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Amer. Dietetics Conf vs Ancestral Health Symposium
During 2011 I was able to attend many health related conferences around the country in addition to the NAMA, National Automatic Merchandising Association (aka Vending Machines) conference. While at the NAMA it is no surprise I was surrounded by Coca-Cola, Pepsi, Kraft, Mars and a host of other related companies that make food like products. It was also of no surprise that most of the people were over weight and looked unhealthy.
Then I got to attend the Ancestral Health Symposium. Major difference, people were talking about eating food our ancestors would have eaten and getting back to the basics. Reducing our sugar intake, lower our consumption of processed foods and getting more information about what we are really putting in our bodies. Some people were overweight, but the majority of people there looked like they cared about their overall health.
Last I got to attend the ADA conference. This is a huge conference in San Diego where all the Dietitians go to get some of their continuing education credits and current health information. Who was there?!? Coca-Cola, Pepsi, Kraft, Mars and a host of other related companies that make food like products. It was so sad for me to see. So much became clear to me over the course of that weekend.
I would much rather give my money to Steve Cooksey for his advise, or to support his legal fees, than to most of the Dietitians I met at the ADA.
NAMA: http://www.vending.org/
Ancestral Health Symposium: http://ancestryfoundation.org/
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Re:Vegan mums today.
well, if you must have scientific study, you can start with this list. or, if you want to go beyond just the "family and children" category into general veganism, you can go up a level. the articles seem to focus on how a plant-based diet avoids many of the common childhood health problems, particularly obesity.
there's also this series of blog posts by a physician who is trying to evaluate all the scientific publications on the topic of vegan pregnancy out there. the basic takeaway in 10 different categories reviewed so far is that a well-planned vegan pregnancy is safe. while it does rely on supplements, a quick googling seems to indicate taking supplements is recommended for non-vegan pregnancies as well.
there's also this, which also relies on supplements, but the same source recommends all pregnant women take supplements and, again, i don't think they're unique in this regard.
there's also this already-quoted-and-bashed-below article from the american dietetic association. -
Re:Malnutrition
I'll just leave this here. The much publicized cases you're thinking of are parents starving their children and then trying to blame it on veganism, not children just spontaneously dropping dead because vegan diets are inadequate (they aren't).
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Answer to various posts above
It's amazing what hostility I am seeing for suggesting that people merely think about the consequences of their diet.
Here's what the American Dietetic Association ("the world's largest organization of food and nutrition professionals") has to say:
It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life-cycle including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood and adolescence and for athletes."
And more specifically:
Vegetarian diets are often associated with health advantages including lower blood cholesterol levels, lower risk of heart disease, lower blood pressure levels and lower risk of hypertension and type 2 diabetes, according to ADA's position. "Vegetarians tend to have a lower body mass index and lower overall cancer rates. Vegetarian diets tend to be lower in saturated fat and cholesterol and have higher levels of dietary fiber, magnesium and potassium, vitamins C and E, folate, carotenoids, flavonoids and other phytochemicals. These nutritional differences may explain some of the health advantages of those following a varied, balanced vegetarian diet."
I have no doubt that we are omnivores by nature. Also, by nature, we should die of old age in our 30s. I don't care what is "atural." I am just talking about giving some thought to the quantitiy of meat in the average diet.
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Re:That's disgustingHow about this position paper from the ADA, based on dozens of scientific papers? Let me excerpt it for you:
It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.
I've personally met vegan children who are perfectly normal, well-developed and healthy. There are healthy adults living today who have spent their entire lives vegan. Vegans compete and win in international athletics competitions (Carl Lewis, anyone? The guy won a gold medal in sprinting on a vegan diet), and you honestly expect me to believe that their growth is stunted? Whether a Vegan diet is healthy isn't even an issue any more, at least not for people who bother to educate themselves from reliable sources, instead of parroting the same uncited crap that gets repeated ad nauseum.
Please, stop spewing your pseudoscientific nonsense: this isn't the 40's, and now we have actual data about these issues that doesn't come from the meat industry's PR department. -
Re:AndRead the source, not just its title. On page 1269 they say the following:
Well-planned vegan, lacto-vegetarian, and lacto-ovo-vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy and lactation. Appropriately planned vegan, lacto-vegetarian, and lacto-ovo-vegetarian diets satisfy nutrient needs of infants, children, and adolescents and promote normal growth (49-51).
(Emphasis mine)
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Re:Pyrolysis may be more usefulI'm guessing that your classmates probably didn't eat enough, or eat well enough. I've been vegetarian for 20 years, and I'm a 195-pound endurance athlete (long-distance runner/cyclist.) There are less calories (and a lot less fat) in meat substitutes, so if you don't up your intake, you could lose weight. For some people, that's a good thing, and for others, it's a bad thing. There's nothing magical about animal foods, though - there are no necessary nutrients that are found in meat that can't be found in plant foods. As stated in this press release...
It is the position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.
Now of course, if you don't eat enough, or eat nothing but junk food, you're going to be in trouble... but that's true no matter if you're vegetarian or not. If you take a standard meat-eater's diet and cut the meat out of it, you probably aren't going to be left with enough to live on. But if you follow sound nutritional principles and eat more vegetables, you'll probably be better off.
BTW, there are two things that most doctors will tell almost everyone they need more of: water, and vegetables. Drink as much water as you can, and eat a good variety of as many nutritious vegetables as you can, and your health will improve. This is true whether or not you eat meat. And if you're going to go vegetarian, don't just cut the meat out of your diet... start eating more things that are good for you instead. -
Re:Why are they obese?Research is showing that fructose short circuits the body's normal hunger response. Where it would normally say, "That's enough" it instead makes you continue to be hungry. No one can say that the food manufacturers knowingly did this but if you were a large company that is only worried about your stock value and you could add a completely legal and unregulated ingredient that makes things sweeter while insuring that people stayed hungry while they were stuffing their pie holes, would you do it?
Hmmmm... Nope, that's not right. Stop spewing this crap.
High fructose corn syrup is just sugar. Standard cane sugar (such as the stuff we import from Puerto Rico) is sucrose: each molecule of sucrose has one molecule of fructose and one molecule of glucose. The molecule is broken down in the stomach to fructose and glucose, resulting in a 50% mixture of each during absorption into the bloodstream, which happens in the small intestine. High fructose corn syrup comes in several forms, the two most common of which are HFCS 55 (55% fructose and 45% glucose - used in soft drinks) and HFCS 42 (42% fructose and 58% glucose - used in baked goods). In HFCS, the fructose and glucose exist as separate molecules, so the breakdown step in the stomach is not necessary.
The obesity epidemic started around the same time as the soft drink explosion not because the drinks contained HCFS, but because the drinks added extra calories per day to the average American diet. This caloric increase accounts for the vast majority of the obesity trend, and would have occurred whether those extra calories were from HFCS or from standard sugar.
A high concentration of sugar in your diet will mess with your metabolism, but not because fructose "short circuits the body's normal hunger response." That's pseudoscience. Sugar does not provide any nutrients, so a diet high in sugar will not leave you feeling sated for as long, thus causing you to eat more and more often.
Fructose is not evil--in fact, it is present in every piece of fruit you eat. Place the blame for the obesity epidemic where it belongs: on the extra empty calories we eat every day. It doesn't matter whether those calories are from HFCS or from cane sugar.
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As a footnote: using terms such as "hmmmm...." or "think about it" at the conclusion of an argument should always be translated as "I have absolutely no proof to back up my claim and will thus allow your imagination to create proof out of nothingness for me." -
Re:Big Suprise
[ whether things are necessities... ]
Nor is steak(or any meat for that matter)
Hardly. A pure carb diet is very unhealthy, and a great ticket to obesity and diabetes.
I'm highly skeptical of that claim. I've never seen any evidence that avoiding meat causes weight gain. From what I can dig up, apparently being a vegan not only does not cause diabetes, it's actually an effective treatment for diabetes. Oh yeah, and vegetarianism is a treatment for obesity. Read this summary from the American Dietetic Association and see if you can find any evidence in it that abstaining from meat results in weight gain. Also, my sister is the only one in my family who is a vegetarian, and guess what: she's also the only one who isn't overweight. (Yes, I'm overweight. Not by a lot, but I am.) I've seen a few overweight vegetarians, but honestly, being overweight is less common from my experience, and apparently studies agree with that.
Eating meat is simply not necessary to maintain a healthy weight. Eat a reasonable, healthy diet with reasonable portions, and exercise some, and you should be fine. If you have a medical problem, that's different and you may need to spend some cash to pay for a special diet, but for most people with weight problems, the cause is behavioral and not medical. Many forms of exercise are free, and eating reasonable portions instead of overeating would actually save you money.
Also, for what it's worth, there isn't really any reason you can't have a little meat and still eat for very cheap. Buy meat in bulk and go for the cheap cuts of meat, and you can get the prices down under $1.00/lb sometimes. In fact, in general, you can eat pretty healthy for pretty cheap. For example, try pricing skim milk compared to 2% or whole milk sometime. The skim milk is cheaper. The real reason most people spend too much on food is that they're going for convenience foods, which are often double or triple the price.
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Re:Kentucky Fried Chicken
A balanced diet consists of meat, period.
uuuummm.... no.
you, sir are ignorant of basic nutrion, period.
I say this based on statements by the ADA, such as :
"The American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada agree that vegetarian eating plans are healthful, nutritionally adequate and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. "
http://www.eatright.org/Public/index_19963.cfm
So, not only does a balanced diet *not* require meat, an optimal diet would not have it.
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Re:one word...Considering that tofu is nutritionally inadequate (there are essential proteins that you just can't get from vegetable sources)
You need to learn more about nutrition!
Try reading the American Dietetic Associations paper
Vegetarian Diets -- Position of ADA
Here is a quote from the paper
It is the position of The American Dietetic Association (ADA) that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, are nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.
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Trying to get the facts out on biotechnology.That site sure as hell IS biased. Just to quote one single sentance : The trials have been dismissed as a "scientific farce" by Friends of the Earth, because they "amount to 'creeping commercialisation'" There are two things wrong with the above statement that are immediately obvious. First, Friends of the Earth is NOT a scientific organization, and therefore is not qualified to comment on whether crop trials are "scientific" or not. The fact that this site cites Friends of the Earth as a scientific source should set of alarm bells immediately. Second, the stated reason for why Friends of the Earth considers these crop trials unscientific is that they are commercial. This is utter propaganda. The safety or lack thereof of genetically modified organisms depends upon the characteristics of the plant involved, not on the motives of the people who may be interested in selling it. Thats like saying that if I give you apple juice for a dollar, it must be unsafe, but if I give you arsenic for free, it's gotta be safe, because hell, I'm not making a profit! The campaign of fear currently being waged against genetically engineered foods is anti-intellectual and pseudo-scientific in the extreme, and I am suprized to find beleivers in it posting on slashdot, of all places. In the words of GreenPeace FOUNDER Patrick Moore: "the campaign of fear now being waged against genetic modification is based largely on fantasy and a complete lack of respect for science and logic." www.agbioworld.org Try THESE sites for a little unbiased information, just for starters. List of links to statements by Scientific (non-industry) sources in regards to genetally modified foods.
American Society for MicroBiology
The ASM believes that labeling on the basis of process is not scientifically warranted. Genetic modification has long been used to enhance the production of plants and animals for food. Indeed it is doubtful that there exists any agriculturally important product that can be labeled as not genetically modified by traditional breeding procedures or otherwise. Biotechnology as practiced in agriculture today is part of a continuum of ever more refined attempts to breed better plants and animals for food or show.American Society for Cell Biology
Many individuals and groups have raised concerns about the safety of transgenic BT crops despite the fact that the bacteria that naturally produce BT have been applied directly to crops as a form of organic pest control for over 40 years. Transgenic BT crops have passed rigorous testing in the US, Canada, and Japan, and they have been found to pose no threat to other insects, animals, or humans. The primary alternative to BT is large-scale spraying of pesticides which kills both beneficial and harmful insects and has other negative environmental consequences.National Academy of Sciences
http://www.nap.edu/books/0309069300/html/Since the National Academy of Sciences is the nations premier scientific organization, they best represent the current scientific consensus in the field, so I will quote from their report, first stated in a 1987 white paper and reitterated April 2000:
American Medical Association- There is no evidence that unique hazards exist either in the use of rDNA techniques or in the movement of genes between unrelated organisms.
- The risks associated with the introduction of rDNA-engineered organisms are the same in kind as those associated with the introduction of unmodified organisms and organisms modified by other methods.
- Assesment of the risks of introducing rDNA-engineered organisms into the environment should be based on the nature of the organism and the environment into which it is introduced, not on the method by which it was produced.
There is no scientific justification for special labeling of genetically modified foods, as a class, and voluntary labeling is without value unless it is accompanied by focused consumer education.
American Dietetic Association
Society for In-Vitro Biology
American Society of Plant Physiologists
You'll note that ASPP treats the issue as self-evident that there is nothing especially dangerous about transgenic crops, as their page acts as a resource and communication site for scientists interested in countering anti-GMO propaganda. This shows just how strong the consensus on this issue is within the scientific community. Very, very few scientists seriously think that genetic engineering is inherently unsafe. Those who do are less common than creationist biologists
Univeristy of California - Biotechnology Working Group
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