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Re:Sounds Like He Knows What He's Talkikng AboutIf you ever need to familiarize yourself with JBoss, look here instead: http://www.coredevelopers.net/
They seem to have a wider view of web infrastructure, from the list of programs.
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Re:THIS IS THE SAME JBOSSInteresting.
I wonder about that "walk-out" though. These "Core Developers" are all part of the JBoss Community still, right?
Also, there hasn't been any news from the Core Developers since 2003, when they walked out.
Meanwhile, Marc Fleury and JBoss appears to be doing well.
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JBoss and Jetty
JBoss moved away from Jetty because Mort Bay is part of the Core Developers Network which forked from JBoss. Jboss now supports Tomcat.
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Jakarta already has a list...
Depends where you are though, this list is US-centric:
Vendors List
Someone else has already suggested the JBoss group, there's also the Core Developers Network, both of them provide support in Europe. -
Re:Okay...The Geronimo Developers, the ELBA developers, and the Core Development network all seem to be made up of similar people. And one of these organisations was formed by former members of JBoss, and key developers at that!
Does that change anything?
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Re:Almost all Geronimo developers worked on Elba!And add to that the fact that they are also similar to the list of names at the Core Development Network, which is the company formed by the former members of the JBoss dev team...
This is ideal territory for a copyright infringement lawsuit...
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Re:Any point?
Ironically this trolling is basically accurate. Marc Fleury tells people who dare to ask if the manuals will be ready to suck his dick.
He's basically an arrogant prick. When the CoreDev guys resigned from the Jboss group he removed their commit privileges.
I personally would never recommend JBoss here because of his behaviour. Geronimo will rock, and jboss will then really have to put Fleury in his place or face losing all their clients. -
launch of Apache?s Geronimo -good news indeed
Project ELBA has the best summary ever:
ELBA is an interim but production ready enterprise application server written in Java. The goal of the ELBA project is to die by having all of its functionality replaced by the Apache Geronimo project.
apparently marc flowery is chomping over this. He has been flaming everyone all over the place, calling the people running appache hypocrites, pulling CVS write privalages from core jboss developers, and trying to make out the LGPL has some kind of mystical closed source properties that no-one else can posibly understand or explain!
ha! how much do i loathe flowery, how i laughed as i downloaded allTheDocs.zip from kazza, now his empire is crumbling around him...
this puppy is gonna run and run! -
Re:gimme a break
I was laughing out loud while I read it, especially after looking at some of their pictures
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Minor Players
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Re:Who? what? when? why? how?
Who? what? when? why? how? If someone could answer those five basic questions about this story, many of us would appreciate it.
I will try.
JBoss is a very popular, open-source application server for the Java 2 Platform, Enterprise Edition (J2EE). And although the JBoss software is free, there is a commercial consulting firm, the JBoss Group LLC, which provides support, etc. for JBoss users. The Marc Fleury referred to in the Inquirer article is the founder and CEO of the JBoss Group.
Dain Sundstrom (the "Dain" from the Inquirer article) is one of the core JBoss developers. He was also working as a consultant for the JBoss Group. He and several other consultants for the JBoss Group have jumped ship to start their own consulting firm, providing support for JBoss as well as other enterprise open source Java software.
The story is a big deal to JBoss users for a number of reasons. For one, a lot of commercial companies are use the commercial support provided by the JBoss Group as justification for going with an open source software solution (as opposed to one of the much more expensive commercial application servers). This was a relatively large loss of personnel for the JBoss Group and it thus raises questions about the reliability or stability of commercial JBoss support. Another important question is how this defection will affect these core developers' standing in the JBoss development group. Obviously, it won't be pretty, but will be they be kicked out altogether?
As for the background (the why), I don't have an answer for you. I don't know if grievances have been publically aired leading up to this, and I wouldn't have been paying attention if they had been. So I'm interested to see what details, if any, emerge over the next few days. -
Re:Who?
They seem to be quiet involved in the related projects to me.
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Re:Who?
Well I certainly do recognise the names and they are guys who do major work for jboss and jbossweb (jetty). Listed here And they say they will continue to do so. Go to the jboss forums and search for a few of them to see how much they know about jboss.
Seems they just want to earn some money doing their own support, probably because they don't like the Jboss group model, or were not getting ahead with them.
I doubt this is a big deal. Probably just here on slashdot because
a) People like to wind up Marc Fluery
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Re:motivations for new company?you didn't "scan" very well.
Documentation - Subscriptions
Training - From core developers
Support - Including remote development
Yeah, okay, they are associated with existing projects. But the site makes it sound like they are running a business, but they as yet have no proven business *product* unique to themselves.
I'd say attending training delivered from the core developers is not something that is offered very often. -
Re:motivations for new company?you didn't "scan" very well.
Documentation - Subscriptions
Training - From core developers
Support - Including remote development
Yeah, okay, they are associated with existing projects. But the site makes it sound like they are running a business, but they as yet have no proven business *product* unique to themselves.
I'd say attending training delivered from the core developers is not something that is offered very often. -
Re:motivations for new company?you didn't "scan" very well.
Documentation - Subscriptions
Training - From core developers
Support - Including remote development
Yeah, okay, they are associated with existing projects. But the site makes it sound like they are running a business, but they as yet have no proven business *product* unique to themselves.
I'd say attending training delivered from the core developers is not something that is offered very often.