the notion that there was a thriving Mycenean civilization, that civilization collapsed, the people reverted to a much more primitive condition, and it took 300-500 years to get it back in a different form is rather compelling. It makes for a good yarn, it is a cautionary, Atlantis-like tale about the resource-consumption excesses of our own tech culture (part of the speculation was that the Bronze age required tin -- that tin was mined as far as the current British isles and there was a European-wide and Mediteranean-wide system of trade which collapsed with the exhaustion of the tin and other factors), and it provides material for science fiction, science fantasy writings which is Pournelle's interest and livelyhood.
Apparently Velikovsky, whose flight of fantasy spun the yarn "Worlds in Collision" wants to rain on the parade of the people who like to spin yarns about the Greek Dark Age because he claimed it never happened. His claim is that the Egyptian chronology used to synchronize dates in Mediteranean archeology is out of kilter (bragging about the lengths of dynasties stretches some of the dates out) and that the collapse of Mycenae was perhaps in 900 BCE, Homer in 800 BCE, settlement of Sparta in 700 BCE, and there is no big gap where Greeks reverted to grunts and animal skins.
It has been "found" at Thera, and also on the Ampere Seamount 400 odd miles west of Gibraltar, Captain Nemo knew where it was, there are at least two cities off the east and west coasts of India that I have seen linked to Atlantis by the more excitable western (the Indians know better) "theorists", and there's group searching for it off the Atlantic coast of France, and of course the mysterious roads or sidewalks or volcanic dikes off Bimini. And physcists get upset when someone mentions "cold fusion!!"
------ The only greater hazard to your liberty than n politicians is n+1 politicians.
What ever happened to that city "discovered" off the coast of Cuba about a year ago?
its about to start here now in the uk on the history channel a lot of peaple thaught it was discovery including myself i just noticed it starts in 30mnts
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