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It seems that the government does a fantastic job of eventually telling on itself. There is really no reason to not trust what they have said on this issue.

BS! The US government has a history of doing horrible things, some of which have taken many years before coming out. For instance did you know that it was government policy of the Bureau of Indian Affairs to forcibly Native American Indian women? This went on for many years. Or that the military used Blacks to do medical experiments on diseases like syphilis in Tuskegee which lasted 40 years, and only ended when it came to light what was being done? Not only that but Bush reclassified a lot of documents Clinton released, and you really believe everyone will find out what the Bush admin does?

3. The golden rule is universal - Please provide a few pieces of evidence for this. I don't believe your assertion.

The Dogon, a tribe in West Africa, are believed to be of Egyptian descent. After living in Libya for a time, they settled in Mali, West Africa, bringing with them astronomy legends dating from before 3200 BCE. In the late 1940s, four of their priests told two French anthropologists of a secret Dogon myths about the star Sirius (8.6 light years from the earth). The priests said that Sirius had a companion star that was invisible to the human eye. They also stated that the star moved in a 50-year elliptical orbit around Sirius, that it was small and incredibly heavy, and that it rotated on its axis.

All these things happen to be true. But what makes this so remarkable is that the companion star of Sirius, called Sirius B, was first photographed in 1970. While people began to suspect its existence around 1844, it was not seen through a telescope until 1862 -- and even then its great density was not known or understood until the early decades of the twentieth century. The Dogon beliefs, on the other hand, were supposedly thousands of years old.

http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/thalass2.htm

Yes, and they recruit and draft for it, and have full carpet bombs and everything. The definition of war, by US standards, is when Congress declares it.

Newspeak, eh ?-)

You do realize that yours is an utterly ridicilous argument, don't you ? The definition of war in common language is a conflict between large armed forces, which certainly fit Vietnam.

I'd imagine, that had the USSR launched a nuclear attack during the cold war, you'd have called that a war, even before your congress got around to formally deciding that.

We lost a 'police action' trying to keep democracy in a nation. We didn't lose our homeland to an invading force.

You got involved in a foreign war, performed various atrocities and war crimes, lost to an inferior force, abandoned your allies and escaped. Are you really arguing that this was less shamefull than fighting against a superior invasion army to save one's homeland and losing ?

The joke would be funnier if it wasn't told every time someone mentions France.

Sorta like when linux and bugs and viruses are mentioned when a Microsoft story is mentioned? You don't seem to mind that...

What does spreading information about current computer security threats have to do with retelling the same tired joke for 60 years ?

The thing is, most Microsoft jokes are actually quite accurate - Microsoft products are, generally speaking, buggy and very vulnerable to viruses, whereas Linux is neither. Microsofts business ethics also seem to be somewhat lacking, as evidenced by the conviction of abuse of monopoly by your own justice system.

On the other hand, twisting 60 year old history time and again just because you can't think of any new jokes is annoying. Especially since it gets invariably modded to +5 Funny.

Or is this some kind of misguided patriotic anger at France, because it was smart enough to stay out of Iraq ?

Great flood stories exist across many, many different cultures. This url does a good summary of a bunch of them:

http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/titania.htm

What about the greek Antikythera Device estimated to have been built in 82 B.C.? That's a lot older than Charles Babbage!

=Smidge=

Abraham Lincoln

(Nov. 21, 1864 letter to Col. William F. Elkins)

I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned, and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.

http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/hyperion.htm#ABE

Or a sphere, floating in the air...

Brings a whole new meaning to the term, Bernoulli Drive.

...While I'm on the subject, an example that you see here frequently is the use of "xtian" and "fundie". I'm neither an xtian nor a fundie, but I find that sort of gratuitous nastiness distasteful. It only makes me think less of the person who uses it, not the person it's directed at.

Me too, I agree entirely, you betcha. "IXTHUS," Greek for "fish," is an acronym and an excellent multi-level pun (cf. Mark 1:17, Matthew 4:19) nearly two millenia old, which, expanded, spells out "Iesus Christos Theu Uios Soter," or in English "Jesus Christ Son of God Savior".

Now whenever I see someone with one of them cute lil' "IXTHUS" fishies glued to the rear end of their car, I immediately think, "Whoo-ee! What a vicious atheist, gratuitously insulting the world's billion-plus Christians with that ugly one-letter abbreviation for 'Christ'".

Yeah buddy, yours WDK - WKiernan@concentric.net

ps: animated fish .GIF courtesy of this web page...

Ancient Sumerian culture have this additional wandering member of our solar system etched into 7000 year old tablets from Eridu -- as were all other recently discovered planetary members up until this century when Pluto? was found.

This is what Zechariah Sitchin introduced into our contemoporary society as Planet X a couple of decades ago. His theory based on ancient Akkadian translations is that the planet orbits the Sun on a different elipse to the remainder of the planets and contrary to current findings passes our earth every 2400 years. Unfortunately we're going to miss out by a couple of hundred years...

These theories and more are fundamental in universal creation myths as humans being the genetic product of a scientific fusion between Nefilim [Planet X locals and hominids].

It's God Jim but not as we know it.