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For an ISP, it's important to retain your customers and provide them a reliable email-service and Webmail interface.

Just passing on this critical part of an ISP to a big player like google, waters down your ISP offerings and you loose control over your customers, the ability to charge for added services, and not to mention the security.

Do you really trust moving all your customer emails to google? When customer xyz calls up about their email, do you really want to tell them to call google because as the ISP you have no control?

Just as Google sees the value in retaining customers, email, data, power, so should you as an ISP.

We develop Email-server & Webmail solutions based on Linux called @Mail, and have a lot of experience consulting ISP's in this area.

According to Plusnet the problems were exploited before being known about publicly and the leak of email addresses is "not possible to patch". If this is true, then it's rather less of a faux pas than some of their previous problems. Having had the pleasure of dealing with Plus customer support a few times over the last few months I'd be interested to see some corroboration of what the problems actually were from elsewhere, rather than just taking their word for it, though.

The bigger question is who is else using @mail externally out there and if Plus are right, why? Have @mail said anything about the problem? I'm assuming we're talking about these people - http://atmail.com/ - but there seems to be nothing obvious on their site.

OK, so there is a lot of talk about creating an Exchange clone, an alternative, and most solutions offering a Linux backend that still allows users to use Outlook and synchronize with MS products.

Isn't this just copying and not creating and real value to innovate? Directly creating a Linux Exchange clone that can talk with Outlook, doesn't that just further strengthen the cause to use MS products for the end-user?

The Linux community should embrace a standard compliant Group Calendar, Addressbook, and Mail - This can be provided completely Web-based without the need for a fat client, especially end users with Outlook. Users can access the product using Firefox, Safari of IE, cross-platform.

Food for thought, embrace a new protocol/product that can offer the features Exchange does, but in a radically new way, without the need to support 'Outlook'

One product that has this vision is @Mail - Keep an eye on the project

Another good solution to an Exchange alternative is @Mail - http://atmail.com/ - Web-based Exchanged. They way I see it, the desktop-app is no longer really needed for Email. Webmail will overtake the local client in the future, and Web-based alternatives to Exchange will be the solid alternative.

Albanach wrote:
What really astonishes me is that open source has made such great leaps in other areas yet there's no apparent replacement for Outlook & Exchange.

Um...

1. Outlook -> EVOLUTION. I use Evolution all day, every day at work to read email and calendars from our Exchange server.
2. Exchange -> SCALIX and ZIMBRA are the two front runners. We're about to evaluate Zimbra to replace our Exchange server (150 employees). Other possible candidates include: Bynari Insight Server, KerioMailServer, @Mail, and the venerable OpenXchange.

Those seem fairly apparent to me.

So what about a decent Gmail/Yahoo alternative for your own server that you can download/install and control?

Personally I don't feel easy storing any private messages on Gmail, aka we own your email, cough cough, owned and controlled by other interests ;-) Sure we do not evil, ahuh ....

So what's out there you can download/install and own on your server? @Mail is a good alternative, Zimbra is pretty bloated and more focused to the bigger corps/exchange clone, Roundcube is pretty simple, and for IMP/Squirrelmail, you have got to be joking.

We want to create an open-source alternative to Gmail that is done right, without the bloat, and something you can control on your own Linux boxen. Anyone interested to assist?

No mention of @Mail which offers Ajax email, and is a download product rather then online service like the ones listed in the Forbes article. I think the Forbes article is pretty light/fluffy, but it is for their target audience anyway ....

Umm, shouldn't this be called XULwrite?

Seems like more XUL is used from the Mozilla engine then any 'Ajax'. Shame, I was looking forward to see something a tad better ;-)

IMHO a better example that uses XUL is @Mail - http://demo.atmail.com/ - It contains some good examples of mixing Ajax & XUL together.

There need to be more examples of web-based XUL applications.

One is @Mail - A Webmail interface written in XUL for Firefox. It's coming close to a Web-version of Thunderbird. Take a look online at: http://demo.atmail.com/

Take a look at @Mail - http://atmail.com/ as a decent alternative to SQ/Roundcube.

Tabs for viewing email-messages is nothing new.

@Mail , a WebMail application that is built using XUL ( the same UI engine Thunderbird uses ) has had this feature for nearly 8 months.

Take a look at: http://atmail.com/images/tabs.gif for an example - Improved with the close button and navigation at the bottom, and nicer CSS

See an example online - http://demo.atmail.com/ under Firefox, IMHO this is better then Thunderbirds implementation.

Tabs for viewing email-messages is nothing new.

@Mail , a WebMail application that is built using XUL ( the same UI engine Thunderbird uses ) has had this feature for nearly 8 months.

Take a look at: http://atmail.com/images/tabs.gif for an example - Improved with the close button and navigation at the bottom, and nicer CSS

See an example online - http://demo.atmail.com/ under Firefox, IMHO this is better then Thunderbirds implementation.

@Mail is worth a mention - @Mail - This includes various Ajax , and also a kick-ass XUL interface for Mozilla.

Take a look at @Mail it's got an XUL interface for WebMail, and very slick at that. http://atmail.com/ - It's commercial but for the price, looks like its worth it.

If you like XUL, checkout @mail - http://atmail.com/ - A native 'Outlook' killer via the Web - XUL/Mozilla based, with another interface for IE/other-clients.

Neat IMHO!

Hello,
We use @Mail as a 'replacement' for Exchange - It's commercial but is built on open-source, including Exim / Courier-IMAP / Perl / MySQL - Take a loot at: http://atmail.com/
IMHO, @Mail has undergone many more revisions, has commercial support, and have a better WebMail interface then Zimbra.
But on the flip side, great to see some competition to Exchange!
BTW - Why is Ajax the next 'DHTML' hype ... i mean, it's nothing new, just another way to look @ JS

Take a look at another good option, @Mail - http://atmail.com/
A nicely wrapped up mailserver/groupware and Webmail solution - Perfect for a userbase of 100+ people.

Checkout @mail - http://atmail.com/ - This webmail app supports GnuPG for mail encryption, via a darn funky interface.

Ok, so the new Y! looks alright - But is this really anything *new*?

Seems like when Y! bought out Outpost ( a webmail app ) the original dev team must be responsible for part of the new Y! WebMail.

IMHO there is a much better WebMail application called @Mail at http://atmail.com/ - Beats the pants off Y!'s attempt of a desktop WebMail application, it also have a native XUL/Firefox interface that kicks over Gmail's bland GUI.

I've been looking at @mail recently, and the interface it provides is very similar to the new yahoo mail. You can sign up for a demo account here - http://demo.atmail.com/. They support both IE and Firefox. It also integrates with Outlook, allowing you to sync calendar events and contacts between the two.

It's open source but it's not free (but it is very very cheap).

Take a look at @Mail - http://atmail.com/ a much more polished and professional WebMail interface over Hula/Open-exchange.

Stop using SQ or Horde/IMP, @Mail - http://atmail.com/ is a much more reliable and "Outlook" looking WebMail client.

I searched on Google for "email system" for "1 million users" ... this page came up: @Mail with large user bases -> it even gives you a case stude of Hotmail!!! the company is called @Mail it is the exact same solution that seeqmail.com uses and they have over a million users. Read it... Find out more... and Google some more Don't pay over-priced consultants unless it is something you have absolute no expertize in. It is your job to figgure out how to get it done.

Google maps etc. aren't really striking examples. If you want to see something really cool, go to http://demo.atmail.com/. The web interface of their online e-mail client is, I dare say, superior to many traditional ones. It's an incredible example of what a modern Web browser (both IE and Mozilla-based) is capable of.

Firefox just rox - Checkout the amazing stuff that can be done with XUL , creating "webapps" that looks like desktop-clients.

http://demo.atmail.com/ is a great example. Login to the "XUL" interface - It's like Thunderbird, but via the Web!

Check @Mail , its one of the best Webmail applications IMHO. Beats the pants off gmail, thats for sure!