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JBoss Group Developers Walk Out
An anonymous reader writes "According to The Inquirer, 'seven consultants for The JBoss Group publicly announced the immediate termination of their contracts and the foundation of their new company, Core Developers Network.'"
Who are the JBosses now?
Is everyone everywhere quitting now?
Will techies be able to get jobs now? Cool.
-gabe
From their site...
We are pleased to announce the founding of Core Developers Networkâ, a new services company supporting enterprise open source Java software. Core Developers Network is a partnership of peers with the guiding principles of integrity, openness, and fairness. Its charter is to provide a commercial infrastructure to enable open source contributors to deliver their professional expertise to the marketplace, independent of their contributions to open source projects.
Many of our partners are core developers with cvs commit privileges on the JBoss project, and this enables us to offer a wide range of services geared towards the JBoss server, including professional documentation, training and expert support.
The focus of Core Developers Network, however, is wider than just JBossâ, and we have partners with cvs commit privileges on other projects including Jetty, Apache Jakarta, and XDoclet. Direct support is available today for these projects, as well as 3rd party support for several other Core Technologies.
We are committed to having the same level of involvement in our current projects that we have had in the past. This means that we will continue to work on the JBoss project itself. In addition, we will continue to support the JBoss project via the jboss-development and jboss-users mailing lists maintained by SourceForge.net, as well as any other open public forum. Unfortunately, the forums on jboss.org are a commercial venue for the JBoss Group LLC, and therefore we will not be participating in them.
A few of our partners have offered support through the JBoss Group LLC in the past, but for various reasons have concluded that their professional aspirations would be better served outside of the JBoss Group LLC. In order to ensure that customers previously supported by our partners continue to receive the same level of high quality support, Core Developers Network is offering these customers a limited amount of free support during this transition period.
We want to emphasize that our partners will continue to provide the same responsive, high-quality technical support as we have always done. The founding of Core Developers Network simply signals the natural emergence of competition in the marketplace. We hope that broadening the range of service options for open source projects will raise the level of support available and lead to even greater adoption of these Core Technologies.
Please look for us at JavaOneâ booth 1705!
Core Developers Network
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Free your mind.
6:30 am -- I scrape myself off of Dain's couch and grab the laptop. Dain is perched over a cup of coffee, wearing his "code poet" shirt. My luggage and tripod are by the front door. On our way out to the car I ask myself "are we really going to go through with this?"
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Free your mind.
As of today's date they are still coding on the JBoss porject..
There servered their consulting contracts JBoss group only..
People really should master the skil of reading sometime soon..
Don't Tread on OpenSource
wouldnt Marc Fleury got these developers under an NDA agreement by which they wouldnt be able to work on a similar project for a different company ?
Sounds like a nice good legal brawl brewing up.
Download jboss before it is too late !
Siggy Say, Siggy Do
So are the contracts I had with them still valid? Are they now with the new company or retained by JBoss Group?
Why is this /. worthy? It's just a breach of contract, probably mixed with bad management, big egos, and stealing customers.
Two Rules For Success:
1) Never tell people everything you know.
same as the old boss.
I can't seem to find anything on either site that clearly says what they do. Do they know what they do, or do they just know the buzzwords?
JPHB project....
you can tell they really think they're pretty important.
In quickly scanning through the scant info they have on the new core developers site, it looks like they have a slightly adapted "internet bubble business plan":
1. Dedicate self to just doing "Open Source" work
2. ???
3. Profit!
Yeah, okay, they are associated with existing projects. But the site makes it sound like they are running a business, but they as yet have no proven business *product* unique to themselves.
Here are the faces behind those names in the article.
Siggy Say, Siggy Do
If someone could answer those five basic questions about this story, many of us would appreciate it. Thanks!
Journalism? We don't need no stinkin' journalism!
The middle mind speaks!
That hurts. Not only did they have to throw together a site in secret, as soon as it hits the net it has to face slashdot. I will be truly impressed if it survives.
Those servers that are about to die, I salute you.
So why is it that I only recognize one or two of the names of these "core developers"? And the ones that I do recognize, only barely. They don't seem to be the people that I know are involved with the core development and operations of JBoss and the JBoss Group.
/. to get some publicity. I don't understand why it's not possible for both CDN and JBoss Group to thrive and serve the community. But they seem to think that they can only exist by killing the other "fork", if that's even what it is. Competition is good for the industry, even open source. But CDN looks like they're just trying to cast JBoss Group in a bad light (disparaging their stats).
In fact, it sounds like they're just being antagonistic, and using
Oh, and as I remember it, it wasn't just their call to terminate their contracts with JBoss Group for providing support. JBoss Group was non-renewing the contracts anyways, because they had decided that it was a better idea for them to be the support company themselves. They didn't terminate the contracts immediately when they started their own support offerings, but they did make the decision to not have any new consultants, and to start thinning out the ones they did have.
-Todd
"The details of my life are quite inconsequential..."
... never make open-source development an important part of your business, because if you do, your developers can walk out and sell the code you paid them to develop.
(Unless you sign them to non-competes, which I can't believe the JBoss Group didn't do.)
It is an anonymous submission about someone setting up in business. Sounds like self promotion and a moderator should just delete it.
My guess is it doesn't - I don't know much about what JBoss group, but my guess is they do pretty much the same old EJB consulting for customers that everyone else does. Building yet another Customer object for yet another client. Not the sort of thing that requires the world's greatest experts in transaction management, object persistence, etc. etc.
As long as the JBoss group can quickly fill in for these guys with warm bodies who know how to write "Hello world" (any Java programmers on the bench and eager for work right now ? Yep, thought so) then their customer contracts will just keep trucking along. Then these guys and their break-away will be faced with the dilemna that JBoss Group has solved - making money.
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Sounds like there were making a porn a site
anything with a boss in the name has a you know, pointy haired, pricky feeling to it. They had to leave.
Siggy Say, Siggy Do
Don't you mean jApathetic?
"Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised."
-Marilyn Manson
what the fuck is a sentance ?
are you sure you don't mean "sentEnce?" I don't understand the schmucks who post on slashdot to criticize others' writings when they can't construct a proper sentence with decent grammar or spell themselves!
This seven person exodus doesn't exactly sound like the most open or fair thing to do to The JBoss Group. But, maybe I'm wrong ...
-- DossyDossy's Blog
_looks up from work on tomcat_
_thinks to self: People still care about EJBs? Who knew?_
_goes back to work on tomcat_
(I exaggerate, for comic effect, of course)
Cheers,
prat
As a former enterprise software Sun employee,
I wish the Core guys well. They do good work.
One question though: what about the business?
An lot goes into hiring enterprise consulting,
beyond good coding skills-- think of accounting,
insurance, scheduling, dedicated team reps, etc.
More importantly, my number one consideration
was trustworthiness-- including dependability--
so a mass walkout seems like a difficult launch.
Cheers, Joel
Who Cares --- you know how many shitty contracts I've walked out of and.. as always..who cares...
I've been promoting JBoss against WebSphere and WebLogic, and right now I'm looking like a moron.
Dear Marc, message to you: you're SOL, here.
Is this a French thing? You know, fucking your buddies.
668: Neighbour of the Beast
If you have no skill but don't mind pretending that you do visit the public high school of Jefferson County, TN.
The techs there spent a week with no results trying to get an OS X box on the school lan (DHCP, http proxies on 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2; they configured neither.)
Other duties would include leaving the proxy servers running warez copies of NT 4 on service pack 3. Wasting tax payer money on piece of shit security packages is optional.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
The article was big on dramatic narration at the expense of explaining what's really going on...
Why did these guys do it? Did they decide they'd have more fun at their own company? You'd think, with a move like this, they'd have serious grievences with JBoss Group. Either that or they're being backstabing bastards. I'll assume the first...
The opinons expressed are those of the voices in the author's head and are not necessarily those of the author.
from the list of the members, only two are actively working on core parts of JBoss. The others work on integration with Jetty. That's not a big deal, since Jboss also uses Tomcat and jboss/tomcat integration is supported actively by the developers using JMX. The consultants have experience, but doesn't seem like it cripples JBoss in any way. If anything, the mix of developers provides an even mix of skills, rather than an outright gutting of the core JBoss developers.
We are moving our focus from Java to PHP, and whill henceforth be known as PHBoss.
The real question is what the tripod was for? And did it have anything to do with him on the couch
;-)
I think the real question is: Is Dain's last name "Bramage"?
Inquisitive minds just gotta ask....
Sorry I couldn't resist.
From what I understand, they are only in California for Java One next week, most of them are not based in California.
-Charlie
All they are doing is starting their own company in order to make money supporting JBoss and a few other techs. Just like anyone else could. The only difference is that these guys actually have a lot of credibility around jboss, and hence someone might actually hire them.
No real drama here.
How's the view from that skyscraper at 285 and 400?
Glad you got yours before it all went oear-shaped.
668: Neighbour of the Beast
There's more name dropping in that timeline article than I've ever read in my life... Winamp, Code Poet t-shirt, Nirvana, Nintendo Advance etc... what are they trying to say? That they're cool? Are these brand names supposed to make me associate them with somebody special? Are they Java-coding rebels?
Ok, I'm half kidding, but the article is hardly newsworthy or even understandable to me.
SEO Copywriter. Just Say ON
I just got a call from one of them telling me to look on slashdot. I asked about this very thing, and he told me the numbers (and asked me not to repeat them). They were scary low. I'll see if I can get them to post the statistics, but since the site is hosted on JBoss, it put the power of that server in a whole new light for me. If you guys are reading this, and I know you are, post the numbers, it would be interesting. At worst, it is easy Karma whoring :)
.NET architecture' got strained laughs.
-Charlie
P.S. The 'Now you understand the power of the
So, there you are at Agris, trying desperatlry to drag them from 1985 to 2003, and the mirage starts to dissipate (you know, "It's all gotta work with JBoss").
What now?
668: Neighbour of the Beast
What the hell is JBoss?
Their site's slashdotted, so I can't find out there, and the story (and comments) don't really give any hints, beyond the fact that it apparently has something to do with Java.
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nothing to see here. move on.
This is probably going to be tough for the JBoss group but ultimately, I think competition will force them to improve and become better--if they pull through this hurdle.
Competition helps keep companies (and people too) from slacking or falling short of doing their best.
I know this is off topic but you know that visual studio .NET banner with the elite if else statement? Is it just me, or should the else statement read "doItAlone" and not "goItAlone"?
Jebus, M$ Can't even get their ad-code right, nevermind OS!@#
in the bonds, ppka
He was the coolest villain on Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors!
I am not suprised. I was involved in ejboss (before it was jboss). Fluery has complete disdain for the developers associated with jboss. He treats them like slave labor, throwing them chewed bones while he keeps the meat for his own greedy french ass. He has this sickening sense of superiority. I am just suprised it took this long.
Mark, you reap what you sow asshole.
They hide their intentions, grab your code, and then carry it to their new hideway!
Beautiful business plan!
bwahahahaha
-A.M.
Pimpin' all the Karma Hoes!
But then he would have to be associated with BJoss, and yes, my dain is bramaged, thank you for noticing.
Not only because they have a pretty website but also because of this:
Please look for us at JavaOneâ booth 1705!
You don't just whip up a booth & promo material in a weekend (as someone who has worked booths I know it's a royal pain). This year I'm attending JavaOne as a developer...I'll definitely be stopping by to see what they've got. No good swag I'm sure...they're probably too poor yet...
"You're gonna need a bigger boat." - Chief Brody
but PLEASE... spare me the OSX fud.
we hacked together a Sun-compatible automount on top of the unsupported amd + NIS, and it's been working fine for a month.
Now that's some scary shit.
(oth, we avoid the mac tools as much as possible, except when you have to touch netinfo; maybe that's why we were okay)
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
That journal did not say anything about their reason for leaving but you are definitely right on the point about their audacity to list "openness" on their site after what they did no matter what the cause.
I have been thinking (dont mock me...), and I was thinking if the name of the company who distributed a free appserver a la J2EE, but was little diffrent, not complient, did things little different, had som proprioty API's (Yeah, like Xerox AOP) was (the name of the corp remember?) was M$?? Hell would break lose. You (incl M$ lovers)tell me where my thinking went wrong...
... it's not responding now...
Sounds like a bunch of water-cooler talk to me. This kind of thing happens all the time and no attempt to hype this event it will make any more that gossip.
Who fucking cares?!
Not sure you weren't marked as insightful. Judging by the lack of interest and positive moderation on the rest of the comments, I'd say you nailed it on the head. No one cares.
WE've tried Tomcat, but it is not a complete J2EE 1.2 or higher. JBoss has big requirements too, for our measly Pentium 200 64MB ram with Linux. I am hoping for a COMPLETE test platform J2EE setup that is not designed for distribution or clustering, and can run happily on a small system (well, happily for a Java application, which is still too slow). These two split developer groups will likely aim for different niches, and I wonder which one will be Postgresql and which MySQL.
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
I wonder if the timing of this 'walkout' has anything to do with the Sun / JBoss compliance spat? They have been having an ongoing battle (not in court as yet) about whether JBoss can use the J2EE brand without being certified as compliant by Sun.
Maybe the Core Developer folks are hoping to steal some business from their old employers using an easily certified fork. Perhaps they even hope to get some mileage from CIOs worried by the SCO thing.
Vino, gyno, and techno -Bruce Sterling
Snip
Is this a French thing? You know, fucking your buddies.
You know, promoting JBoss aside, just you reiterating that "the French didn't buy our BS about weapons of mass destruction so they're backstabbing us" crap makes you sound like a moron.
JBoss 4.0 DR1 (Developer Release 1) is based on Aspect Oriented Programming.
Check it out!:
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...but what exactly is a Java Application Server? Is this something like Novell's products ("Novel Application Launcher" and whatnot) where apps are served from a central server but executed on the local CPU?
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You couldn't bring it down, because you are failures. Face it, you tried to be script kiddies, and you couldn't even do that right. There is no hope for you. Please die repeatedly.
was that an advert or a newspiece? what a bloody waste of electrons.
JBoss has been garnering a lot of publicity lately, at least in Java circles. It has been quite the center of controvesy, in an otherwise boring world.
First there is the bust up with Sun. JBoss wanting J2EE certification and Sun be a bit difficult (basically saying they wouldn't pass).
Then there was the 'best application server' http://www.sys-con.com/java/readerschoice2003/vote .cfm 'vote rigging' issue. One year accussing Oracle of cheaping because they asked their employees to vote, and the next year JBoss does the same (asked its mailing list members to vote for JBoss).
Now of course there is this new company split off from JBoss LLC.
Still to come: will JBoss LLC removing CVS commit rights from the coredevelopers group? Will JBoss LLC go out of business?
We'll see..
In the mean time: at least people are hearing about this great product (developer tiffs aside). No such thing as bad publicity, right? Hopefully, too many people won't be scared off. Then where would all my new customers come from?
- Peter.
RimuHosting - JBoss Hosting on Linux VPS
Really. This won't affect my ASP.NET/IIS/C# contract one wit.
Only doing what they pay me to do. If they want my opinion, I tell 'em straight up - it all sucks. That invoice is due now.
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
The open source community does not need this. Not at all. Sure, fork code, start your own company, create competition, all fine. But the tone is hostile. Rupp clearly expresses the desire and the ability to damage the JBoss Group. This send a clear message to corporate decision makers: stick with BEA, IBM, Oracle, etc...
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So if I have a contract with them to get a core developer, one would think that this contract might be hard to keep... they promised access to the core developers. Sounds like another lawsuit brewing here for those premium support JBoss customers!
Get rid of everything Micro and Soft: Buy Viagra and/or Linux
The article says "The JBoss Group has been forked." The group, not the code.
The CDN web site puts a lot of emphasis on CVS commit access into various open source projects, include JBoss itself. This does not sound at all like a code fork.
...some geeks dramatic, self-involved narration of what people do every day (i.e., generally called "quitting") is worthy of Slashdot headlines? And concerning the article itself, just about the only factoid I could derive from it was that someone has read a bit too much Gibson, and taken it to heart.
Yeah, 'cyberpunks' rule. Phhhhpht!
Max
My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
Just last night I installed JBoss/Tomcat to kick it around and consider it for our possible future business.
I keep going back and forth about commercial suppport. I keep thinking "gee, in a business where business revenue relies on the server software perhaps we should go ahead and pay the big bucks for a commercial product with support." Then I realize I currently work in a large company that pays for commerical products and the vendor support reps are clueless and we have to eventually figure out the problems and fix them ourselves anyway. (Disclaimer: I'm a network admin, not a developer, so my vendor experiences are with implementation and operational issues.)
Okay, what about liability then? I've heard before that you want to feel there's someone to sue if something goes wrong. But who's ever sued Microsoft (or IBM, Sun, HP, BEA, Oracle) because of lost business revenue due to their products?
What do you really get from paying the big boys big money?
I have a sneaking suspicion I'd come out way ahead financially and operationally if I take the money I save on huge up-front licensing and ongoing per-seat licensing and split it between the business and a support fund, and if we run into a problem we can't handle it's time to hire one of the developers of the software to fix it for us, or in the case of JBoss use the Core Developer's consulting service.
JBoss is still around and will be for a long time. What is interesting about this is not the impact on the JBoss app server (virtually zero, IMO) but the impact on the JBoss Group's attempt to turn their skills into a money making enterprise. Open source works, we know that, but what is interesting is that so many novel attempts have been made to turn open source into a way to make money and most seem to dismally fail. This is yet another example of that.
With all the talk of an NDA and contracts and all that nonsense, I figured I'd point out that my old school district, Central Dauphin or "CD", has been using the C and D with apple seeds as a logo for quite some time. I think they have prior use to that logo of theirs.
Why marcf doesnt lisence the code under BSD ?
securing that the project will stay alive
(even if netcraft confirms the opposite),
and at the same time provide the ground for
more interesting forks!
When you compare the Core Developers members to the JBoss team, you'll see that the guys who "walked-out" are minor players.
This is basically a lot of hype, and a dirty trick to get some publicity.
No one in their right mind would trust these guys with a support contract.
Why would having two organizations instead of one commiting their business idea to open source Java enterprise development be a bad thing for the community?
I won't even give any reasons for this statement: JBoss is the worst managed OSS project. If you have been dealing with their forums etc you know what I mean. JBoss the software is great, the project could be the crown jewel of the OSS movement but something has gone terribly wrong.
Yes, I use JBoss and bite the bullet.
Providing consulting services for JBoss, in and of itself, is far too limited, in my humble opinion. The exodus of core members to form a new consultancy with a broader scope addresses one of the major problems with software acquisitions: integration.
[for immediate press release]
.NET. What this industry needs is stability. This is an intolerable situation!"
Today Anonymous Techie, a developer who has worked on core aspects of the BEA Weblogic Server version 7.0 announced that he was leaving to set up his own Weblogic consulting business.
Industry commentators wondered just how this would affect BEA and just how much it would jolt industry confidence in the product. With Anonymous Techie no longer contributing to the code base BEA would have to take up the slack by hiring someone else. A task complicated by the wealth of J2EE talent out their. Bill Klein Jr, the head of personel said "it will be a nightmare sorting through the thousands of CVs we have received from very good people". With BEA tied up in recruiting industry gurus were predicting that competitors could steal a vital technical lead. Klein comments that "it is in the natural course of events for one of our employees to hand in his notice, this industry thrives on change and fresh blood will be a good thing, we wish Anonymous Techie well". But many in the adrenalin charged world of IT view this as an act of treachery and think that contracts should be respected for life.
Customers were thought to be departing in droves: Deepak Shah of Bangalore consulting said "I bet the farm on JBoss, now I'm left with egg on my face and Chicken Balti on my trousers. I'll have to immediately start porting all my code over to Websphere, or worse than that, use
When asked to comment, BEA CEO Alfred S. Chuang dismissed the report with "I've never even heard of the guy!". Brave words but privately he must be wondering about the future viability of the his consulting business with one of his key developers offering support services in direct competition to BEA.
BEA stock rose $2.19 on the news.
Don't waste your time with the JTroll.
If so, please reply with contact for me to send CV. Thanks.
My girlfriend used to do web site updates for the Jboss group (actually, she worked for Marc Fleury and his wife, listed as Nathalie Mason-Fleury on the website, director of marketing). She was responsible for most of the bio information going up on the site, as well as doing updates to same, updates for whatever conventions they were hosting/doing, etc. She was fresh out of a 4 year CS degree and needed a job and in this market, she took this web jockey gig.
The Jboss crew uses a CVS repository to manage their web site. It sounded fairly dumb to me when I heard it, but I suppose they feel the need for control and verification of who is making what change to the site. Now, she had never done any work with CVS before - she codes a bit in real languages but hasn't worked on any large projects. So she had to ask some help from the Jboss people on how to use CVS.
The developers, Dain for instance, were incredibly helpful. She was able to snag them on AIM at just about any hour of the day or night for whatever little questions she had about their (often malfunctioning) repository. Marc Fleury and his wife, on the other hand, were not. They were demanding, placing calls in the wee hours for changes, and expecting 1-2 hour turnaround whenever they called. When asked questions, more often than not, Mr. Fleury would take a fit on her. She asked the developers about this and one in particular volunteered that "He's an asshole to everyone, not just you".
Eventually she stopped dealing with them because they just sucked too badly to work for. Low pay, rude behavior and weird hours make for a bad mix. I'm sure they hired someone else who was more masochistic perhaps.
A close friend of the Fleurys (she knows them socially in Atlanta) made the comment recently that Marc owns his own company because he would find it impossible to work _for_ anyone else due to his attitude. I suggest that the recent defections might have something to do with the aforementioned.
On a positive note, Mr. Fleury has found a way to make money off of an open source project. I suppose that deserves kudos. I've known a few businessmen who, while they knew how to make money, were unable to keep the business operating long term because they made strategic errors or alienated people. I suspect Mr. Fleury is going to fall into that category. Maybe he'll learn some lessons for his next business (he's the kind of guy who will assuredly hit the ground running no matter what happens)...
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
That web site should have its internet connection stripped for publishing what might be the silliest goddamned story I've ever read. From the tone of it, you'd think these guys were parachuting into combat.
And the scarier part is that noone else seems to notice how pathetic it is.
in a similar critical vein, i would say openness is a prerequisite for integrity, not the other way around. that is, if a system (or group of people) has openness, whether or not there is integrity can be judged by the observer rather than being a quality that must be blindly accepted on faith.
JDICTATOR. It doesn't order your java software to perform it routinely tourtures a random sample of javasoftware as a warning to others. It fights performances issues "to the Pain". So far it just consists of C code with big ears that gets picked on a lot, so look out, it will have a chip on its shoulder when it gets loose.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
My response was to the AC that said "Oh, so it's just Java. Who cares..." and not to ParamonKreel's comment above. Just thought I should point that out to keep the fuzzies nice and warm.
Ryosen
One man's "Troll, +1" is another man's "Insightful, +1".
Stephen Hobbs, USA
CFO/Controller
After college, Stephen spent almost 7 years in the US Navy, working as a Russian linguist before becoming a SEAL in SEAL Team 2, the Navy's Special Operations branch.
One day, you'll learn about these things called "companies" who have "data" on many "servers" and who need to perform "transactions" with "objects" scattered around everywhere. Have fun!
As a coder who's been watching the EJBoss... I mean JBoss... code, since it didn't work, I'm completely confident this project will carry on. JBoss isn't going away. Even if all the core JBoss developers dropped off the face of the planet, there would be others to pick up the cause and offer support. This is a classic example of why OSS works and works well.
-- damon@sicore.org A929 9798 86F9 5AD7 7BD5 E6AD 37A2 DF9B 5EDD C02E http://www.sicore.org/publicKeys/damon.txt
Please move to eurocuntland so you can be a good little socialist with all of the rest of the lazy eurotrash.
Hmmh. I'm not one to pick nits, but I have trouble parsing your statement. Perhaps all my base are just belong to you, very one!
Where are those WMDs there Rummy booster?
cos it's really not funny and everyone who read it can see it's a typo. besides, this is slashdot, nobody gives a fuck.
All your BOSS are belong to us!!!
Gee, these folks wasted no time getting this Core Developers Network started. This site looks like its been up and running for awhile...
Seems they don't know much about PR. Their announcement really makes them sound like pricks.
What they should have done is been much more diplomatic. Talked about personal differences from a business standpoint, but emphasized their devotion to the JBoss project.
Instead, they basically said, we're leaving and this really f***s up JBoss, hahah:
"The JBoss Group has suffered losses before and come out strong. But have they ever sustained an attack of this scale? No way. Neither Sun nor BEA could have pulled off something this personally damaging to Fleury's company. The pressure that pulled them apart had to come from within."
It took me a while to realize that they would be providing competing services to the same code-base. At first read, it sounded to me like they were intentionally trying to undermine the whole notion of an open-source J2EE server. Makes them sound like immature ego-driven 455h013s. Hell, they are immature ego-driven 455h013s. Not for leaving the Fleury's company but for pissing on them on the way out the door. BEA and perhaps MS will have a field day with this, and use this as evidence that you can't trust the long-term viability of open-source projects, outside of that anomaly Linux. That's not true, but the cutesy little ball-buster CDN published sure adds fodder to such bogus arguments.
it actually sounds like a "regret minimization framework" move. The question is whether the regret would be not putting their skills to the highest and best use or not kicking Fluery's ass.
under Mozilla
Could be a rumble in San Francisco next week with the JBoss group right across the street at the Sony Metreon.
If he can't get a OS X connected to DHCP, he better look for another job better suited for him... like typing on a Win98 box
That was a funny Joke.
Chr0m0Dr0m!C
You've got a cash-strapped company, temp workers, and a boss with an attitude--you can expect this to happen.
Most small business owners are in business because they can't cut following someone else's rules. It's good for starting businesses, but bad for keeping them. My experience is that when the boss utters "you don't have to work here" one too many times, it's the other 6 employees nearby that take the advice rather than the intended one!
It sounds like self-preservation as much as revenge. After all, if he's not renewing contracts, then eventually your dinner stops! They choose to gang up and go out with a bang rather than a whimper.
Microsoft representative Jay Ghost stated that this had nothing to with the current rift between CDN and a notorious bunch of rebels called the "JBoss Group", it was rather to provide a stronger bulwark against the scourge of so-called "open source" fanatics, who are trying to topple the very foundations America is based on, of massive profit, of monopoly, of big business. "We welcome CDN to the fold", says Jay. The developers will be at J#Zero, showing off their dazzling new product, and they are eager to meet you.
Thanks for all the moderation.
Maintenant, s'il vous plait, rentrez en France (oui, avec votre famille).
Bon voyage.
668: Neighbour of the Beast
Is JBoss in Atlanta? I'm assuming your talking about 285 and 400 in Atlanta? My view of them is quite nice.
And which skyscraper are you talking about?
Shouldn't it be called jBoss?