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Here's what the accepted answer at expert sex change says (in case anyone is interested):

PresidentUTA Accepted Solution on 2001-11-03 at 18:47:09 ID: 6616667

Well their is a way to scramble the code so it doesnt make much sense, you can find that little nifty script / prgm at - http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dy... - Not to bad, combine this with the click disabler mentioned above and you are set

Not much of an expert if you ask me.

I ask because there are whole sites ( http://www.dynamicdrive.com/ ) that provide many more examples along with compatibility information. There are also huge sites with tutorials about developing your own scripts.

So why choose this seemingly random PAGE that offers (as far as I can tell) nothing new?

Basically, this guy uses Ajax to download the list of images from the server, then uses DHTML to move them around the page.

Whoop-dee-do. It's like something that could have been done in 2000.

This is the stupidest example of Ajax I have ever seen. You use Ajax asynchronously to fetch ocuments on demand in order to reduce page reloads - you don't use it to download a 1kb list of images from the server you will only be using once during that page load.

Ajax is a useful technology (I use it often), but this article is a horrible example of it. It saves you nothing here - he could have just had the image list inline in the page and the user would see no difference.

The whole rest of the article is just DHTML, of which you could get much better examples at Dynamic Drive or any of another dozen sites.

1) What does MS know about preventing spyware aside from charging extra for it in an upcoming newly released service?

2) $1mil fine is not sufficient. Its still very profitable to break into a computer and steal over a million dollars worth of information.

From the real FA that does not allow copy and pasting from their website via a DRM like mechanism, documented here:


* Disable select-text script- © Dynamic Drive (www.dynamicdrive.com)
* This notice MUST stay intact for legal use
* Visit http://www.dynamicdrive.com/ for full source code
*/

I can still grab the text via the source, so here's the gem:

If you click that "accept" button on the routine user's agreement, the proposed law would allow any company from whom you bought upgradable software the freedom to come onto your computer for "detection or prevention of the unauthorized use of or fraudulent or other illegal activities in connection with a network, service, or computer software, including scanning for and removing computer software prescribed under this act."

So, all you have to do is ask the user to install spyware. Shouldn't be too tough.

Good law!

I always use Dynamic Drive as a repository of useful DHTML scripts, including slide-show scripts that work with multiple browsers.

We need to be developing software that has an interface that is initially simple, but can be more complex if needed.

Slashdot is a pretty good example of this (no I'm not using it as a way to be moderated up). Initially you can simply use it for information gathering. Everything recent is one one page, the left hand column has the basic method of reducing the mount of information into simplified "Sections". As you may know, (or maybe not you may be a new reader here) you can reduce the amount of useless information by creating a login, and setting your preferences to see the information you want on the main page and limiting the comments you see on articles to those (for example) moderated level 3 and above. If you want to get more complex, try responding to articles and getting modded up. If you want more complex try getting submissions published!

Another example I have seen recently is Adobe Photoshop Elements which is picture editing software. I use primarily the first 4 menus of this software for my photos. My brother, an artist and an owner of the full version of Photoshop, used the first 4 and remaining menus when building the graphics for his website that I maintain on my computer. The simple items are near the front (to the left) and the more complex items are to the back.

A more embarassing example was when I had my Non-techie wife testing a new version of my brother's website I was building. I had put in some fancy Javascript tricks I found at Dynamic Drive to bring up larger pictures of the thumbnails within the same window to "simplify" the user experience. When she used these pages, she found them more complex and less useable because they were inconsistent within the realm of a web page. Needless to say I ended up ripping out all of the Javascript and creating 40 new pages to simplify the interface. My even less technical mother approved of the new site with the Javascript removed.

http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex17/stickyn ote.htm

Gradual highlighting in action, though written in javascript and geared more towards web usage...Though I'm going out on a limb here as I havn't RTFPA
http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex17/stickyn ote.htm

"Try right-clicking on this page or this page."

HAH! I LEFT click via iCab and bring up a contextual menu that allows me to save the images.

I might just whip up a quick web page with all the capturesd stuff and emailing those suckers the URL.

BTW, IE for the Mac is also invunerable to their pussy jscripts!

PH34R MY 1337 8r0wz3r skillz! WooT!

"Thankfully, it's the rare person who thinks that this actually protects anything, so it's not very widespread."

Indeed! If you don't want it copied, don't put it on the Internet. Simple as that.

"Try right-clicking on this page or this page."

HAH! I LEFT click via iCab and bring up a contextual menu that allows me to save the images.

I might just whip up a quick web page with all the capturesd stuff and emailing those suckers the URL.

BTW, IE for the Mac is also invunerable to their pussy jscripts!

PH34R MY 1337 8r0wz3r skillz! WooT!

"Thankfully, it's the rare person who thinks that this actually protects anything, so it's not very widespread."

Indeed! If you don't want it copied, don't put it on the Internet. Simple as that.

Thankfully, it's the rare person who thinks that this actually protects anything, so it's not very widespread.

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Thankfully, it's the rare person who thinks that this actually protects anything, so it's not very widespread.

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Second, their code to disable right-clicks is lifted from DynamicDrive, comments and all. It's not like they have any new technology.

Third, calling someone a thief may be libel. It's hard to prove libel in the US, but falsely accusing someone of a criminal offense usually does do it.

Anybody actually seen ads like this in real use?
Without software that filters Javascript good enough, these could be really annoying, as they "force" you to look at the ad before the site, without any redirects.

http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex11/dhtmlad .htm

An even better way to fold it into your company's codebase if you are too lazy to do it yourself is to go get one of the many free (like totally free, do whatever you want with them) DHTML menu scripts from DynamicDrive, many of which I have seen have many more features than this one.

In anticipation of all the posts regarding the stupidity of charging for the code here's another site where all they require is a little copyright message in your code - Dynamic Drive.

Great, as if feeding my two kids is not enough, now I have to feed the monitor as well.

I posted this ealier but was a bit vociferous, here's a calmer version of my earlier post:

The article is belaboring something that has been a fact of web development for at least the past year or two. Both browsers have had things that only work on only their platform for years. Anyone remember BLINK and MARQUEE? How about javascript? They use different DOMs so different code has to be used to do the same thing. Sites like Dynamic Drive have been seperating their scripts into IE-only and Netscape only for as long as I've been going there.

Netscape has been flouting standards for as long than MSFT with their proprietary LAYER tag and inventing Javascript. Frankly as at now (but not for long with Mozilla in the works) MSIE supports more of CSS1 than Netscape for proof of this check out this page and use this image as a reference. In MSIE it renders with few flaws while in Netscape it looks like a Picasso. The problem is therefore not with MSIE's support of CSS1 standards at least not now.

The problem is that MSFT's proprietary additions to their browser such as the XML parser built into the browser which is available for scripting and others are so tempting to developers that they ignore the fact that these things work only on IE and rationalize (if you can call it that) this away with "Most people use IE." The fact that W3C takes a long time to ratify standards has not helped this either. PS: For all those who do not realize how long both browsers have been incompatible and flouting standards read Dynamic Html : The Definitive Reference by Danny Goodman for an informative read.

PS: The above post is very correct, MSFT doesn't force websites to use it's proprietary additions or to script only for IE, bad web developers do this. If people didn't use the IE specific things in the browser for websites on the world wide web (as opposed to a local intranet were such things can be mandated) then this would not be an issue. Web developers are more to blame for the browser segregation than MSFT.
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Thanks. But I'm confused: The Layer-tags that I use should not confuse the browser, if it can handle the examples on http://www.dynamicdrive.com/. I fact, I use this one mouse-trailor script that I found somewhere else, but now I found out that it's also on dynamicdrive.com. If you say that konquerer can handle the scripts on dynamicdrive.com, then I don't know why it wouldn't be able to handle mine...

If you see the page in NS or IE (>4.0) and view the source, you see that both versions handle the layers well...

How does Konquerer handle layers and DHTML? It says that it supports JavaScript standards, but how does it display pages that rely heavily on DHTML (like my own (http://www.netmeister.org) or anything from http://www.dynamicdrive.com/)?

A few helpful sites:

• Dynamic Drive
• DHTML Guru
• Dynamic Duo (cross-browser DHTML API)

My main gripe, I guess, its lack of support for DHTML. Layer support is one thing, but being able to do something with them is always nice. Take a look at Dynamic Drive and see how many of the DHTML scripts you can get to run.

If you get more than one, I'll be amazed.

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John
Dynamicdrive.com DHTML scripts and code

I just downloaded a beta copy of NS 6, and noticed that it has trouble rendering most of the DHTML scripts currently out there. For example, I used NS 6 to go to the DHTML code library Dynamic Drive, and virtually no scripts there work in NS 6. I hope that changes when NS 6 officially comes out, or else I'm ditching it for good.