Domain: dagbladet.no
Stories and comments across the archive that link to dagbladet.no.
Comments · 61
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Re:Is this a hoax?
Found a list of sites/reports about this guy, Peter Lynds. To prevent a slashdotting, I will just print them here. It was found at http://www.phy.cuhk.edu.hk/course/phy2002/forum/m
e ssages/299.html (remember to remove the space in the link if you MUST go /. them) but you should use the links here to prevent swamping them.
http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/international.cfm?id= 827792003
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20 030801.utime0801/BNStory/International/
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-07/icc -gwi072703.php
http://www.dagbladet.no/kunnskap/2003/07/31/374849 .html
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/latestnewsstory.cfm?stor yID=3515588&thesection=news&thesubsection=gene ral
http://iblnews.com/noticias/08/83260.html
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2003/08/01/ciencia/1 059697327.html
http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/
http://www.elcorreogallego.es/periodico/20030801/u ltimahora/N205769.asp
http://actualidad.eresmas.com/articulos/704306.htm l
http://brightsurf.com/news/july_03/ICC_news_073103 .php
http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/local/ 6440571.htm
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/cgi-bin/news/newswire.cgi /news/pa/2003/08/02/technology/amateurclaimssoluti ontotimepuzzle.html
http://www.diariodigital.pt/news.asp?section_id=60 &id_news=64588
Im posting at +2 to make sure they get seen, so modding them up isn't necessary (dont need the karma). There are some serious questions about the guy, both ways, according the googling _I_ did. Don't have an opinion yet... -
Re:InfosocThe irony of them implementing the Infosoc-directive (Euro-DMCA)
But we haven't implemented it (yet)! Where did this misinformation come from?
The good thing about the way the public prosecutors have pushed this case with a very high media profile since day 1, is that it has raised awareness on the issues at stake amongst "ordinary" (non-geek) people. Check out this op-ed commentary (sorry, Norwegian only) in the Norwegian daily Dagbladet for example. I quote (my translation):
"Based on directives from the EU as well as the UN intellectual property organization WIPO, the Ministry of Culture is currently working on implementing new laws for the protection of intellectual property in Norway. The EU Infosoc-directive is very loosely defined, but could open for very strict interpretations, like for example making ripping MP3s from your own CDs illegal, even if only for your own use. DVD-Jon's work in providing a DVD player which lets you skip advertising could also be banned by this (what next, books which can only be read while sitting in sofas made by Ikea?)."
End quote.
The verdict today is not just a great victory for Jon Johansen, and a temporary relief for consumers in Norway, it could seriously impact the way Infosoc is eventually implemented into law here. At least I hope so.
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Security design flaws
We have this discussion in one of the major norwegian newspapers regarding the security of using Outlook as an email client, where the commenter from MS in Norway actually admits to one of the big problems that has existed in Outlook was 'bad design by default'-additions to the program. I suspect that this heavily goes into other MS applications as well. Link to Norwegian Article[Dagbladet.no].
The other thing that I feel is a little interesting is how all these reporters manage to "overlook" the fact that what they describe as 'Linux' is what Linux-users would call a 'Linux Distribution' or 'Linux Platform'. (How many security errors have we seen posted for the Linux kernel the last year?)
But - as previously stated in the article, and actually also by the commenter from MS in the article I refer to earlier, and I quote the MS commenter: "Security is something you achieve by a combination of technology, good routines, and knowledge. (As in good administrators) It is misleading to tell someone that they can just change their OS Platform, or technology, and then they're safe". Quite good comment, for someone from MS ;) -
More translations and other fun opinions :-)The vg.no article earlier mentioned has a quote from one of the people working in the norwegian cs community;
"DVD-Jon won his case in the USA, so its kind of strange that they're starting this here in Norway now. It may be because they want to `put him out there` to scare other people off."
In another article at dagbladet.no there's a quote from "Økokrim" (which is handling the prosecution).
"We want a conviction / judgement"
which may indicate what someone else hinted; that they want a clearification of the law. To quote the indictment (if i got that one right. :); he being prosecuted:
"for breaking a protection or in other ways unauthorized gaining access to data / information stored or transmitted with electronic or other technical means and for having caused damage by acquisition or by use of such unwarranted knowledge."
I'd think to get an conviction in this case, they'll have to prove the fact that he produced (as he said it himself) the GUI for the program - and that this in fact has caused a loss for the movie-industry.
There's a also a quote in the same article from "Jon Bing", which is one of the better known sci-fi writers (well, we really dont have that many) and computer-philosophers in Norway, where he's wondering if they really have anything to convict Jon by. We'll see.
As others also has pointed out, the norwegian "Økokrim" has had several examples of bad judgement the last week, especially the part of making anonymous email illegal, since they discovered that childpr0nrings has been using this as an method. [irony] I'd also suggest making photographic film illegal, since this is what makes it possible. In addition i'd render all sorts of digital cameras unlawful .. and you'd probably get 10-15 years in prison for owning a handycam or DV-cam.[/irony]
Hopefully they'll come to common sense and "discover" that he's not guilty. At least not according to the law he's being charged with. -
More pix can be found here:
Dagbladet 1
Dagbladet 2
Aftenposten 1 - english text with a nice pic.
Aftenposten 2 picture special.
Pages also include some text for those of us who can read Nowegian. -
More pix can be found here:
Dagbladet 1
Dagbladet 2
Aftenposten 1 - english text with a nice pic.
Aftenposten 2 picture special.
Pages also include some text for those of us who can read Nowegian. -
Re:Whatever happend to Jon Johansen?I searched Norwegian news on this. The last I could find was this: Dagbladet 28th of June 2001. A rough translation of title and subtitle goes:
"New [police] interviews of DVD-Jon. One and a half year after the search of DVD-breaker Jon Johansen's home, the police still work on the charges against the 16 year old."
I would certainly enjoy hearing about new developments.
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Re:Barriers to explorationActually, first of all, the radius had been reasonably accurately calculated by several people in Europe as well, much closer to Columbus time, and in fact this was one of the objections that was raised at Salamanca: That he chose to ignore well founded recent calculations. Actually, the more common theory of why he used the wrong number is based on indications that he studied Ptolemy's works on geography, not Erastothenes.
Secondly, the Portuguese were active in parts of the Northern Atlantic in the 1400's, and increasing rapidly thereafter, particularly due to several expeditions searching for a northwest passage. Now, why they would search for that in the shores around Greenland, if they at the time did not have knowledge that America likely stretched far north, is an interesting question.
There are claims concerning Columbus visiting both Greenland and Iceland.
Some claims about Portuguese activity in the North Atlantic can be found here: a message referring to claims about Portuguese slave traders, an article (in Norwegian, unfortunately) referring to theories about Columbus reaching Labrador in 1477, with subsequent Portuguese activity in the Northern regions as a result, a claim that Vatican records tells of a slaving raid in 1418, and information about a possible Portuguese expedition to Greenland around 1479, an article about possible contact between Columbus and Vikings on Iceland, based on memoirs written down by his son.
Much of this is of dubious quality, though, and I'm certainly not judging their quality, but it is an interesting theory whether correct or not.
While brining up more or less weird theories, though, there's a few people that have presented a theory that Columbus was originally Scandinavian, member of an important family with roots in royalty throughout Europe.
Decide for yourself whether to laugh at a funny story, or believe there's something in it. But either way, history from that far back isn't always as straightforward as people tend to think - there are very few parts of history from that time period that is comprehensively documented in trustworthy sources.
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News. Real ones. Seriously!Seriously, I am *so* tired of all of the kids here. Be a bit serious people. Myself, I am Norwegian, and I've seen all the junk the press has written here - made me be uncertain about what I thought about the case at first. But now I know.
How many dozens of oekokrim-email addys isn't it up here? It won't help! It's the film-industry that went against him and the other two who made this programme. The technology wasn't even invented by these 3 guys, Jon even challenge the media now by saying he can show them how to copy the film to the disc without using the ** program. It's not about copyright or breaking the laws, just about playing the film from where you want to, really.
For Norwegian readers, the Norwegian paper Dagbladet actually wrote a more "true" article about the case than most of the other Norwegian papers.. you can find it at http://www.dagbladet.no/nyhe ter/2000/01/26/190256.html . For those of you who want to sign the petition against the treatment of him, go to http://www.nytt.no/dvd . He (Jon Johansen) is also available for asking a question or two on the Norwegian paper VG's page, Thursday 27.01 at 5 pm Norwegian time (gmt +1): http://interaktiv.vg.no/CGI/in tervju/intervju/jonjoh . Send in a question if you feel like it. I feel mostly everything is said. And wish for the best.
What I also is a bit proud of, is that the government of Norway is actually reacting to this case in the Parliament. Erik Solheim from the Norwegian party SV asked in the questioning-hour about the rules we have for the Internet and our policy. The Minister of Culture said she couldn't answer to this case because it is still under investigation. At least, the government knows about it by now.
Laerk [you can find me at EFnet, #ultimat]
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Re:Fundamentals of society... / News. Real ones.lol, I liked the Monty Python one there.
Seriously, I am *so* tired of all of the kids here. Be a bit serious people. Myself, I am Norwegian, and I've seen all the junk the press has written here - made me be uncertain about what I thought first. But I know now.
How many dozens of oekokrim-email addys isn't it up here? It won't help! It's the film-industry that went against him and the other two who made this programme. The technology wasn't even invented by these 3 guys, Jon even challenge the media now by saying he can show them how to copy the film to the disc without using the ** program. It's not about copyright or breaking the laws, just about playing the film from where you want to, really.
For Norwegian readers, the Norwegian paper Dagbladet actually wrote a more "true" article about the case than most of the other Norwegian papers.. you can find it at http://www.dagbladet.no/nyhe ter/2000/01/26/190256.html . For those of you who want to sign the petition against the treatment of him, go to http://www.nytt.no/dvd . He (Jon Johansen) is also available for asking a question or two on the Norwegian paper VG's page, Thursday 27.01 at 5 pm Norwegian time (gmt +1): http://interaktiv.vg.no/CGI/in tervju/intervju/jonjoh . Send in a question if you feel like it. I feel mostly everything is said. And wish for the best.
What I also is a bit proud of, is that the government of Norway is actually reacting to this case in the Parliament. Erik Solheim from the Norwegian party SV asked in the questioning-hour about the rules we have for the Internet and our policy. The Minister of Culture said she couldn't answer to this case because it is still under investigation. At least, the government knows about it by now.
Laerk [you can find me at EFnet, #ultimat]
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Re:Poor EuropeansOK, anyone who still doubts this is for real:
Aftenposten has two articles in Norwegian, and a short summary in English
Dagbladet also carries the story, but doesn't have an English version. They do however have pictures of Winona Ryder and Claudia Schiffer in rather daring dresses, so it's not all bad.
The Norway Post seems to be napping, which is a pity since it's an English-language paper.
Verdens Gang carries the story, again in Norwegian only, but "Jon (16) arrestert" doesn't require much translation.
Stavanger Aftenblad carries it as their lead story.
CNN Norge have it too but it hasn't made it back to CNN HQ yet.
I want to rant about the whole DVD thing (DVDs suck! DVDs suck!!) but I'll save that for another day.