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For the record, the Audubon Society supports wind farms. Because while they kill birds, coal kills far more, between direct and indirect effects. Now, of course, they insist on proper siting and proper measures taken to minimize bird deaths, and work towards strong laws on this front. But they do support and advocate for wind power.

It does. A lot more. Which is why the Audubon Society (bird folks) feel that fighting climate change and coal power is a bigger deal than fighting wind. http://policy.audubon.org/wind...

There are actual endangered birds that the writers could have used to make the point that turbines might cause some population problems among birds. Whooping Cranes in the Central Flyway (Texas) for example. Or the proposed listing for Red Knot in the Atlantic Flyway (Maryland).

I'm not aware of any whoopers colliding with a turbine yet. Beside the birds that are listed. there are still several species of birds that are declining.

And lots of songbirds migrate at night. I know winds seem to die down at night, but if there is enough of a breeze, especially along a coast, a slow-turning turbine might possibly be quite harmful.

I'm not arguing your bigger point about other sources killing birds. I'm writing more about why worry about eagles, when they're not listed or declining as quickly?

There are actual endangered birds that the writers could have used to make the point that turbines might cause some population problems among birds. Whooping Cranes in the Central Flyway (Texas) for example. Or the proposed listing for Red Knot in the Atlantic Flyway (Maryland).

I'm not aware of any whoopers colliding with a turbine yet. Beside the birds that are listed. there are still several species of birds that are declining.

And lots of songbirds migrate at night. I know winds seem to die down at night, but if there is enough of a breeze, especially along a coast, a slow-turning turbine might possibly be quite harmful.

I'm not arguing your bigger point about other sources killing birds. I'm writing more about why worry about eagles, when they're not listed or declining as quickly?

A quick google came up with this (PDF warning)

I hear that The Audubon Society is using F-16's to protect Falcons in the mid-west - yikes!

One well-known filter also blocked the Audubon society.
I bet most of you can guess why.

Here is an analysis of the DNA describing it as a wolf.

Here is an article in Audubon magazine titled, "How Tasmania's Marsupial Wolf Became Extinct."

So, I think you have no idea what you're anonymously talking about.

Seth

1. cease driving an internal combustion vehicle.

Up until I had a bad accident my primary transportation was a bike.

2. shutting off power to your residence.

Not needed if you generate the power you use. Going Off the grid is being done more and more.

4. growing your own food and processing it.

Yeap, I love to garden and I like to can and otherwise preserve what I grow.

6. avoiding the use of anything that is made with plastic.

Again not needed. Plastics were originally made from plant material. Cellophane was made from the cellulose of plants. Hemp, aka marijuana and probably the most industrially versatile plant is a good plant source. On his Iron Mountain estate Henry Ford not only built an automobile using hemp for some of the material but was also powered by fuel made from hemp. Rudulph Diesel designed his diesel engine to run on most any oil made from plants. Both alcohol and biodiesel are carbon neutral and both can be made from hemp. Actually the reason hemp was made "illegal" via the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 was because it posed a serious threat to some rich and powerful people. When congress was "debating" the act Dr James Woodward who was both a doctor and an attorney testified on behalf of the AMA. He said all of the testimony in support of the act was nothing more than tabloid sensationalism and that it could potentionally be a powerful medicine. During WWII hemp was so important the US government made the movie Hemp for Victory in 1942 in an effort to get farmers to grow it.

Liar is not a word that can applied to this man. There's not a lying bone in his body, nor a lying mind in his head.

He speaks the painful truth, and authoritarian leftists like yourself have a hard time with the truth, often dismissing it by calling it "lying."

If you had given some specifics, I'd be more likely to listen to you, but just saying:

You think he will protect the environment? No way! He will leave it to the free market to decide. That means cutting down all our trees and using all the resources available.

Clearly, you haven't heard of the Audubon Society, the Nature Conservancy, and other private organizations that actually work to preserve the Environment rather than "managing" it or polluting it to death, as government almost always does.

But you're right when you say

Free market might be efficient but will never be able to provide everyone with happiness.

I have lived in countries where the median income is almost certainly an order of magnitude lower than your income, but my motivation has never come from looking down on poorer people, but instead, I've been motivated by looking up to those who have worked hard to provide what only a Free Market can provide: a longer, less painful and much more fulfilling life.

I'd invite you to consider the positive benefits of looking to countries like Hong Kong (whose per-capita GNP now exceeds that of their "mother" country, Great Britain), where the Free Market is just about as unbridled as it is possible to get.

But of course, if you prefer a highly-regulated, authoritarian leftist country, I recommend Ethiopia, Cuba, or perhaps North Korea, all wonderful examples of how various versions of anti-Free Market authoritarianism "work."

Audobon Society

Ducks Unlimited

Nature Conservancy

Pheasants Forever

• Conservation International
• Defenders of Wildlife
• Earthjustice
• National Audubon Society
• National Wildlife Federation
• Natural Resources Defense Council
• The Nature Conservancy
• The Ocean Conservancy
• The Trust for Public Land
• World Resources Institute
• World Wildlife Fund

Hundred "lol msnbc rotfl lol" one liners already?

Bashing articles like this takes patience, and (lucky for me) always starts with a little character assasination:

A quick google on Jown w. schoen shows us john (whose lastname translates to "shoe" in dutch btw, for those who where wondering) likes to write stories. None of these apear to be hosted at nasa.gov , so we just assume he is no rocket scientist. Most of his stories come from msnbc And they tell us about how "local busineses go for the gold at the olympics and the Insurance industry thriving post-9/11 . Now, in his favour, google turns up some searches indicating he (or someone with his name) wants to preserve wildlife(bears and birds ), I may be ruthless with other peoples character, but on these issues I agree and think he should perhaps consider a full time career couse he does a way better job at writing about birds then he does on "hightech-biz-hype" issues where he just does the pressrelease/minute counting game to find out whats "hot" (hype)

Righ now is the time to note his stories are not hosted at ADTI, either. Nice for him you might think, couse documents once posted there, tend to change over time, but there is another reason. It seems john has found a platform for his text in wich there is little bother about their contents as long as they match the general small to thinking-they-are-big busineses line of interests. No critical journalism, and no conclusion of any sort in this article whatsoever, by no means a targeted fud compaign.

So what remains of this particular story: "At tech expo, open source software is hard to find" is the sub-headline for those of us who (like me) didn`t bother to read the article completely, thats all what this story is about and it just heapons to be a quote from someone who is in those silent spots at "tech expo". Wich expo is he talking about anyway, ah there is the link in the article, you know a good journalist has done his/her job when you see one link in the article, it tells you that he has listened to every side on the matter on which he (or she) is reporting. Tech expo must be a fun place to be, especially for serious programmer will feel right at home at the informationweek sponsored (another reputable magazine with such high ranking "news sources" as the bsa!) where the most sophistacated topic seams to "securing wireless networks using nice shiny gui software", one has to wonder in what cave those who hear of wireless insecurity for the first time have been living, but it aint the one with our friendly OOG

And now I might have lost the readers looking for a nice conspiracy theory about well targeted fud already, dont throw away those tinfoil hats yet couse msnbc actually reports the scary story that there is an FBI booth at pc expo where real fbi officers (no "I could have sworn it was a booth babe when I asked about getting a picture of her kissing me" stories this time)hand out application forms becouse, acording to msnbc "where better to find certified computer experts" Now that is scary becouse from what I read in the rest of the story, this expo doesn`t really match computex, hacking at large or e3 for that matter, so I think the FBI should have a chat with Cia recruting or perhaps see if the nsa has some cryptographers left couse I have the feeling they wont find any real technical help at this expo (other then those who put ten years of wireless mcse window 2000 experience with webservices .net and iis on their cv).

It sounds really good to grow corn, brew ethanol, and use it to replace oil as a fuel. There's just one little problem... until recently, it took more energy (in oil) to grow corn to make ethanol than the ethanol could produce.

There's been gains recently, though, so there's hope for the future.

Unless you mean Microsoft Sharks...

No joke, the coast of Washington does have the largest shark population. Coincidence? I think not.

The US Department of Labor's OSHA has quite a library that includes Material Safety Data Sheets (all those chemicals in that soap and what they do,) stastics and inspection data of companies and products, and information how to keep a workplace friendly to the worker and environment.

Most HR people should find this site a valuable resource to make a workplace safer through education; however, there are bosses who hate the hell out of this government organization. They inspect companies to follow up on complaints and they do have some big teeth. Some employers, such as ones refered to as "sweatshops" hate OSHA. I'm glad I work for a company that recognizes the value of a safe workplace when it comes to health insurance and community relations.

If you really want to get into evironmental concerns, there is Greepeace and and I would also strongly recommend checking out the National Audubon Society. These are organizations that help promote environmental awareness through activities involving recreation at national parks (read as camping at places very few venture) and activism (voting, writing letters, civil disobediance.) They are worth joining if you have kids as they sponsor many fun outings.

As an example of the interesting things they do, the Greenpeace homepage has information about ecologically friendly mousepads made out of 100% natural Amazon rubber.