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I'm not sure how you missed the point so spectacularly.

Not only is there CSS to do the things people used tables, for, but table has always been an abuse of the semantic intent of that HTML document tag, muddying it and confusing parsers. Yes, HTML could use more tags, but tables are hardly necessary.

And setting aside the semantics, people who actually have to restyle your table layout later (when rewriting the site is not an option) will have every reason to curse you.

The decoupling of the layout CSS offers is a powerful tool.

And, no, web pages are not, and have never been intended to be, mapped to application UIs. Is nice that they can, but that's a very limited case, and not even the main use of web pages.

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Dojo has some cool and impressive examples (the fish eye menu is kinda neat). However,everytime I've looked at Dojo and tried to figure out how to use it, I've had to walk away shaking my head. It is usually easier to implement something myself instead of trying to figure out the all the undocumented spaghetti code and "helper" files and abstractions in Dojo. Dojo seems to have taken all the complexity jokes about java and ported them to javascript. Maybe they have gotten better in the last year or so, but the last time I looked, most of it was undocumented and the code as non-trivial to decypher.

For people who want to use some simple, yet powerful JS/Ajax/CSS, I'v been recommending that they check out BrainJar. Brainjar has some pretty neat stuff that is much easier to figure out, although its random stuff and not a comprehensive toolkit. But brainjar will give you some neat ideas of the things you can to with JS and CSS. Check out the windowing demo and as a plus it won't screw with your mind like Dojo.

Dojo has some cool and impressive examples (the fish eye menu is kinda neat). However,everytime I've looked at Dojo and tried to figure out how to use it, I've had to walk away shaking my head. It is usually easier to implement something myself instead of trying to figure out the all the undocumented spaghetti code and "helper" files and abstractions in Dojo. Dojo seems to have taken all the complexity jokes about java and ported them to javascript. Maybe they have gotten better in the last year or so, but the last time I looked, most of it was undocumented and the code as non-trivial to decypher.

For people who want to use some simple, yet powerful JS/Ajax/CSS, I'v been recommending that they check out BrainJar. Brainjar has some pretty neat stuff that is much easier to figure out, although its random stuff and not a comprehensive toolkit. But brainjar will give you some neat ideas of the things you can to with JS and CSS. Check out the windowing demo and as a plus it won't screw with your mind like Dojo.

Since this discussion relates to CSS, here is a site with two excellent tutorials on CSS (bookmark it even if you don't use CSS now):

- CSS Positioning (5 pages)

- Using Style Sheets (7 pages)

These two might help save you money on buying a CSS book

Since this discussion relates to CSS, here is a site with two excellent tutorials on CSS (bookmark it even if you don't use CSS now):

- CSS Positioning (5 pages)

- Using Style Sheets (7 pages)

These two might help save you money on buying a CSS book

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I didn't know about the DOM Inspector in Mozilla. I've been using a very handy script from BrainJar called DOM Viewer. The key advantage is it works cross-browser. Also enables you to see what object properties are available on one browser vs. another.