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Hard to trust any government agency that releases any info like this. The military religiously scrutinizes them and edits them "appropriately". Check out http://www.disclosureproject.com/ to see what I mean.

"Not once have they made proper contact and opened a dialogue, or established a visible presence."

How do you know such things?! Are you one of "them"?

Seriously though, consider the prime directive... if a dialogue had been established, do you think they would choose Chester from the West Virginia hills on his pig farm, or an established, secretive authority to handle any contact. I wonder...

And, until you can dismiss every one of these guys and their witness testimony without one ounce of repercussion outside of complete ridicule, then we must consider this case open. In our courts of law, alien visitation would be able to be easily proven, but to the scientist, one that has not read the wealth of highly credible testimony across thousands of texts, it would be extremely difficult to convince. Ergo...

Just because fantastic claims require fantastic proof doesn't make it not true.

http://www.disclosureproject.com/

from The Disclosure Project Witness Testimony

Master Sergeant Dan Morris: US Air Force/ NRO Operative (ret.), September 2000

Dan Morris is a retired Air Force career Master Sergeant who was involved in the extraterrestrial projects for many years. After leaving the Air Force, he was recruited into the super-secret National Reconnaissance Organization, or NRO, during which time he worked specifically on extraterrestrial-connected operations. He had a cosmic top-secret clearance (38 levels above top secret) which, he states, no U.S. president, to his knowledge, has ever held. In his testimony, he talks of assassinations committed by the NSA; he tells how our military deliberately caused the 1947 ET craft crashes near Roswell, and captured one of the ETs, which they kept at Los Alamos for 3 years, until he died. He talks about the intelligence teams that were charged with intimidating, discrediting, and even eliminating witnesses to ET/UFO events. He talks about Germany's re-engineering of UFOs, even prior to WWII. He talks about our current energy crisis -- and the fact that we haven't needed fossil fuels since the 1940s, when free energy technologies were developed -- but have been kept from humanity. This is the real reason for the secrecy of the ET/UFO subject. "What the people in power right now don't want us to know is that this free energy is available to everybody." In conclusion, he warns against the weaponization of space and the shooting down of ET craft -- this could force them to retaliate, and that would be our destruction.

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Assertions: 1. "UFOs" are real, physical objects.

2. They do not use rockets as a means of propulsion.

3. NASA is sort of a joke.

What's a "legitimate video?" Pixar can make almost anything believable, nevermind a silly silver disc flying around in the sky (trivial to make on a home PC with 3dsmax.) What's a "verifiable record?" Many people from all different backgrounds claim to have seen these things. For every backwoods yokel, I can point to an army general or air force pilot.

If this is a real phenomenon (I am not going to speculate on its origins,) what possible evidence would you expect to see that we don't already have tons of now? Say there are flying discs that we didn't make flying around performing impossible feats in the air that the government, for whatever reason, doesn't want you to know about. All you would get are third party accounts, video tapes, and similar things which are out there if you look for more than 2 minutes instead of just saying "bah, couldn't be" and deciding not to. The first website that comes to mind is The Disclosure Project, but there are plenty of books and websites with similar stuff. You have to separate the wheat from the chaff, but it's out there.

You may already be aware, but one of the more interesting things going on at the moment is the Disclosure Project. Hundreds (literally) of military, industrial, and government former insiders have come forward with testimony about what they've seen over the years, about what the government knows, and more. They're all willing to testify under oath, and sign whatever sworn statements are required. They're willing and able to do interviews, and they're all pretty much ignored by the media.

I can pretend I'm utterly enchanted with Dr. Steve Greer, the head of the project. Seems to focus way too much time on conspiracy stuff and unlikely energy source ideas, but all the same the project is worth a look. The witness video DVD is particularly compelling, and is worth the price.

Personally I think much of the UFO blind-spot is a due to institutional inertia and convenience, rather than conspiracy. There's nothing you can DO with UFOs. They don't come when called, they can't be replicated at will, they don't advance your career, they appear to be making an active effort to actually BE confusing, they don't fit into anybody's agenda apart from a few nutballs, and they have the capability of swanning their way through our best security as if it wasn't even there. What's a fellow supposed to do with them? Nothing, forget about it, get back to work. They just aren't of any use to anyone and they are associated with career-killing sarcasm. Just move along.

There are very few areas as totally full of FUD, lies, tinhat loonies, and embarassing fools as UFOlogy. Furthermore the X-Files are over, time has passed, and we've all moved along with our lives to more productive endeavours.

Certainly one of the many things which has been lacking for decades when the notion of government knowledge of the UFO phenomenon comes up is, umm, you know, evidence. Now if, for instance, several hundred government insiders were to come forward with sworn affidavits testifying to their knowledge of the government's involvment in actual alien-linked technology, and with a stated willingness to stand before any government or private body and tell all, the outlook might be a bit different.

Very few people seem to know that this did in fact happen about two years ago. You say you didn't see it on the news? No, you didn't.

I hate to post this as a reply to a loony thread like "crop circles", but I'd be curious about people's opinions of the The Disclosure Project, run by one Dr. Steven Greer (a medical doctor, not a scientist). Just to be clear, I'm no convert, but I my curiosity was certainly at least piqued by the site. And I'm sure as hell not going to risk my professional credibility by posting this as anything other than AC. :)

So 8% in one galaxy time billions of galaxies...sound like good odds to me, even by your broken assumptions.

Sounds like REAL good odds.

I'm not even going to go into the mountain of proof that "they" are and have been visiting us for eons. Just ask the military/government/intelligence whistleblowers who have risked their careers, family, income, etc... for nothing in return but ridicule that they KNEW they were going to recieve. The almost BIGGER story has been the cover-up. Quite impressive.