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Re:Why
" Do you know how many terrorists that wanted to kill me I have come face to face with? 0.
Remove the "I have come face to face with" and that answer will certainly not be zero.No, that answer will almost certainly still be zero. The answer to "Do you know how many terrorists want to kill a generic Westerner?" would not be zero, but who fucking cares? There's a few white people who would be happy to see a generic black person dead (and vice versa); there's a few Irish who would be happy to see a generic Englishman dead.
The relevant question is not whether there exist some people willing to kill your countrymen, because that will never be an empty set. The relevant question is whether those people are likely to actually kill more of your countrymen than moose, sharks, or bed sheets. The answer is that you should be much more frightened of bed sheets than either terrorists or sharks.
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Re:Spring is in the Air
18,000 kids are injured each year from a TV falling onto them.
13,800 actually.
But there's a big difference between injured and killed.
There were 294 child deaths from accidents with TVs from 2000-2011. About 25 per year.
http://www.cpsc.gov/PageFiles/135118/tipover2012.pdfFor firearms, there's 138 children killed in accidents. 3,345 children killed in homicides and 1,665 suicides.
http://www.childdeathreview.org/nationalchildmortalitydata.htmIf you think that the fact that some number of kids are injured/killed by falling TVs means it's OK to have firearms around children, then you are beyond reasonable thought.
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Re:videogames are like #3 or lower on that list
Those seem to be the only two options,
They're not; the option I choose is "I hate school shootings but am extremely uncomfortable with the government removing the right of citizens to arm, and think the negatives outweigh the positives especially in light of how rare of an issue school shootings are."
Really, you would have a stronger case to make about homicide in general, since that is far far far more common than school shooting deaths.
So passing a law against guns in violation of the Amendment is bad, but if the Amendment wasn't there, then that objection would be gone. So logically the solution is to repeal the 2nd Amendment.
That is my first and foremost objection, so yes that objection would be gone. Yes, youre darn tooting that passing a law in violation of an amendment is very much "bad", especially since it keeps being tried. I do have other reasons why Im not so hot on the "lets repeal second amendment" idea tho.
Also, cars are seen as a necessity. Banning them will be much much worse than the dead children we get from using them....Compare and contrast that with guns.
This was where I got my assumption that you wanted to ban guns; if I misunderstood my apologies, but the intent seemed to be that a gun ban was of a different nature than a hypothetical car ban.
If, as you say 90% of americans support a gun ban then the issue is moot; it can be put to a popular vote where if my memory serves a 75% popular vote will overturn the 2nd amendment. I think though that that will not happen in my lifetime.
My assertion that the threat is small is based on the fact that there are literally about 10000 things that are about 100 times more likely to kill you than a school shooting. For perspective... (after looking up stats it looks like the actual number is about 25 per year)
~2.5million total deaths per year in United states, which makes the ~25 deaths per year from school shootings 0.001% of the nations mortality rate
~10,000 children deaths (under 14) per year in the US (2009), and there were ~10 pre-highschool deaths per year, which is 0.1% among children (under 14).
~53000 "child" deaths (under 19) per year in the US (2007). All fire-arm, non-suicide, deaths total ~2200. Thats about 4%, which is higher than I like, but its also a lot lower than a lot of other causes. Non-firearm homocide is another 1100 for reference.All this to say, if we could prevent 4% of child deaths without any downside, yea Im all for that. But to repeal an amendment is a major thing, and to remove the ability for someone to defend themselves in their own home using the weaponry of the day-- which is an incredibly long-standing right recognized by societies-- seems a really drastic move IMO, and not one that I take so lightly. I also do not much like the idea of the government being the sole arbiter of force; perhaps again it is my american upbringing but I have a deep-seated distrust of any person or group who has too much power and not enough restraint.
Sources... (not all for same year, ranging from 1999-2011; did the best I could in ~10 minutes)
http://www.childdeathreview.org/nationalchildmortalitydata.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/acrossstates/Rankings.aspx?loct=2&by=a&order=a&ind=22&dtm=286&tf=38 -
Re:It's a shame...
Look at the people who die before child-bearing age: http://www.statisticstop10.com/Causes_of_Death_Kids.html
You are making an assumption that is false. While your sited source says 45% of deaths are caused by those things, it only considers children ages 5 - 9. When the data set is expanded to include 0 - 19, the percentage of children who die is extremely small, .065% ( Based on 2006 numbers for 0 - 19 years of 64.7 deaths per 100,000 ). And, death from natural causes out strips the causes you listed.
Simply put, being able to survive such events does not appreciably increase the species ability to survive because the events themselves are so rare. -
Re:When does it stop?
Old data on defense uses of firearms, from 1995: http://www.guncite.com/gcdgklec.html I haven't done the research recently but since concealed carry permits are available in more states now than 1995, I might be inclined to think the defensive use has gone up, or at least been maintained with population growth. The problem with data like this is, generally a victim that deters a crime with no witnesses might not even report the crime ever happened. You'd be surprised how many failed crimes don't get reported, regardless of the reason for the failure. Child deaths, 12 was off the top of my head. It ranges depends on how you view the data. Here's the stuff I've found for 2002/2003. If you count all firearm related deaths (which include intentional homocide, accidental police shootings, suicides, etc) they're only 2.73 times more likely to die from motor vehicle. If you only count accidental deaths, they are 50 times more likely to die by automobile. Sorry for spreading misinformation. http://www.childdeathreview.org/Nat'l%20Data%20Webpage%202002_files/US2002.pdf http://www.childdeathreview.org/2003%20Data/US2003.pdf I personally find it interesting how consistent the data is from year to year.
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Re:When does it stop?
Old data on defense uses of firearms, from 1995: http://www.guncite.com/gcdgklec.html I haven't done the research recently but since concealed carry permits are available in more states now than 1995, I might be inclined to think the defensive use has gone up, or at least been maintained with population growth. The problem with data like this is, generally a victim that deters a crime with no witnesses might not even report the crime ever happened. You'd be surprised how many failed crimes don't get reported, regardless of the reason for the failure. Child deaths, 12 was off the top of my head. It ranges depends on how you view the data. Here's the stuff I've found for 2002/2003. If you count all firearm related deaths (which include intentional homocide, accidental police shootings, suicides, etc) they're only 2.73 times more likely to die from motor vehicle. If you only count accidental deaths, they are 50 times more likely to die by automobile. Sorry for spreading misinformation. http://www.childdeathreview.org/Nat'l%20Data%20Webpage%202002_files/US2002.pdf http://www.childdeathreview.org/2003%20Data/US2003.pdf I personally find it interesting how consistent the data is from year to year.
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Re:I'm all for it
California Child deaths by cause.
Cause Number of Deaths Mortality Rate
Natural 3,923
Perinatal Conditions 1,508
Congenital Anomalies 836
Neoplasms 322
Respiratory Disease 157
Circulatory Disease 146
Nervous System Disease 183
SIDS 153
Unintentional Injury 1,149
Motor Vehicle 746
Drowning 134
Fire/Burn 20
Poisoning 44
Suffocation/Strangulation 73
Firearm 25
Homicide 508
Firearm 395
Suicide 155
Firearm 54
Suffocation/Strangulation 75
Poisoning 8Comparatively: Number of Amber Alerts in California 2003 - 24. Role of Amber Alerts in recovering those children - Questionable.
In terms of children-saved-per-dollar, we could be doing a lot more for children by educating and enforcing laws about swimming pool fences, or cleaning the air in our major cities. Or, for that matter, getting drivers to pay attention to the road and stop running over the kids.