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France Opens Secret UFO Files
Radon360 notes that France has become the first country to open its files on UFOs. A new website lists over 1600 sightings dating back to the 1950s.
"The online archives, which will be updated as new cases are reported, catalogues in minute detail cases ranging from the easily dismissed to a handful that continue to perplex even hard-nosed scientists.
Known as OVNIs in French, UFOs have always generated intense interest along with countless conspiracy theories about secretive government cover-ups of findings deemed too sensitive or alarming for public consumption."
Je, pour une, bienvenu notre nouvelle ONVI maitre!
Will code for new sig.
Honestly, if the French government though there were UFOs, they wouldn't bother to cover it up, they would just surrender.
"Si vis pacem para bellum" -Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus
Does anyone know the correct link?
Radon360 notes that France has become the first country to open its files on UFOs.
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Because Radon360 is a twat.
May 2006:
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/FreedomOfInform
will the database contain a field on whether or not the aliens looked delicious?
This has been out "en anglias" since 2003 French COMETA Report
Ze truth iz out zere
I wonder if this means that we'll finally find out what happened to SHADO?
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It could mean some secret Russian or American military projects, not the aliens... got it?
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Now, with any luck the rest of the world *cough* USA *cough* will follow suit...
Haha... Good freakin' luck!
If you consider UFO to be what it actually means, that it is an object in the sky for which there is no current explanation, then that's fine. Ball Lightening was a 'UFO' till it was explained.
To believe that these unexplained things are extra terrestrials is a huge leap, and one I would tend to scoff at. Not least because the whole 'flying saucer' and 'greys' crap only appeared in the US during the early cold war, with greys not being named till later.
I will never believe that an advanced race can travel all the way across the inconceivable distance between stars, and be dumb enough to crash. Nor that they would travel that far and buzz people on their own, which is all that has supposedly happened.
Not once have they made proper contact and opened a dialogue, or established a visible presence. That's would be like Christopher Columbus landing in America, blowing a rasberry at a native American, jumping back in his ship and heading home without another word. It's just silly.
Most alien visitation theories read like children's stories, and most 'the aliens operated on me' stories read like early memories of visits to a dentist mixed with sexual fantasies.
And yet I do believe that other life exists, to do otherwise is to be a fool, given the size of the universe.
I do not, however, subscribe to the 'aliens are morons who can't steer a ship, and like to cut on us some from time to time' line of thought.
Why do people keep wanting to babble on about this idiocy? I want them to keep quiet about it - if you have to be a UFO-nut, I am certainly not interested in it.
Sheesh, ACC offered my this planet for a nice quiet vacation, but everywhere I see people babbling about UFOs...
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France surrenders to secret UFO files?
Surprised by the bad translations in the comments, here's a more appropriate one (no, online translation tools are not as good as humans): Je, quant à moi, souhaite la bienvenue à nos nouveaux maîtres OVNIs.
;-)
Additionally, it's not "secoupe volante" pour rather "soucoupe volante" (flying saucer) (see other comment on parent). And if they wanted to be our masters and already made contact, since they would have the technology to reach us, I guess they'd already be our masters. (well, looking at our politicians' behavior, maybe they already are!
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I didnt know people were even listening to the former canadian defense minister. Looks like the first concrete step towards solving global warming! al gore should be happy.
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The French are looking to prosecute any UFOs who aren't using open standards for their communications.
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This has not been out since 2003. You're talking about a report...this is a website FULL of reports, photos, etc.
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Two very different things. RTFA next time before you go karma whoring
I wouldn't say that the French are "the first country" to do this. The Brits seemed to have done something similar months ago by having the Ministry of Defense release all UFO reports it received from 2002-2006 under the Freedom of Information Act. Though I have no links to back me up, I believe Brazil has also freed up its UFO information, or at least is in the process of doing so.
Oh, great. Thanks, France, for giving the Raelians a chance to get some publicity. Bet they won't be long in coming out with some claptrap about this...
You'll have to excuse me for going all tinfoil hat here... but how hard would it be to say "We're releasing all our UFO files!" and only really reveal the ones that won't cause "public panic." I'm usually not the conspiracy theory type, but any time a government says they're releasing "all" the information on something, a part of me wants to cry "bullshit."
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especially you, americans !
you should remember that the freedoms you are enjoying now were put forward in their current forms mostly by french intellectuals in 18th century, matured in this country and then were accepted by your founding fathers and incorporated into your constitution and the consequent revolution. not to mention french aiding you against the british, lafayette and all.
and i dont even need to mention the french revolution, which is the social movement that set the way to the modern civilized society by overthrowing aristocracy not only in france, but in most of europe. it was eventually messed up by a short megalomaniac who is known as napoleon, but eh - revolution still did its thing.
french are ok.
the only problem is that, they hatch on stuff TOO long, only to put the stuff into action in 100-200 year intervals. and then, major things happen. all in the meantime they sleep, ruled by egotistic megalomaniacs.
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Aliens and flying saucers may not exist but anyone who has seen something flying in the sky (bird, airplane or anything else) and cannot identify what it is has seen a UFO. More to the point, many secret "black" aircraft (both projects like the SR71, B2, F117 and U2 that have been revealed already and projects we don't know about) would be considered UFOs to anyone who doesn't know what they are.
All those people who have reported UFO sightings near Area 51 are probably right, they most likely DID see UFOs. Since the prime use of Area 51 is to test secret aircraft in a way that makes sure that no-one finds out about them, most of the air operations out of the base would have appeared as UFOs to anyone except the few people working on whatever top secret project it is.
As to why countries like America have not released their "UFO" files, its more likely to be because said files could contain information about "black" projects (those of the US, those of allied powers and those of enemy powers such as the Russians). Some of those aircraft are still flying (and some may well still be "top secret") and the US probably doesn't want information about aircraft that may still be used now or in the future to be made public.
thank you for posting it
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While I agree that aliens aren't going to master interstellar flight, just to crash on Earth - I also don't think they're going to plow into our own atmosphere willy-nilly without sending probes in or running earth's gravity through their systems to ensure they have the proper equipment to land safely.
Interestingly, if they were sending in probes, it wouldn't be at all surprising if several of them failed.
So we see that the question of: "would little green men crash?" is too narrow. Stepping back, the question becomes: "would anything built by little green men crash?".
Clearly, this is more plausible, and pretty close to likely if little green men were indeed observing us, and launching probes with any regularity.
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I, for one, welcome our UFO overlo...*sees a UFO*..HOLY $#&$"$# !
*scampers and hides*
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The files show that between 1949 and 1972, France surrended a total of 122 times to suspected UFO invaders. There was another incident in which they negotiated a collaboration with alien grays, only to find out they were Basque shepards in ultra-lights, the language difficulty causing the misunderstanding.
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We know that no UFOs have ever visited France because the French would have surrendered to them.
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What this says to me, is that the French government acknowledges the fact that such information contains no threat to national security, contains no secrets, and will cause no panic. Back when we kept our investigations into UFOs confidential, the cold war was going on, and the US government thought that such UFOs could be top-secret Soviet weapons. And the US government could not release what information we have on UFOs, because that would provide the Soviets with information on how much we know about UFOs. By releasing such information to the public, France has done a good thing, and this data could possibly be used for actual science for finding out what exactly are UFOs, and may be a catalyst for other governments to release what they have investigated.
Oh you Americans think that you're the center of the world. Shame on you for thinking that you guys have invented French bashing. The rest of the world was bashing the French far longer than you ever were.
A former governor now says an event in the sky may have been a UFO. CNN's Gary Tuchman reports. (March 22)v ideo/tech/2007/03/22/tuchman.ufo.phoenix.lights.kt vk
http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/
So, do the files indicate how many times the French government tried to surrender to the UFOs?
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
Why would off planet foreigners want anything to do with us. What do we have that they want and cannot get elsewhere? But then why now are people and nations coming forward with this. Yesterday an US Senator, Symington, from New Mexico, and today the French government! What is different? The Senator expanded on the great lightshow over Albuquerque, NM about ten years ago when a wedge shaped craft the size of a city block was witnessed by hundreds of thousands of residents. One would think that this event would have settled the issue once and for all; but unlike the 'X Files', the great mass of us really do not want to believe. This does not have to be an everyday occurance for it to be true...or even a rare occurance. A craft that size would not need to come that close in order to examine us. Look what we can do from space with our present technology. What comes back to us in facts about other planets is grudging and fought by the American authorities. Water found by our satellites is denied less than a week after it is found. Denied by some so called scientist with no integrity and shady credentials that we never heard of before and never will see or hear of again. It is only when it is found again by the European Union and published EVERYWHERE that it begins to lose plausible deniability. It is European and especially Chinese and Russian space programs that are probably blowing the lid of the conspiracy of silence, propaganda and outright persecution that so inappropriately surrounds this issue.e t bases....certain biotech, NOW WOULD THEY? And they would NOT want to keep this secret from us in order to keep from not even be able to be elected as dogcatcher, now would they. For they are all 'honest men and women, are'nt they?!.....ARE THEY???
But then OUR government would not really know that our visitors are probably not the super scientists that they are painted and that they just got lucky in certain relevant propulsion technologies and had access to certain resources. And our course OUR government would not have made some deals with them concerning certain technologies that we were interested in, in eschange for some other 'consideration'.....mates...hosts....food....secr
I didn't realize that submitting a story made me a "twat".
That's great that you brought the fact that the UK government has released some similar information to the public, long before France had done so. Perhaps the reporter of this article should be labelled a "twat" for not researching the topic further and bringing up that point, or at least not make the bold comment about France being the first.
Which brings up another point. If you ever have submitted a story to Slashdot, you'd recognize that the editors tend to take quite a bit of liberty on rewriting the story summaries (for better or worse). I didn't "note" anything...the summary was just rewritten to say I did.
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A former governor now says an event in the sky may have been a UFO. CNN's Gary Tuchman reports. Hey, Arizona! UFO != Flying Saucer with Little Green Men!
UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object. How can you be unsure whether an object is unidentified? Either you've identified it, or you haven't.
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How are we supposed to conduct our search for anything hinting at a new hyperspace bypass?
Slashdot needs to create a new 'France' tag...
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... maybe they just fell asleep at the wheel.
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The GP made an argument, basically saying that France would have been crashed by Nazi Germany no matter what. My argument is that it wasn't anywhere that hopeless. IMHO, even a very small change to history (like military commanders that actually follow orders during a critical battle) could see France showing at least a lot more resistance than what it did historically.
The La Resistance itself is way over-hyped. There were considerably fewer people then originally reported, and many of those were communists that sabotaged the French army in 1940 (but once Hitler attacked the USSR, they changed sides). More important is to see just how many troops the French managed to field after the years of occupation to fight with the allies - quite a lot of people wanted to fight for their country.
On the general issue of cowardice, the French did have a problem in that particular time - but look at the context: A broken country after the terrible World War I and a depression, entering into a war they did not want.
Even a cursory look at the rest of the history (e.g. hundered year war, anyone?) will show the general impression to be completely incorrect. That said, I do enjoy seeing people tease the French, as they are double-dealing arrogant bastards
If I only get a visual, I can not write off the effects of air at different densities causing optical effects to appear, maybe thousands of feet up, reflecting and refracting light from possible far off sources.
In a similar vein, radio amateurs will use anamalous atmospherics which will randomly open up communication windows to far off places and people can open communication links to far off reaches of the world on milliwatts of power ( aka "QRP" ).
When I was a kid, it was fun to sit for hours in front of a little homebrew 1 watt transmitter (made with old radio tubes, no less) and see how far away I could talk to someone, then later we would both exchange postcards (QSL cards) to confirm and serve as proof the communication occurred. We collected these cards much like a baseball enthusiasts collect baseball cards. It was a bragging point to have a wall full of cards from people all over the world, that you talked to ( often just long enough to exchange QSL information before your link died ) to show your friends.
Ahhh, so much for the 50's, and early 60's.
The fun died for me when all the manufacturers got into the game and the whole thing began to hinge on wealth instead of creativity.
Anwyay, I digress... We all know that air of different temperatures abutting can cause weird optical effects, and before I go off claiming some entity traveled light years to get here, I had better be damned sure what I was seeing wasn't air pockets of different temperatures optically mimicking a giant mirror/lens that was giving me the optical illusion of something in the sky which is really something else on the ground, far far away.
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I would choose Votez pour le parent
because in French you vote for something, this is impliclty up as in English. The term parent might be kept as is even if non-geeks might be a bit disoriented (but who reads /. excepts (potentially francophone) geeks?
You are thinking too human-centric.
Consider the following possibility. . .
Aliens exist in a higher state of reality than we can perceive; that is, they are with us right now, all the time. They function and exist in a state where time does not exist for them in the same way it does for us. That is, the thousands of UFO reports are not of nuts and bolts technology, but of bits of reality poking through into ours.
Second. . . What if these aliens are to us what we are to cows. That they are here to eat us. What if they consume the energy from negative emotions such as fear and pain. This would explain our high population, our constant state of screwed up religion, war and general suffering around the globe. It also explains our media's and our education system's aversion of looking at sciences which would help explain the alien presence. That of being living on the "spirit plane", (so to speak). Of chi and magic in general.
This explanation, as distasteful as it sounds, nonetheless answers all the puzzles presented to us be the short-sighted Carl Sagans of the world. Sci-fi wants us to think in terms of other humans from space. It doesn't look at the idea that aliens are far more intelligent and have no interest in communicating with us beyond manipulation and control.
Look at our cattle industry. --We breed an entire race of animals totally controlled for our consumption. Aliens need to eat too.
As above, so below.
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And everybody still talks about "aliens" thirty five years later.
My personal theory is based on two simple facts: evolution and the inevitability of nanotechnology. My theory is that UFOs are merely Transhumans who arose from a species (proto-human, probably, given the number of different proto-humans running around) on this planet which got intelligent marginally faster than the species that ended up being human. They got technology first, they got nanotechnology first, and did all this probably before humans got written civilization (you'd only need a thousand years or so head start, maybe less - a blink of an eye in historical and evolutionary terms). The nanotech enabled them to leapfrog technologically thousands, scores of thousands, hundreds of thousands, or even millions of years into the future technologically over the last ten or twenty thousand years of human cultural development.
At this point, they literally could be everywhere here and be doing anything, and we wouldn't know about it - except for the oddball events we call "UFO"s, They could have the technology to edit all human perceptions in realtime, and we'd never know it. As Professor Michio Kaku once said, humans would be like an ant colony living next to a superhighway - the ability to perceive the situation just isn't there.
It's like the Oracle said in "Matrix: Reloaded": "Anytime you've heard stories about vampires, werewolves or aliens, it was some program doing what it's not supposed to."
Even with Drexler's level of nanootech (let alone the possibilities of speculative femtotech or picotech), Transhumans could imbed a Pentium-level processor in every cell in the human body (trillions) which operate as one massive parallel system which could control every perception and reaction of the human brain. In fact, nothing would stop them embedding such processors controlling Drexler's little "cellular robots" into EVERYTHING on the planet - giving them total control of the entire environment humans exist in.
"The Matrix" ain't squat compared to that capability.
Personally I doubt Transhumans would bother. It's merely a speculation to make the point that a Transhuman species with sufficiently ubiquitous nanotechnology and the advanced physics resulting from that capability of accelerated technological development basically could easily behave in a manner that would explain the UFO phenomena and a lot more oddball phenomena besides.
The "alien" explanation is a result of lack of imagination, nothing more. Especially if you believe that the speed of light limits interstellar travel (which I don't, but many UFO skeptics do).
What I think is really happening here is: we're not the top of the food chain. They are. And we're lucky because if they wanted to, they could exterminate the human species in hours.
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Zees morning, UFO lands in Paris outside Montmartre. Leetle green hommes, they ask to be taken to leader. Unfortunately, zey ask Sartre. Jean Paul he says there ees no such thing as leader, "leader" ees fantasy we are creating to deny zee eesential notheengness of our absurd lives. Green hommes ees crushed. They get back in ship. Bon voyage, mes amis.
...just reminds me of that brilliant game Xcom!
SIPRI has data on weapon sales to Iraq. Note how long the list of French weapons sent to Iraq, and how it lasted after the U.S. stopped selling weapons.
No that was home-built. Chemical weapons are unfortunately very simple and easy to create.
Which explains their economic interest - they couldn't hope to collect the debts if Saddam fell.
Negative emotions are certainly tied to behavioral mechanisms, but they nonetheless have an energetic quality. This is not human-centric. It's life-centric. Since aliens are also alive, it's a common denominator which we share with them. Our technology and perceived limits of physical reality are not. The original poster was making a false assumption with regard to this.
And then you go on to complain about how media and schools have an aversion to science while posting gibberish which flies in the face of every even slightly credible scientific worldview.
You only think I'm talking gibberish because you happen to be ignorant. Your concept of a 'credible scientific worldview' is limited by the media you watch and the education you received. Circular logic, I know, however it also happens to be correct.
I could go an and refute every single one of your points in detail, but I bet you are not in it for discussion, judging by your casual dismissal of Carl Sagan.
You could try, but seeing as you still believe in the orthodox explanation of reality, it means you probably don't know how to challenge conventional thinking and thus have little in the arsenal of your mind beyond the regular canned nonsense most sleepers come pre-installed with. For instance. . . Carl Sagan is an astrophysicist. Why do you believe this gives him any authority in the matter of UFOs? What does stellar chemistry and gravity modeling have to do with understanding alien intent?
-FL