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Your link to copcrimes wasn't correct... it should have included the www

The military and the police are different parts of the government. And the CIA and other spooks is yet another. They're not at all the same organization.

They're all agents of the state.

I'm starting to wonder what you have against the police,

Having to deal with them.

In my experience, cops won't hassle you unless they think you are doing something illegal. And even then, they might let you go.

Then apparently you either come from an affluent family, or you haven't had much experiences.

Overall, though, I feel safer with a cop car around, than without it, despite the fear of getting a speeding ticket.

It's been years since my last speeding ticket, and I can't fault the cops for it. I was exceeding the speed limit. It was my own fault.

The fact that you seem to overly fear and distrust cops leads me to believe that you either have

It's not fear, it's dislike.

1) little experience with the real world

I'm coming up on 30 years of it.

2) some kind of problem with authority (teenage angst?)

See last answer.

3) are involved in something illegal

I quit smoking the green about a decade ago. So far you're 0 for 3.

I see you attend CMU, I grew up less than 15 minutes away from Oakland. Google for John Vojtas or Jeffrey Cooperstein. In 1997 the Pittsburgh police dept reached a settlement with the US DOJ to end a "pattern and practice" of police misconduct. These are just the police within a 20 mile radius of where you are right now.

There are myriad other cases like Abner Louima, Malice Green, and Byron Gillum; I could go on about itfor hours.

Why don't I trust agents of the state? Because they can't be trusted.

LK

The military and the police are different parts of the government. And the CIA and other spooks is yet another. They're not at all the same organization.

They're all agents of the state.

I'm starting to wonder what you have against the police,

Having to deal with them.

In my experience, cops won't hassle you unless they think you are doing something illegal. And even then, they might let you go.

Then apparently you either come from an affluent family, or you haven't had much experiences.

Overall, though, I feel safer with a cop car around, than without it, despite the fear of getting a speeding ticket.

It's been years since my last speeding ticket, and I can't fault the cops for it. I was exceeding the speed limit. It was my own fault.

The fact that you seem to overly fear and distrust cops leads me to believe that you either have

It's not fear, it's dislike.

1) little experience with the real world2) some kind of problem with authority (teenage angst?)

See last answer.

3) are involved in something illegal

I quit smoking the green about a decade ago. So far you're 0 for 3.

I see you attend CMU, I grew up less than 15 minutes away from Oakland. Google for John Vojtas or Jeffrey Cooperstein. In 1997 the Pittsburgh police dept reached a settlement with the US DOJ to end a "pattern and practice" of police misconduct. These are just the police within a 20 mile radius of where you are right now.

There are myriad other cases like Abner Louima, Malice Green, and Byron Gillum; I could go on about itfor hours.

Why don't I trust agents of the state? Because they can't be trusted.

LK

You might want to look that one up and try again.

That's just the kind of arrogant snotballism that makes me want to hand you the keys to the magazine.

WTF is arrogant about knowing that it takes police over ten minutes to respond to a 911 call, while my gun can be in my hand in a matter of seconds?

When you finally snap and go on your rampage, you'll be forced to stop and reload more often, giving your intended victims more of a chance to get out of harm's way. I'd call that a benefit.

If I were planning on a rampage, pre-ban magazines are still available. Just more expensive. Or instead of one handgun with several large magazines, I'd buy two or three and empty them in succession. (Hey, I'm going out in a blaze of glory, cost is no object.)

We are talking about legal limits on the size of pistol magazines and that is all.

You asserted a benefit from the existence of such limits. If such a benefit exists, you ought to be able to cite some evidence for it. Otherwise you're just talking out of your ass.

Hint: one does not interpret the Constitution by pulling out a fucking dictionary. One does so by being as familiar as possible with the intent of the men who wrote the words.

While in this case the intent happens to agree with the plain meaning (that the people be free to keep and bear arms), the method of interpretation you suggest goes directly against the intention of the founders.

The minutes of the constitutional debates were not published for decades; if the doctrine of interpretation by "original intent" was in fact the intent of the founders, those records would have been made available eariler. In fact this doctrine was explictly denied by Madison:

But, after all, whatever veneration might be entertained for the body of men who formed our Constitution, the sense of that body could never be regarded as the oracular guide in expounding the Constitution. As the instrument came from them, it was nothing more than the draft of a plan, nothing but a dead letter, until life and validity were breathed into it by the voice of the people, speaking through the several State Conventions.

Interpretation via "original intent" leads immediately to reductio ad absurdum, since original intent was not the framer's original intent.

Damn, messed up the last url, even with preview. Here it is.
[http://www.copcrimes.com/]

SealBeater

The FBI is a very major government organization paid for by our tax dollars. I may not agree with their moves all the time, but I trust that they are only concerned about the best interest of our country.

Let's get it straight - federal law enforcement is, by and large, Concentrated Evil. Does the word COINTELPRO mean anything to you? We're talking about an organization that tried to blackmail Martin Luther King with information about his sex life. We're talking about an organization that lied again and again and again about the assults at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Very few federal LEO activities have anything to do with protecting the rights of citizens; mostly, they deal with the organized crime spawned by unconstitutional drug laws and with investigating and intimidating leaders of dissident political groups.

Why would they go out of their way to harm the very citizens who keep them running?

The rule these days is simple: never trust anyone with a badge. They can make a lot of trouble for you, they can do very little to help you when you're in trouble (it's rare that anyone has a cop standing by when they're mugged, isn't it?), they have no legal obligation to help you, and there's little evidence that they have any interest in doing so. Spend some time browsing the CopCrimes web site, it'll open your mind.

(I gave up any last shred of hope in police "protection" last year when my housemate was being stalked by a psycho. The cops' best advice? "Well, you could change your phone number." Despite explicit death threats left of her voice mail, it took weeks for the cops to take action. I think I'm much better off relying on .357 instead of 911 for my personal safety.)